Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[john832]

You are misquoting the bible. Jesus did not come to destroy....and He came to fulfil it!
Decalogue means nothing to me, The 10 commandments means something to me but I do not keep the jewish sabbath as I am a gentile.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Says here that the Sabbath was created about 2500 years before the first Jew ever walked the face of the earth.

Now we read here...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

God Almighty says the seventh day is HIS Sabbath. Now in your anti-semitism, you can call it a space shuttle if you want to, but it is not the Sabbath of the Jews, it is God's Sabbath adn it was made for all mankind...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

And Christ says that the Sabbath is the day He is Lord of.

 

[john832]

You are misquoting the bible. Jesus did not come to destroy....and He came to fulfil it!
Decalogue means nothing to me, The 10 commandments means something to me but I do not keep the jewish sabbath as I am a gentile.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

fulfil:

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Where in the definition does it say that they do not apply anymore? Where does it say they are finished and not applicable to us today?

As far as not being a Jew...

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

With the attitude you display to the Law of God, perhaps you are not.

 

[josh123]

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Says here that the Sabbath was created about 2500 years before the first Jew ever walked the face of the earth.

Now we read here...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

God Almighty says the seventh day is HIS Sabbath. Now in your anti-semitism, you can call it a space shuttle if you want to, but it is not the Sabbath of the Jews, it is God's Sabbath adn it was made for all mankind...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

And Christ says that the Sabbath is the day He is Lord of.

there you go again taking the scriptures out of context.. the word sabbath means rest, rest was made for man the eternal rest of christ jesus( holy spirit ) inside of us... 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
[h=3]Matthew 11:28-30[/h]

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 5 (Last Day Events) Previous Post was # 820

The setting up of the image of the beast is not something that happens without cause. Rather it is the result of the outworking of certain steps and certain decisions that have been made along the way, and is the logical and inescapable culmination of those steps. It is something to which the church and the state, having set their feet in certain paths, must of necessity come to in the end.

For those who are called upon by God to be faithful Bible students it is not enough to know that the image is to be set up and to know what is involved in the setting up of that image. They must know how it comes to be set up. They must understand as far as it is revealed and as far as it is possible for the human mind aided by the Spirit of God to understand the outworking of the very principles that lead up to this situation. It is an important part of the study of prophecy.

What was it then that led to the setting up of the beast in the first case and to the setting up of the image of that beast in the second case?

Inasmuch as the setting up of the beast is the result of the outworking of certain forces and the setting up of the image is the same result except at a later date, then it follows that the same forces that resulted in the setting up of the first beast must have been again at work to set up the repetition of that second beast in the image of it. Therefore to understand that which is yet to be we must study carefully that which has already been and can be clearly seen.

That then is the question, and the answer is given to us in language clear and plain.

"It was apostasy that led the Early Church to seek the aid of the civil government, and this prepared the way for the development of the papacy, the beast. Said Paul, 'There shall come a falling away first... and that man of sin shall be revealed.' 2 Thess.2:3. So apostasy in the church will prepare the way for the image of the beast." The Great Controversy, 443,444.

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 6 (LAST DAY EVENTS)

The word apostasy means to fall away, or to depart from the truth of God. This is only to fall away from the power of God and thus to leave the church powerless. To be powerless means to be without any ability to accomplish anything at all. This then means that the church has come to this place where she has nothing at all to attract the people, and she finds herself drifting more and more into insignificance.

Therefore, the church must seek another power to attract the people other than the power of God. But what other power was there? There was only one other power and that was the power of force. If the people would not of themselves come to the churches and support them then they must be forced to come.

But the power of force rested not in the hands of the church. The state was the custodian of that. Therefore it followed that by some means the church must win the support of the state until they could finally control it and use it to force the people to do exactly what they wanted them to do.

There could be no other possible outcome than this. It was the inevitable step by step development of it all. And it was not a sudden thing. No apostasy or the result of it is ever sudden. It is a process. And inasmuch as that power is firmly held in the possession of the secular authorities who have been put in the world to rule those who cannot rule themselves, it follows that the church must gain the control of the State in order to control the power of the State. And when that is accomplished, then the beast is formed.

