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If you follow Jesus, He teaches you the underlying meanings (This is as He does in the sermon on the mount for example.), and intercedes for the grace for you to do them. You wind up following the commandments eventually this way more quickly than you try to follow them as commandments under the old law. That's why I said you end up obeying them. This is the sense in which you can "not go by" them, and that is what you are asking. In either event it is a process, and at any given time, we do fail in some way.
Another way to say it, is that if you are following Jesus, the 10 commandments are no more than an old framework for some of the things He will teach you (I think the technical term is prefigurement). As a follower of Jesus this old framework is no more than a checklist of what the work of grace is already doing in you. So you "go by" them as a checklist, but not as a rule of life, because you are now following a more excellent way that includes the former.
Another way to say it, is that if you are following Jesus, the 10 commandments are no more than an old framework for some of the things He will teach you (I think the technical term is prefigurement). As a follower of Jesus this old framework is no more than a checklist of what the work of grace is already doing in you. So you "go by" them as a checklist, but not as a rule of life, because you are now following a more excellent way that includes the former.
Yes, the Holy Spirit definitely leads us into Christ-like living...even after our failures.
We will not be 'perfect' on earth...but it is the amount of desire in our hearts to be perfect that enables the Holy Spirit to work in us. He doesn't force Himself on anyone. In Heaven, we will be made totally new...hallelujah!
Jesus repeated most of the 10 commandments in the New Testament, giving validation to them. The ceremonial law is done away with but the moral law remains. Meeting on the Sabbath originally meant Saturday, but since Christ arose on a Sunday, Christians worship on Sunday. The main thing is setting aside one day of the week that belongs completely to God.
One thing that Jesus criticized the teachers of the Law of was 'being white-washed tombs'...they looked good on the outside with all their outward show, but were like dead men on the inside. They missed 'the spirit of the law' and chose man-made rituals instead. May we all grow in the Spirit
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We will not be 'perfect' on earth...but it is the amount of desire in our hearts to be perfect that enables the Holy Spirit to work in us. He doesn't force Himself on anyone. In Heaven, we will be made totally new...hallelujah!
Jesus repeated most of the 10 commandments in the New Testament, giving validation to them. The ceremonial law is done away with but the moral law remains. Meeting on the Sabbath originally meant Saturday, but since Christ arose on a Sunday, Christians worship on Sunday. The main thing is setting aside one day of the week that belongs completely to God.
One thing that Jesus criticized the teachers of the Law of was 'being white-washed tombs'...they looked good on the outside with all their outward show, but were like dead men on the inside. They missed 'the spirit of the law' and chose man-made rituals instead. May we all grow in the Spirit
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Well said Kenisyes,
To walk outside the commandments of God means that we are walking in the flesh and when we walk in the flesh we cannot please God.
[h=1]Romans 3:19–26[/h]19 Now we know that whatever vthe law says it speaks to those who are under the law, wso that every mouth may be stopped, and xthe whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For yby works of the law no human being3 will be justified in his sight, since zthrough the law comes knowledge of sin.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now athe righteousness of God bhas been manifested apart from the law, although cthe Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God dthrough faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. eFor there is no distinction: 23 for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 gand are justified hby his grace as a gift, ithrough the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God jput forward as ka propitiation lby his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in mhis divine forbearance he had passed over nformer sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 8:1-7 says
[h=2]Romans 8[/h]
[h=2]Life in the Spirit[/h]8There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. [SUP]2[/SUP]For the law of the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] of life in Christ Jesus has set you[SUP]*[/SUP] free from the law of sin and of death. [SUP]3[/SUP]For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin,[SUP]*[/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4[/SUP]so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.[SUP]*[/SUP] [SUP]5[/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] set their minds on the things of the Spirit.[SUP]*[/SUP] [SUP]6[/SUP]To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] is life and peace. [SUP]7[/SUP]For this reason the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law—indeed it cannot, [SUP]8[/SUP]and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
SO, when we walk in Christ , we live by the word of God and we then become doers of the Law because we have the Spirit of God, the" Holy Spirit".
To walk outside the commandments of God means that we are walking in the flesh and when we walk in the flesh we cannot please God.
