Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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i like this:)
but let's remember what Jesus said:

John 6
Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

that's why this:

Romans 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

does not contradict this:

1 Thessalonians 1:3
We remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yeah i do not ignore faith in Jesus. Only Jesus can save. So in essence Zone, i am not keeping the commandments to get saved, i am keeping them because i am saved, and because I love Him, and He loves me, and He gives me the power to overcome the works of the devil. Satan is a conquered foe, zone. Jesus did it all, and He promises to help you. My Lord is no liar. So as a true Christian, i don't excuse my faith to go and do those things that Jesus does not want me to do. You know what i mean? Romans 6:15. 1 john 3:4.
God bless. I hope you see what i see now
 

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Yeah i do not ignore faith in Jesus. Only Jesus can save. So in essence Zone, i am not keeping the commandments to get saved, i am keeping them because i am saved, and because I love Him, and He loves me, and He gives me the power to overcome the works of the devil. Satan is a conquered foe, zone. Jesus did it all, and He promises to help you. My Lord is no liar. So as a true Christian, i don't excuse my faith to go and do those things that Jesus does not want me to do. You know what i mean? Romans 6:15. 1 john 3:4.
God bless. I hope you see what i see now
you're not keeping the commandments anyways, really.
you break them constantly:)

but i know what you mean. we all do.
 
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Those who they are saved by faith ignore that obedience is a fruit of true faith and love to God. Legalists claim that salvation is by their works. As for me: i don't support the one nor the other. I say you are saved by your faith, but your faith is made perfect by works. I am well aware that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. But i won't ignore what Paul said in romans 6:15, or romans 3:31. Neither am i going to ignore a very clear statement of Jesus in luke 16:17. Again i'll make it plain. I DO believe in ephesians 2:8-9. And titus 3:4-6. But i won't ignore james 2:20, and matthew 5:7-19, and revelation 14:12 and revelation 22:14.
So it all comes down that everyone is judged according to his works. Even Jesus said so! "Behold, i come quickly, and my reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be."- revelation 22:12.
So the only way i can try to make it plain is this:
-wicked men do not have good works.
- real true lovers of Jesus Christ will HAVE good works and will obey!
So in essence, every man is going to be judged by his works, not that his works are what saves him. But Jesus said so, that He's coming to judge you according to your works. How about the parable of the vine? In John 15? "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, is cast down, "and thrown the fires! Not that he gained heaven by his own efforts and fruits! No. Jesus said in that same parable of John 15:1-5, that "without Me, ye can do nothing." But still you can't ignore that you gotta have fruits! Obeying the Ten Commandments is impossible for you to do. But Jesus promises you, His power, and grace to help you! "Without Me, ye can do nothing." So please do not accuse me as if i am a legalist, or that i am a heretic. Revelation 22:14, is plain. Only those that do His commandments enter the city. Not that their efforts or works got them there. But they were TRUE worshippers of God, who because they love God, obey Him by His power! It is God who works in you to will and to DO of His good pleasure! He'll give you the power to DO of His good pleasure. He will no sooner give you all the power that you need to endure the trial and temptation rather than leave you alone fighting the temptations and trials. Think about it. God who loves us, and sent His Son, "shall He not, with His Son, freely give us all things?"- romans 8:32. Ofcourse He shall and WILL. Just ask Him for His help. I KNOW you are a sinner, unable to keep that Law, and i am just as weak as you, if not even MORE. But "when i am weak, then am i strong" because Jesus says "My strength is made perfect in weakness". 2 corinthians 12:9-10
So if you truly are a Christian, why won't you take that power from on high, and with His power, and with His Spirit, keep the Law?! After all, God never lies, and Has promised you "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: -Hebrews 8:10"
So love God and keep His commandments. "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and (because of your love for His Son) His commandments are not griveous." - 1 john 5:3. Now you will LOVE to obey God and worship Him! You will love to do those things that will make please. "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His eyes."- 1 john 3:22
God bless you reader.
Do you believe only those who keep God's commandments will have the right to enter the kingdom of Heaven, as Revelation 22:14 suggest?

