Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

[Houly]

Whether you are a preterist that believes Daniel's 70th 'seven' (week of 7 years) was fulfilled in 70 AD or a futurist that believes Daniel's 70th week is yet to be fulfilled, you must place a break in Daniel 9:26, between the end of the 69th week in 33 AD (when Jesus Christ was cut off) and the beginning of the 70th.

If you do not accept a break, where do you place the beginning and end of Daniel's 70 weeks?

 

[Bookends]

I think this graph illustrates my view currently:

 

[Houly]

That chart's not right. The "cut off" should be at the end of the 69th week, not in the middle of the 70th.

 

[Bookends]

That chart's not right. The "cut off" should be at the end of the 69th week, not in the middle of the 70th.

No, I believe your interpretation is wrong. Sorry friend.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

62 weeks and the first 7 weeks you get 69, so after the 69th week puts it in the 70th week.

 

[Bookends]

That chart's not right. The "cut off" should be at the end of the 69th week, not in the middle of the 70th.

Verse 27, says it's the middle, in which I believe is the last supper right before His crucifixion.
27 He will make a firm covenant
with many for one week,
but in the middle of the week
he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
And the abomination of desolation
will be on a wing of the temple[l][m]
until the decreed destruction
is poured out on the desolator.”

Middle of the week, Christ fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT and ended sacrifice and offering at the Cross.00

This chart does show the cut off after the 69th week, the cut off is in the 70th week. If we do our mathematics right 70 does follow after 62 or 69.

 

[john832]

That chart's not right. The "cut off" should be at the end of the 69th week, not in the middle of the 70th.

Actually, I think the cut off is in the midst of the week. Christ's ministry was 3-1/2 years and ended on Passover, 31AD. The remaining 3-1/2 years will be when He returns. The Gentiles will not fall all over themselves to obey immediately, here is but one example...

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Egypt will take a little correcting before they will keep the FoT.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

9:27 says that in the midst of the 70th week he caused sacrifice to cease ... which is true

 

[john832]

9:27 says that in the midst of the 70th week he caused sacrifice to cease ... which is true

And on that we agree. His perfect sacrifice was the finish of the sacrifices.

 

[Laodicea]

I think this graph illustrates my view currently:

That is true and that is what the 70 weeks are teaching. They are about Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, I believe your interpretation is wrong. Sorry friend.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

62 weeks and the first 7 weeks you get 69, so after the 69th week puts it in the 70th week.

yes, but to say it is in the middle is a stretch. It says messiah the prince will appear after the 69th week. This happened exactly on the day, The day he entered jerusalem. Which is what the OT prophesies said concerning him (he will enter on a donkey)

He was killed 7 days later, not 3 1/2 years later.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As for a gap, It is easy to see if one just looks at the text,

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

This occurs after, or at the end of the 69th week. The word after is a noun, It means after, behind, rear end following etc. In other words, at the completion of the 69th week. the messiah will be cut off.

Also remember. Messiah the prince was to be introduced 69 weeks to the day after the decree (from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince,There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks) which was fulfilled literally when Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey.


And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Fulfilled 70 AD. almost 40 years AFTER messiah was cut off (thus we already have introduced a gap)


The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel is being told that jerusalem will lie desolate (in gentile hands) until the end of war desolations are determined. We are not given a time, but we know Jerusalem is still desolate today. This it is NOT in disagreeing with scripture to understand this time (gap) is still in effect) We can also look at matt 24 to see. Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars.. This is the same time period.


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

This speaks of Gods wrath, Great tribulation, or jacobs trouble. The desolate are those in opposition to God. The consumation of this time period again is spoken of by Jesus himself. (when you see the son of man coming in the clouds)

At this point, the 70 weeks will be completed.

Jerusalem will be restored, It will follow the true God of Isreal (not the gods of the fathers, or the phariseic God it worships today) Israel will have repented, be restored. Given life. WIll know God (neighbor will no longer have to teach neighbor, because they ALL know the truth of God) God will have forgiven them. All Israel will have been saved etc etc.

It all goes perfect with prophesy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is true and that is what the 70 weeks are teaching. They are about Christ.

No, they are about the people of Isreal and the City of Jerusalem. That is what Daniel was praying about. Not about Christ. Nowhere in daniels prayer did he ask for Christ. or his redemption. He asked for mercy on the people and city.

