What about Adam ?

[svedbygrace]

When Adam was created, he and Eve, for she was in him as part of him, he was not born from above, for he was formed out of the dust of the ground, for if they would have been born from above or of God, they could not have sinned. 1 Jn 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If eve would have been born of God, Satan the Serpent could not have deceived her into eating of that forbidden tree, and also Adam likewise, he ate evidencing that they had no control over their actions; However all along these things were going according to God's own will and counsel. For these happened in pursuance of an Eternal Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus. Eph 1:11

11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of himwho worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Eph 3:11

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

This was God's Purpose before He created Adam and Eve..172

 

[svedbygrace]

Adam was not Spiritual !


When Adam was created he was not a spiritual man! This is gathered from the inspired writings of the Apostle Paul 1 Cor 15:45-48


45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Pay special attention to vs 46. He was natural but not spiritual. Adam when he was freshly created by God, he needed to be born again, born of the Spirit, for him being responsible for sin entering the world was evidence of that, and God called him earthy. However the Kingdom that God had prepared for His People from the foundation, even before Adam was created, was Spiritual and it was heavenly. Matt 25:34

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

18And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Heb 11:16

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.173

 

[directline2iam]

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?


If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

If If If
You forgot one other If: The tree of life everlasting was in the garden of Eden and IF they would of eaten of it even in there state of sin, they would have done what you say they couldn't do which was to inherit eternal life in the flesh.

 

[Cino]

Yes, if Adam did not sin, life without sin would be paradise. Do you think that God did not know that Adam would sin? Of course He did. His plan of salvation was from the foundation of the world. Adam had to sin, in order for God to send his only begotten Son to die for us. We would not have salvation through Jesus Christ if Adam did not sin. It's all part of God's great plan. God who knows all things, knew Adam would fall, and already had a plan of salvation for US, so that we too, should not perish.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, if Adam did not sin, life without sin would be paradise. Do you think that God did not know that Adam would sin? Of course He did. His plan of salvation was from the foundation of the world. Adam had to sin, in order for God to send his only begotten Son to die for us. We would not have salvation through Jesus Christ if Adam did not sin. It's all part of God's great plan. God who knows all things, knew Adam would fall, and already had a plan of salvation for US, so that we too, should not perish.

and by this sin of knowing what is good and what is evil, through Christ we are restored to Spiritual life, and now free to choose God over evil, every time evil appears to de-rail us from being in unity with God
If Adam never sinned we would never had a free choice to choose between God and self. God is love that goes on forever.
Free choice loosed us all from ever being puppets on strings

 

[svedbygrace]

Adam was not Spiritual !


Most religionists assume that Adam was spiritual at creation because of what is written Gen 5:1

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; and from this again it is assumed, because God is a Spirit, that Adam therefore was created spiritual and had God's likeness in that regards; also many read into it that, that God created Adam with a Sovereign freewill like his Creator ! However this concept cannot stand the testimony of scripture, that Adam was not made spiritual, but earthy, soulish and plain natural 1 Cor 15. Even if for a moment we would grant that Adam was spiritual, yet his failure and mutability and sin show that he was no comparison to God who is Infinite, Eternal,and Immutable. So it was not in this sense at all Adam was created in the image and likeness of God !174

 

[svedbygrace]

Now how was Adam created in the Image and likeness of God ? Paul informs us of this Mystery. Paul in regards to Adam writes Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

A figure is an image or likeness.t is the greek word typos and means:


the mark of a stroke or blow, print

2) a figure formed by a blow or impression

a) of a figure or image

b) of the image of the gods

3) form

an example

a) in the technical sense, the pattern in conformity to which a thing must be made

And so Paul instructs us in how Adam was in the Image and Likeness of God. The God - Man Mediator 1 Tim 2:5. Yes, Adam was made in the Likeness and Image of God by being made like unto the God Man Mediator, Christ Jesus, who was in the Image and Likeness of God as the Firstborn of every creature Col 1:15

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The First Adam, Natural and Earthy is the figure of the God -Man, The Lord from Heaven, the Last Adam, and this likeness is set forth in that Male and Female created he them Gen 5:1

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

God through Paul is revealing a Great Mystery see Eph 5:32 and tells us more matter of factual how is it that Adam was made in the Image and Likeness of God. It was by forming Adam in His Creation with the embodiment of His Wife, which was to be taken out of Him and be called woman; So this was presenting in a figure, the Bride, the Lambs Wife [ see Rev 21:9] In the Creation of Adam, all His Offspring, the natural lives of the Elect were created in Him, and likewise, all the Spiritual Offspring of Christ were created in Him, that Adam which is the Lord from Heaven. The writer of Hebrews states Heb 2:11

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

He was called Adam as He encompassed His Wife and His Progeny. So God called their Name Adam in the Day they were Created. In like manner, the Entire Spiritual Family was embraced in Christ Jesus Eph 3:15. Christ as the Head of His Body with its many members equals Christ 1 Cor 12:12

12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

This is how Adam was made in the Image and Likeness of God 180

 

[svedbygrace]

Did Adam have Faith before the Fall or His Sin ?


Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen ! Heb 11:1,6

We find in vs 6 an statement that gives us to conclude that Faith Pleases God

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Now Adam at his Creation, when God pronounced him good, even very good, and even though God made him in the Image of God, yet it still remains that Adam was Created a Natural Man 1 Cor 15:45-48

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Now the word natural in vs 46 said of Adam is the greek word psychikos and means :

of or belonging to breath

a) having the nature and characteristics of the breath

1) the principal of animal life, which men have in common with the brutes

b) governed by breath

1) the sensuous nature with its subjection to appetite and passion

The same word is found in 1 Cor 2:14

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Adam, in his unfallen but natural state could not receive the things of the Spirit of God

In other words in his natural state he would not be able to receive the Gospel of God from Faith to FaithRom 1:16-17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

In his natural unfallen condition Adam was not yet fit to receive the Gospel of Salvation by Faith 185

 

[Drett]

I think one of the hardest concepts that a person need to get their head around to become a christian is original sin. That people are punished for the sins of another.

 

[homwardbound]

I think one of the hardest concepts that a person need to get their head around to become a christian is original sin. That people are punished for the sins of another.

Maybe to the point that it is inherited, at birth through womb.
[h=3]John 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Jesus Teaches Nicodemus[/h]3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
[SUP]5[/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.[SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘Youmust be born again.’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

How is this born again take place. Through the operation from God at the cross.
Just follow Christ into his death for you to be dead to the self, then renew the mind to see what God is showing you through the death. His resurrected Christ to be in you and through you, if we are willing to die to self and this world
Just food for thought to you

 

[svedbygrace]

As Adam, man in his natural state does not know of their need of The Saviour. He does not have Faith which pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

This has always been True even at the beginning of the Creation, God has not Changed, neither did He change after Adam sinned..

But as a Natural Man in His innocence Adam was not able to please God,and his transgression proved it ! 186

 

[homwardbound]

So Adam did not know his need for God until he sinned, is that what you are saying? Interesting if so

 

[svedbygrace]

So Adam did not know his need for God until he sinned, is that what you are saying? Interesting if so

Read what I posted. Rehearse each point I made with me.

 

[homwardbound]

Read what I posted. Rehearse each point I made with me.

You can't just answer the ?

 

[SpiritofFire]

Take this thread in relation to your other one. Adam passed sin and death down to us all, whether we knew him or believed we all came from him. Cannot our Lord have the same effect?

 

[svedbygrace]

You can't just answer the ?

Read what I posted. Rehearse each point I made with me.

 

[BeanieD]

They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not from the tree of life. They were baned from Eden right away and "cherubum" were placed around the tree of life to keep them out. People lived longer back then as they had to populate the earth. Now, we are over crowded, (not their fault) and our llives were shortened a long time ago.

 

[Josh321]

do you realise that if there was no sin we wouldn't be here 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. [h=3]Genesis 3:16[/h]

 

[homwardbound]

Take this thread in relation to your other one. Adam passed sin and death down to us all, whether we knew him or believed we all came from him. Cannot our Lord have the same effect?

And our Lord Christ did and does all done at the cross for us all to whom willbelieve
Thanks

 

[svedbygrace]

Folks supposing Adam had not sin, never transgressed, his obedience still would not have been acceptable to God, because it could not have been done out of Gratitude for the the Work and Righteousness of Christ. Thanksgiving and other sacrifices to God are only acceptable through Jesus Christ, that is with an eye to His Redemptive obedience and sacrifice on ones behalf.

1 Pet 4:11

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Rom 1:8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Rom 5:11

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 6:11

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

When Adam was first created, he was not alive to God through Jesus Christ ! Later he was !

Rom 7:25

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom 16:27

To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

1 Pet 2:5

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

When Adam was created and not yet having sinned, he had no Ideal of Christ Righteousness imputed on the basis of the Lamb Slain from the foundation Rev 13:8;17:8; However I do believe Adam knew that the Son of God existed in the Godhead, just not redemptively. It was God's Purpose to teach Adam about Christ after his sin.197