 

[danschance]

there you go again taking the scriptures out of context.. the word sabbath means rest, rest was made for man the eternal rest of christ jesus( holy spirit ) inside of us... 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11:28-30

Sabbath in Hebrew does not mean rest.

From Strong's it means:
a) sabbath
b) day of atonement
c) sabbath year
d) week
e) produce (in sabbath year)

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 7 (LAST DAY EVENTS)

It is important for our future study to spend a little space in the study of the development of the original Sunday law which is, in other words, the study of the development of the control of the church over the people by the force of the power of the State.

The time had come when the churches so lacked the power of God that they could no longer attract the people at all and on the Sunday, and special feast days, the priests found that the people would rather work than come to church. This would never do, for not only was it a serious blow to their pride and prestige, but a decided threat to their livelihood. Having in the meantime gained great favor and power with the Emperor they went to him and secured the law that forbade all work on the first day of the week.

Neander in his history of the Christian Religion and Church, vol.2. section 3, part 2, div.3, par.4, records the fact in these words, "By a law of the year 386, these older changes effected by the Emperor Constantine were more rigorously enforced; and, in general, civil transactions of every kind on Sunday were strictly forbidden. Whosoever transgressed was to be considered, in fact, guilty of sacrilege."

"As a direct result of this law, there soon appeared an evil which, under the circumstances and in the logic of the case, called for further legislation in the same direction. The law forbade all work. But as the people had no such religion as would cause them to devote the day to pious and moral exercises, the effect of the law was only to enforce idleness. Enforced idleness only multiplied opportunity for dissipation. The natural consequences was that the circuses and the theaters throughout the empire were crowded every Sunday." A.T. Jones, Great Empires of Prophecy, p.488.

What to do now? The answer was simple. Having entered upon this wrong path there was nothing left to do but to go further along that path and accordingly they worked till they had a law that closed the theaters on the Sunday. At the council of Carthage in June A.D.401, the following canon was enacted:

"Canon 5. On Sundays and feast days, no plays may be performed."

This they carried to the Emperor Honorius and requested that he pass this into law.

"The church members had not enough religion or love of right to do what they professed to believe was right, therefore, the State was asked to take away from them all opportunity to do wrong; then they would be Christians! Satan himself could be that kind of Christian in that way, and he would be the devil still." Idem, 490.

In 425 this came into law and the priests were now confident that the churches were to be filled with a people who, not being permitted by law to work on the Sunday or to play either would now come to church. But again they were disappointed for the people would rather do nothing at all than come to the church which held nothing for them. Accordingly they rested at home on the Sunday and the church was as empty as ever.

 

[josh123]

Sabbath in Hebrew does not mean rest.

From Strong's it means:
a) sabbath
b) day of atonement
c) sabbath year
d) week
e) produce (in sabbath year)

it is implicating a rest...

 

[adventbeliever]

Josh, are you not a Sunday keeper?

 

[john832]

it is implicating a rest...

Well, uh, er, I wish it meant rest.

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 8 (Last Day Events)

In the logic of this theory there was one more step to be taken. To see how logically it came about, let us glance at the steps taken from the first one to this point: First, the church had all work on Sunday forbidden, in order that the people might attend to things divine; work was forbidden, that the people might worship. But the people would not worship; they went to the circuses and to the theaters instead of to church. Then the church had laws enacted closing the circuses and the theaters, in order that the people might attend church. But even then the people would not be devoted, nor attend church, for they had no real religion. The next step to be taken therefore, in the logic of the situation was to compel them to be devoted, to compel them to attend to things divine. This was the next step logically to be taken, and it was taken. The theocratical bishops were equal to the occasion. They exactly met the demands of the case; and one of the grandest of the Catholic Fathers and Catholic saints was the father of this Catholic saintly theory. He wrote:

"It is indeed better that men should be brought to serve God by instruction than by fear of punishment or by pain. But because the former means are better, the latter must not therefore be rejected.... Many must be often brought back to their Lord, like wicked servants, by the rod of temporal sufferings, before they attain the highest grade of religious development." Augustine, A.T.Jones, Great Empires, p.491.