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14

 
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you're not keeping the commandments anyways, really.
you break them constantly:)

but i know what you mean. we all do.
Why the harsh comment? I am not lying here. Take it from the Bible. Not from me. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
 
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you're not keeping the commandments anyways, really.
you break them constantly:)

but i know what you mean. we all do.
Your unbelief in Jesus' words made me sorrow.
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right unto the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."- revelation 22:14
 
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Mighty in words, little in truth.
Who are you trying to convince?
(you and the rest of the SDA denomination?)
(As for you persuading me.)
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zone

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Why the harsh comment? I am not lying here. Take it from the Bible. Not from me. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

not harsh at all.
if you kept the commandment and were perfect, Christ died for no reason.
please don't say you manage to obey them perfectly now cuz you love Him.

you still need His Work every minute of every day.
don't worry, He will not fail.

He is PERFECT.
 
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not harsh at all.
if you kept the commandment and were perfect, Christ died for no reason.
please don't say you manage to obey them perfectly now cuz you love Him.

you still need His Work every minute of every day.
don't worry, He will not fail.

He is PERFECT.
I never said i am perfect by my own power. But i will reach perfection in Christ. Christ promised that. You deny it. I don't. "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
 

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By studying Daniel 7, one can realise whose the little horn power that is also described in Revelation 13 as the beast that comes up out of the see. In Daniel 7, daniel prophesies of four kingdoms. These four were historically Babylon, medo-persia, greece, and Rome. The third beast split into four kingdoms, that's why it had four heads. When Alexander the great died, his kingdom was taken over by his four generals. Each one took a part of the kingdom. The fourth beast historically was Rome. Which was divided in 476 ad into ten nations --> that's why it had ten horns. Now a little horn comes up among these ten. The ONLY OTHER POWER that arose among the ten nations, and plucked up three of the ten, was the POPE. Heruli, vandals, and the ostrogoths were the ones destroyed. Pope ascended into supreme power in 538 ad. Now daniel said this horn will speak great words against the most High. Shall destroy the saints. Rule for a time and times and half a time. Think to change times and laws.
The popes did this:
The blasphemes God when they claimed numerous times in writing as well as openly that they were God. "All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ...all the same names are applied to the Pope"- Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. 2.
"“Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the
lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca , “Papa”, art. 2.
"The very title, pope, means “papa,” or “father.” It is a title which in rel igious usage belongs
only to God, as Christ pointed out: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your
Father, which is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9.
“They have assumed infallibility, which belongs only to God. They profess to forgive sins,
which belongs only to God. They profess to open and shut heaven, which belongs only
to God. They profess to be higher than all the kings of the earth, which belongs only to
God. And they go beyond God in pretending to loose whole nations from their oath of
allegience to their kings, when such kings do not please them. And they go against God,
when they give indulgences for sin . This is the worst of all blasphemies.” Adam Clarke,
Commentary, on Daniel 7:25."

Now the popes fulfilled the prophecy of destroying and making war on the saints of God! Anyone remember the horibble outcome of religious intolerance that occured in the dark ages? "“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has
ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent
knowledge of history....It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude
of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realise
their sufferings.” History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe,
Vol 2, p 40, by W.E.H. Lecky, (1955 ed.)."

Did the popes rule for a time and times and half a time? Now one needs to just remember that this word time was written in amaric, and it means a year. And times in aramic came from "two years", and half a time is half a year. Did the popes reign for 3.5 prophetic years? 3.5 prophetic years is the same as 42 months! (12 months per year). Now the best amazing thing about this is that there are parallels in prophecy! For John in revelation, said that this beast would continue for 42 months! And that he would make war with the saints and overcome them! Not only so, but John sees this beast having names of blasphemy, and speaking great words against God!
Now keep in mind that these 42 months or prophetic. In Bible, a month is 30 days, so 42 months is 1260 days. Now that's not a coincidece that 1260 days is mentioned in Revelation 12! And in revelation 11 both 42 months and 1260 days are mentioned! But what is the time scale that God uses? "Each day for a year", "each day for a year" numbers 14:34, ezekiel 4:6
Did the popes reign for 1260 years?! Yes. Pope ascended throne in 538 ad. In 1798 napoleon sent his general and abolished the power of the popes. 1798-538= 1260 years! Now is this amazing or what?
Here's another parallel too: paul in his letter to the thessalonians said talked about the "man of sin" "son of perdition" who "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" 2 thessalonians 2:3-4. Now this is something you should know. Pope does sit on a white throne, and with two cherebiums on either side! What color was the throne that John saw on which God sits? White! (Revelation 20:11). And what did isaiah say about the one who sits between the cherebiums?! Isaiah 37:16!
Now everyone should totally understand! Now i know why the protestant reformers called the pope the antichrist. Martin luther. John knocks. King james. John weasley, william tyndale, and much more... But we don't take it from the words of men! We take it from the Holy Bible! It was daniel that prophesied of the four kingdoms and we just trace it down with history. All who would want to take the holy Bible is their sole rule of faith, must after studying Bible prophecy to be led to conclude that the pope is the antichrist. Plus it has to be because otherwise, no prophecy fulfills.
The last thing i would want to mention is thinking to change the times and laws.