[h=1]Romans 3:19–26[/h]19 Now we know that whatever vthe law says it speaks to those who are under the law, wso that every mouth may be stopped, and xthe whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For yby works of the law no human being3 will be justified in his sight, since zthrough the law comes knowledge of sin.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now athe righteousness of God bhas been manifested apart from the law, although cthe Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God dthrough faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. eFor there is no distinction: 23 for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 gand are justified hby his grace as a gift, ithrough the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God jput forward as ka propitiation lby his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in mhis divine forbearance he had passed over nformer sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 8:1-7 says
[h=2]Romans 8[/h]
[h=2]Life in the Spirit[/h]8There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. [SUP]2[/SUP]For the law of the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] of life in Christ Jesus has set you[SUP]*[/SUP] free from the law of sin and of death. [SUP]3[/SUP]For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin,[SUP]*[/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4[/SUP]so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.[SUP]*[/SUP] [SUP]5[/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] set their minds on the things of the Spirit.[SUP]*[/SUP] [SUP]6[/SUP]To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit[SUP]*[/SUP] is life and peace. [SUP]7[/SUP]For this reason the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law—indeed it cannot, [SUP]8[/SUP]and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
SO, when we walk in Christ , we live by the word of God and we then become doers of the Law because we have the Spirit of God, the" Holy Spirit".
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The Law is just a shadow of the good things to come.
This is not the place to ask this question, if you come on ChristianChat.com everyone here is just going to get defensive and start thinking that if they tell you the law is already fulfilled on your behalf that you will go out and sin. God forbid we can't have someone do the same things that we do every day. That would just be ridiculous.
Look, the fact is that the Law does not apply anymore.
I'm not going to give a whole explanation of how or why something in 1 Corinthians should overwrite everything in Romans or give you fearful verses like you're probably about to get from so many people.
We are not under the dispensation of Mosaic Law but under the dispensation of grace.
I would not spend another minute on this website because you are at a very vulnerable stage now, where all you have to do is hear the wrong fundamentalist Holy Joe (which there are loads of here) come and tell you that you still have to follow Christ in order to have salvation. I suggest you open your Bible, read through Romans + Galatians and then go to these websites:
FROM LEE IN TENNESSEE
Escape to Reality
Go on YouTube and search up Pastor Joseph Prince.
Then come back here and you'll be equipped with the information you need to not be discouraged by 80% of Christians here that will tell you how to live your life in order to have right standing with God.
This is not the place to ask this question, if you come on ChristianChat.com everyone here is just going to get defensive and start thinking that if they tell you the law is already fulfilled on your behalf that you will go out and sin. God forbid we can't have someone do the same things that we do every day. That would just be ridiculous.
Look, the fact is that the Law does not apply anymore.
I'm not going to give a whole explanation of how or why something in 1 Corinthians should overwrite everything in Romans or give you fearful verses like you're probably about to get from so many people.
We are not under the dispensation of Mosaic Law but under the dispensation of grace.
I would not spend another minute on this website because you are at a very vulnerable stage now, where all you have to do is hear the wrong fundamentalist Holy Joe (which there are loads of here) come and tell you that you still have to follow Christ in order to have salvation. I suggest you open your Bible, read through Romans + Galatians and then go to these websites:
FROM LEE IN TENNESSEE
Escape to Reality
Go on YouTube and search up Pastor Joseph Prince.
Then come back here and you'll be equipped with the information you need to not be discouraged by 80% of Christians here that will tell you how to live your life in order to have right standing with God.
But put it this as a Christian why would you not want to follow the 10 commandments.... we all still covet..and is apparent many Christians still love adultery... we all may or not still have idols in our lives.. money,sex,control,power,
So we do not discount the law, we discount the ritual law. There is a big difference.
This is the big problem.. we say the law is old we are under grace we don't bother with that but that is foolishness. Yes, we do not follow the law for salvation, and we can only follow the MORAL law because Christ has took the curse and freed us to do so.
Infact..Jesus commands it he sums up the MORAL law very nicely for us ...
Love god with all you heart .... and love your neighbour as yourself...if you do these you WILL be following the moral law.. but not the ritual.
And before everyone starts yelling legalist...it is not legalistic for following the MORAL law which Jesus summed up, it is not how you get saved..but it is actually you bearing good fruit after you are saved...
So we do not discount the law, we discount the ritual law. There is a big difference.
This is the big problem.. we say the law is old we are under grace we don't bother with that but that is foolishness. Yes, we do not follow the law for salvation, and we can only follow the MORAL law because Christ has took the curse and freed us to do so.
Infact..Jesus commands it he sums up the MORAL law very nicely for us ...
Love god with all you heart .... and love your neighbour as yourself...if you do these you WILL be following the moral law.. but not the ritual.
And before everyone starts yelling legalist...it is not legalistic for following the MORAL law which Jesus summed up, it is not how you get saved..but it is actually you bearing good fruit after you are saved...