And in this fashion and along this course of development, which step by step was the only possible outcome in the nature of the situation as it stood, came the development of the beast in the early days of the Christian dispensation. Of course the majority of people who before did not have enough religion to take them to church now went, for they did not have enough religion in them either to discern the nature of this force to offer any resistance to it.

But now the true people of God began to find themselves in difficulty. They could obey a civil law that forbade work on the first day of the week, and the law that forbade them from going to the circuses and the theaters did not touch them either, but when a law came into being that demanded that they worship on the false sabbath, then they found that they had to disobey that law.

So they found themselves suffering the civil penalties of breaking a law that the church had caused the State to enact in the selfish interests of a church which, having lost the power of God, had no right to even exist as a church. And when the church found that such punishments as were inflicted did not cause the true ones to waver and to obey, then, in the ultimate, they brought in the death decree and as history attests, they slew with savage and heartless cruelty the thousands who would not yield but would obey God rather than man no matter what the price might be.

Such was the history of the setting up of the beast. "It was apostasy that led the early church to seek the aid of the civil government and this prepared the way for the development of the papacy." The Great Controversy, p.443.

Thus it was with the setting up of the beast and so will it be in the setting up of the image to the beast. The one is a matter of the past, but the other is yet in the future and terrible will be the repetition of this thing.

In the historical word we have the story of the rise of the beast. In the Prophetic word we have the story of the rise of the image. It is time to spend a little time and space on the story of the rise of the image. This will be the subject of the next posts in this series.

 

[josh123]

Josh, are you not a Sunday keeper?

i go to church whenever i can there isn't much " true " church anymore that actually stand for the truth or be under the ministry of the seventh angel and i actually go to church almost whenever i can actually tues thurs sat sun but i know better.. i just go to listen what can benefit me in my situation in whatever i'm dealing with and all i see is when i go to different churches they bringing down each other the different denominations adventist be like '' WE'RE THE TRUE CHURCH WE WILL BE IN THE RAPTURE '' or something like that and the pentecostal is the same thing it's actually sad to see cause both keeping jesus out the church and doing man made doctrines but the pentecostals come the closest to me though they actually believe in the baptism of the holy spirit but they also got a man made theory about it

 

[Praus]

Sabbath in Hebrew does not mean rest.

From Strong's it means:
a) sabbath
b) day of atonement
c) sabbath year
d) week
e) produce (in sabbath year)

Strong's overrides the Old Testament?

Exod 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Exod 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Lev 23:3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

Deut 5:14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

 

[Praus]

Well, uh, er, I wish it meant rest.

Ok, why doesn't it mean "rest"?

Exod 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Exod 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Lev 23:3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

Deut 5:14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

 

[adventbeliever]

i go to church whenever i can there isn't much " true " church anymore that actually stand for the truth or be under the ministry of the seventh angel and i actually go to church almost whenever i can actually tues thurs sat sun but i know better.. i just go to listen what can benefit me in my situation in whatever i'm dealing with and all i see is when i go to different churches they bringing down each other the different denominations adventist be like '' WE'RE THE TRUE CHURCH WE WILL BE IN THE RAPTURE '' or something like that and the pentecostal is the same thing it's actually sad to see cause both keeping jesus out the church and doing man made doctrines but the pentecostals come the closest to me though they actually believe in the baptism of the holy spirit but they also got a man made theory about it

Adventists do not believe in the rapture as it is taught in the popular churches.

Josh, the remnant people of God in these last days will come from all the churches.