 

[Bookends]

yes, but to say it is in the middle is a stretch. It says messiah the prince will appear after the 69th week. This happened exactly on the day, The day he entered jerusalem. Which is what the OT prophesies said concerning him (he will enter on a donkey)

He was killed 7 days later, not 3 1/2 years later.

I don't know how you read Christ coming on a donkey in Dan. 9:26, it says nothing of a donkey, or Jerusalem specifically; but it does cut off, meaning IMO, crucified. Again EG, we'll have to leave it at that, because I know I can't convince you.

 

[Bookends]

No, they are about the people of Isreal and the City of Jerusalem. That is what Daniel was praying about. Not about Christ. Nowhere in daniels prayer did he ask for Christ. or his redemption. He asked for mercy on the people and city.

And Christ's death on the cross isn't the ultimate display of mercy? taking our sin upon Himself? Who are God's people EG, just the natural Jew? or anyone who wishes a relationship with Him. It's not about earthly Jerusalem or the Jew anymore, it's about all those who put their trust and faith in Christ, in What He Did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know how you read Christ coming on a donkey in Dan. 9:26, it says nothing of a donkey, or Jerusalem specifically; but it does cut off, meaning IMO, crucified. Again EG, we'll have to leave it at that, because I know I can't convince you.

I don't see how you CANT see it.

Messiah the prince was prophesied to enter Jerusalem on a donkey. It was one of the messianic prophesies which would show all Isreal who he was.

It does not have to say donkey. It just fits. thats why I said ALL prophesy fits.

and 9: 25 is the passage, from the command to restore till messiah the prince..

9: 26 shows him being cut off. Follwoing, or after, ar at the end (completeion) of vs 25. (69 weeks)

And no you won;t convince me, Because what you want me to see does not fit. But I won't convince you either I am just stating my viewpoint for the poster to get both sides.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And Christ's death on the cross isn't the ultimate display of mercy? taking our sin upon Himself? Who are God's people EG, just the natural Jew? or anyone who wishes a relationship with Him. It's not about earthly Jerusalem or the Jew anymore, it's about all those who put their trust and faith in Christ, in What He Did.

My friend, Daniel did not pray for heavenly jerusalem or all people who would come to God.

He prayed for the city in existance at the time he prayed. and the people who were STILL in sin in his day (he included himself)

Gabriel said in his answer. YOUR PEOPLE (Physical Isreal) YOUR CITY (Physical Jerusalem)

I can not twist this to mean something not in context.

I am sorry my friend. But to me, you are adding to the context of what daniel prayed for. and twisting what he asked. And making gabriel give him an answer which did not even concern his actual prayer.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

I think this graph illustrates my view currently:

Wasn't Stephen stoned (in 34 AD) 3 1/2 years after Christ's death, burial and resurrection (31 AD)? Would that be the end of time for the Jews to accept Christ before the gospel went out to the Gentiles?

 

[Bookends]

Wasn't Stephen stoned (in 34 AD) 3 1/2 years after Christ's death, burial and resurrection (31 AD)? Would that be the end of time for the Jews to accept Christ before the gospel went out to the Gentiles?

Are you saying that the any Jew couldn't accept Christ after Stephen was martyred, or after the gospel went out?, I don't believe that. I'm not sure if the last 3 1/2 amounts to anything or has too.

 

[CoooCaw]

no there isnt
week 69 - messiah crucified AD31
week 70 - great tribulation - just ask the disciples - AD38
millennium AD 38 - 2038 (satan bound during this time - on a REALLY long chain)
2039 we are due to enter the eternal state

Whether you are a preterist that believes Daniel's 70th 'seven' (week of 7 years) was fulfilled in 70 AD or a futurist that believes Daniel's 70th week is yet to be fulfilled, you must place a break in Daniel 9:26, between the end of the 69th week in 33 AD (when Jesus Christ was cut off) and the beginning of the 70th.

If you do not accept a break, where do you place the beginning and end of Daniel's 70 weeks?

 

[Bookends]

That is true and that is what the 70 weeks are teaching. They are about Christ.

Yes, so that they would know who the Christ child would be at that time. AND so that we would know this as well. Only Jesus Christ could fit through this narrow doorway and emerge as the prince and messiah. NOW we know that any others who proclaim to be Christ are false Christs. This was the whole purpose of the prophesy.