Primarily, the activities of the Little Horn are directed not merely against human authority,
but against God Himself. Says the text, “He shall speak great words against the most High, and shall
wear out the saints of the most High.” The “times and laws” that he would “think to change” would
therefore be “of the most High.” The papacy would actually claim the right to alter divine precepts.
Consider the following statement made in Pope Nicholas’ time.
“The pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the commands of
Christ...He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right, by correcting and
changing laws....
“The pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even
divine laws....The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God,
and he acts in the place of God upon earth, with the fullest power of binding and loosing
his sheep.” Prompta Bibliotheca, by Lucius Ferraris, under “Papa,” art. 2.

The pope has removed the second commandment, and has changed the fourth! Jesus said "think not that i am come to destroy the law" matthew 5:17. And paul says "shall we make the law void through faith, nay, but we establish it"- romans 3:31. The idea that a christian is released from obligation to the law of God is not founded from the Holy Bible. Jesus Himself in the last book of the Bible, prounounced a blessing to those that KEEP GOD's COMMANDMENTS:
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"- revelation 22:14.
The idea that you don't need the law is centered upon the belief of the popes and that's that.
Here's one striking statement Jesus makes, "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail"- luke 16:17
Even the catholic church admits that in writing:
"“We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Things
Catholics Are Asked About, p 136, by Martin J. Scott, 1927.

“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the Church, has no good reason for its Sunday
theory, and ought, logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.” John Gilmary Shea,
quoted in The American Catholic Quarterly Review, January, 1883.

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line
authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance
of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, p 72-
73, by James Cardinal Gibbons, 1917 ed.

“Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently
follow in this matter the tradition of the Church?” Bertrand L. Conway, quoted in The
Question Box Answers, 1910, p 255.



“No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for
the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can
be changed!! It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the change of the sabbath from the
seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who
changes times and laws ex officio – I think his name is DOCTOR
ANTICHRIST.”Alexander Campbell, quoted in The Christian Baptist, February 2, 1824,
vol. 1, no. 7. (This is a statement not from the catholic church ofcourse.)

“Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives:
either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday or Catholicity and the keeping of
Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.


“The church has changed the Sabbath into the Lord’s day by its own authority, concerning
which you have no Scripture.” Handbook of Common Places Against the Lutherans, by
Johann Eck, 1533.


“If you follow the Bible alone there can be no question that you are obliged to keep Saturday
holy, since that is the day especially prescribed by Almighty God to be kept holy to the
Lord. In keeping Sunday, non-Catholics are simply following the practise of the Catholic
Church for 1800 years, a tradition, and not a Bible ordinance....With the Catholics there
is no difficulty about the matter. For, since we deny that the Bible is the sole rule of faith,
we can fall back upon the constant practise and tradition of the Church.” Francis G.
Lentz, quoted in The Question Box, p 98-99, 1900.

And that my friends is just a few of the quotes that i can share. The beast has a mark according to Rev 13:16-17.
What does the vatican claim as its mark of authority?
"Sunday is our MARK of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."- catholic record of london, ontario sept 1, 1923

The mark of the beast is sunday laws. The pope will regain power as rev 17 depicts the beast having ten horns. The new world order's leader will be the pope, and divided into ten seperate kingdoms.

"This organization proposes in every possible way to aid in preserving
Sunday as a civil institution. Our national security requires the active
support of all good citizens in the maintenance of our American Sabbath.
Sunday laws must be enforced." -Quoted as "principles contained in the
Constitution" of the original orginization (then called the American Sabbath
Union), cited in The Lord's Day Alliance, Twenty fifth Report (1913), p6

I hope you were blessed. For more info on who the antichrist is (25+ major prophecies that expose the pope is antichrist --> remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm )
For more info on the mark of the beast : remnantofgod.org/mark.htm
For more info on the Law of God and all biblical facts that disprove the idea that you should not keep the Law: remnantofgod.org/law.htm
For more info on the Sabbath of God: remnantofgod.org/sabbath.htm