These will not be "defiled with women." Rev.14:4. As you may know,
a "woman" in prophecy is a symbol of a church, pure or defiled.
In these last days all the churches are defiled with false doctrines.
So just before the seven last plagues fall in earnest upon the earth,
the true people of God--faithful few--will be called out of all these
churches (Rev.18:2) (and I am not saying that they will come out of
these churches to join the Seventh-day Adventist denomination
because she too is corrupt for she has departed from the light that
was given to her).

"God showed them what to do and what not to do but they departed
from the light." E.G. White, 1901 General Conference Bulletin, p.23.

"Baal, Baal, is the choice. The religion of many among us will be the
religion of apostate Israel, because they love their own way, and
forsake the way of the Lord." Testimonies to Ministers,467-8.

Before the last message of mercy goes to the world, Seventh-day
Adventists will get a last opportunity to receive the light that was
resisted over a century ago. If that light is resisted again probation
will close for the denomination and the bearers of the message
will be forced (through a great persecution) to turn to the world and
their message will swell into a loud cry and when the mission of the
Gospel is completed, the great final test (death decree) will accomplish
the final separation between the wheat and the tares and their destiny
will be forever fixed.

ab

 

[josh123]

Adventists do not believe in the rapture as it is taught in the popular churches.

Josh, the remnant people of God in these last days will come from all the churches.

These will not be "defiled with women." Rev.14:4. As you may know,
a "woman" in prophecy is a symbol of a church, pure or defile.
In these last days all the churches are defiled with false doctrines.
So just before the seven last plagues fall in earnest upon the earth,
the true people of God--faithful few--will be called out of all these
churches (Rev.18:2) (and I am not saying that they will come out of
these churches to join the Seventh-day Adventist denomination
because she too is corrupt for she has departed from the light that
was given to her.

"God showed them what to do and what not to do but they departed
from the light." E.G. White, 1901 General Conference Bulletin, p.23.

"Baal, Baal, is the choice. The religion of many among us will be the
religion of apostate Israel, because they love their own way, and
forsake the way of the Lord." Testimonies to Ministers,467-8.

Before the last message of mercy goes to the world, Seventh-day
Adventists will get a last opportunity to receive the light that was
resisted over a century ago. If that light is resisted again probation
will close for the denomination and the bearers of the message
will be forced (through a great persecution) to turn to the world and
their message will swell into a loud cry and when the mission of the
Gospel is completed, the great final test (death decree) will accomplish
the final separation between the wheat and the tares and their destiny
will be forever fixed.

ab

exactly how can someone say the truth is in them and don't believe in the rapture, and the TRUE church will be raptured to meet christ jesus denominations are not the true church know what denominations are? half truth religion and the rest of it is man made religion look at the adventist they can't get pass Exodus 20, look at the jehovah witnesses these denominations will never come to light or the truth unless they take down that barrier but that isn't going to happen it's the last days was destined to me that way.. and every church age suppose to be under the angel of that church age and must listen to what the angel of that age has to say but this laodicea age doing it's own thing

 

[josh123]

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[h=3]1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 to not believe in the rapture is to blatantly reject the word of god it because this hasn't occured as yet so how can you say you don't believe in something when it is written in the scripture.[/h]

 

[josh123]

[video=youtube;1IAhDGYlpqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY[/video]

 

[adventbeliever]

When I said that adventists do not believe in the rapture, I did not mean that they do not believe in the second coming of Christ. There will be a rapture when He comes. You know what the popular teaching of the rapture is, that the chosen ones will be taken away before the seven year tribulation... There won't be a "seven-year" tribulation anyway and the people of God will live through the seven last plagues and they will be translated without seeing death at the coming of Christ after the seventh plague.

sky

 

[josh123]

When I said that adventists do not believe in the rapture, I did not mean that they do not believe in the second coming of Christ. There will be a rapture when He comes. You know what the popular teaching of the rapture is, that the chosen ones will be taken away before the seven year tribulation... There won't be a "seven-year" tribulation anyway and the people of God will live through the seven last plagues and they will be translated without seeing death at the coming of Christ after the seventh plague.

sky

the church will be gone before the 7 year tribulation the 144 000 the jews will be living through the seven year tribulation