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The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
~Hebrews 10:1-2
I can't really change your mind if you're sin occupied and I don't want to. If you can read Hebrews 10 and still only see the "but what if I sin?" after it, that's something on your walk and not something I have any right to question. No law means no rules, and that terrifies Christians. The condition for our salvation and blessing are upon our belief in Jesus, to which God says He will write His laws into our minds and on our hearts. God found fault with the Law. The Bible calls it the "ministry of death".
Let's get the dirty and gritty concepts out the way.
If you are saved and you kill someone, you're still saved.
If you are saved and you commit adultery, you're still saved.
If you're so certain that I'm blaspheming right now, think of the last time you were hateful towards a brother - you committed murder in your heart. If you undressed a woman in your mind - congratulations, you're a heartly fornicator and adulterer.
The fact is that you're a sinner either way, and most Christians are ready to cut my throat at this point to get me to stop talking. John and Paul made it very clear that sin is not a productive thing in Christian life, but here's the catch~
When you make Jesus that principle thing and focus on His glory, sin loses its dominion over you.
Anyway, like I said this is not for you and more for the chap who made the thread. Although those links I gave him sorted everything out, including all this.
tl;dr
law was not abolished
god is just sin needs punishment
law was fulfilled by jesus
our sin was punished on jesus
sin cannot be punished twice
sin is taken out of equation
all thats left is relationship with god
relationship with god = good lifestyle (not the other way around)
~Hebrews 10:1-2
I can't really change your mind if you're sin occupied and I don't want to. If you can read Hebrews 10 and still only see the "but what if I sin?" after it, that's something on your walk and not something I have any right to question. No law means no rules, and that terrifies Christians. The condition for our salvation and blessing are upon our belief in Jesus, to which God says He will write His laws into our minds and on our hearts. God found fault with the Law. The Bible calls it the "ministry of death".
Let's get the dirty and gritty concepts out the way.
If you are saved and you kill someone, you're still saved.
If you are saved and you commit adultery, you're still saved.
If you're so certain that I'm blaspheming right now, think of the last time you were hateful towards a brother - you committed murder in your heart. If you undressed a woman in your mind - congratulations, you're a heartly fornicator and adulterer.
The fact is that you're a sinner either way, and most Christians are ready to cut my throat at this point to get me to stop talking. John and Paul made it very clear that sin is not a productive thing in Christian life, but here's the catch~
When you make Jesus that principle thing and focus on His glory, sin loses its dominion over you.
Anyway, like I said this is not for you and more for the chap who made the thread. Although those links I gave him sorted everything out, including all this.
tl;dr
law was not abolished
god is just sin needs punishment
law was fulfilled by jesus
our sin was punished on jesus
sin cannot be punished twice
sin is taken out of equation
all thats left is relationship with god
relationship with god = good lifestyle (not the other way around)
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I'm sin occupied because I believe we should do as Christ said? "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Totally backwards thinking. I do know His commandments, so by His grace, I keep them. How does that make me occupied with sin? The only thing that would make me occupied with sin is if I kept sinning.
Totally backwards thinking. I do know His commandments, so by His grace, I keep them. How does that make me occupied with sin? The only thing that would make me occupied with sin is if I kept sinning.
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Hebrews 10:26-30
[SUP]26 [/SUP]If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
These verses are straight forward. You purposefully keep sinning? You have no salvation in Christ.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
These verses are straight forward. You purposefully keep sinning? You have no salvation in Christ.
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Read it again. It doesn't say those who have received the truth, but received the knowledge of the truth.
If you receive the knowledge of the truth, and say "I don't need Jesus", therefore not coming in agreement with God that you are a sinner that needs a savior, there is no sacrifice left for sins. You're on your own and you can expect judgement of your flesh. How do you think you can trample the Son of God underfoot? By not believing in Him.
If you receive the knowledge of the truth, and say "I don't need Jesus", therefore not coming in agreement with God that you are a sinner that needs a savior, there is no sacrifice left for sins. You're on your own and you can expect judgement of your flesh. How do you think you can trample the Son of God underfoot? By not believing in Him.
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Read into it what you like. If a person purposefully keeps sinning, they aren't going to be saved. You yourself made the claim that if a person sins but they've been saved, they can't be lost. You're acting as if this magical moment happens when you've saved that there's no way you can then be lost. Sorry, I see that nowhere in scriptures. It's not just about believing in Him. The demons believe and shudder. It's those that do His will, keep His commandments (which He Himself said) that will be saved.