I totally am convinced that the Law of God should be kept for the Christian. The fact that Jesus died for you was proof that He did not change His law. He could have ommited the law and there would be no more sin. Sin is "the transgression of the law"- 1 John 3:4
And the love of God is keeping His commandments 1john 5:3
If anyone says he knows God but keeps not His commandments, you can be sure that the man is a liar: 1 john 2:4
How can people now claim that the law was abolished when Jesus my Christ and Lord said that it is going to endure even if the earth and heaven will pass? Who is my God? The people of today or my Jesus? Whom am i to believe?
I truly hope you were blessed. Christians who keep the Law cannot get the mark of the beast: revelation 14:12
Amen.
I am glad you care about obeying the Lord but this might be taking it too far
 
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Your unbelief in Jesus' words made me sorrow.
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right unto the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."- revelation 22:14
Rev. 22:14 only says "commandments" in the KJV. The original greek does not support this paraphrase. Modern translations say "washed their robes". Yet the SDA's never want to mention this. They love posting about commandments all day long and not one of them can keep the commandments. They never seem post about forgiveness of sins or the need we all have to be forgiven of our sins.
 
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That's a great verse!

1 Thessalonians 1:3 We remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Then you must not sin, right?
Your attempt to disprove me does not come from the Bible at all. And i never said i am perfect in my own power. Did i ever say such a thing? No. But do I deny Jesus' promise for me? "When i am weak then am I strong" because "His power is perfected in weakness". Stephen reached that perfection. Peter and the apostles reached that perfection. And everyone who believes on Christ can reach perfection. You are not fighting me. I am the biggest sinner on earth, without Christ i am nothing. But i don't deny the Bible's promise for me, to build me into a perfect stature of man in Christ.
1 peter 5:10
James 2:22
James 1:4
1 john 3:6
1 john 5:18
Matthew 5:48
Romans 8:29 --> that's Bible promise for us, to have the image of Christ in us.
Galatians 5:16
Christ is able to build me up into His image. He did not only come and die for me on the cross, He wills that I be made in His image. That's the Bible promise. Anyone reading this including you is already convicted of what i am saying. If you don't want to believe that promise, that's not my fault.
 
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Rev. 22:14 only says "commandments" in the KJV. The original greek does not support this paraphrase. Modern translations say "washed their robes". Yet the SDA's never want to mention this. They love posting about commandments all day long and not one of them can keep the commandments. They never seem post about forgiveness of sins or the need we all have to be forgiven of our sins.
I use KJV and strong's concordance. But here's something that can drive you thinking. What about 1 john 2:4 1 john 5:3 1 john 2:3, luke 16:17, matthew 5:17-19, and romans 3:31, romans 6:15, revelation 14:12-13, 1 john 3:8, 1 john 3:4... You are outnumbered. I already see your determination to fight against God's commandments. That law is holy and just and good, and James said "so speak ye, and so do ye, as they that shall be juges by the law of liberty."- james 2:12
romans 6:15 and romans 3:31 are very plain for me. So is matthew 7 and its link with 1 john 2:4 and 1 john 3:4
 

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Your attempt to disprove me does not come from the Bible at all. And i never said i am perfect in my own power. Did i ever say such a thing? No. But do I deny Jesus' promise for me? "When i am weak then am I strong" because "His power is perfected in weakness". Stephen reached that perfection. Peter and the apostles reached that perfection. And everyone who believes on Christ can reach perfection. You are not fighting me. I am the biggest sinner on earth, without Christ i am nothing. But i don't deny the Bible's promise for me, to build me into a perfect stature of man in Christ.
1 peter 5:10
James 2:22
James 1:4
1 john 3:6
1 john 5:18
Matthew 5:48
Romans 8:29 --> that's Bible promise for us, to have the image of Christ in us.
Galatians 5:16
Christ is able to build me up into His image. He did not only come and die for me on the cross, He wills that I be made in His image. That's the Bible promise. Anyone reading this including you is already convicted of what i am saying. If you don't want to believe that promise, that's not my fault.
If you want to reach perfection in christ then spend your time seeking him not spending so much time on the traditions of the sabbath. I am not convicted by what you say because I know where my heart lies and so does God.
 
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If you want to reach perfection in christ then spend your time seeking him not spending so much time on the traditions of the sabbath. I am not convicted by what you say because I know where my heart lies and so does God.
Sunday is the tradition, and not the Sabbath! Perfection is the ten commandments. Sin is evil and sin is breaking God's law.