Difference between God and Jesus

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josh123

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I don't your realise what your saying Josh, you have been taught a heresy and believe it. If God is not three persons in one substance, how can God be with God?

One thing that you don't seem to understand is Jesus' dual nature, He is both divine and Human, that's why he is God, and was born in the flesh, and that's why he was with God and is God and was born in the flesh to be the perfect human sacrifice without blemish. The sacrifice had to be a lamb with out blemish.. so that ruled out Human beings after adam..omly a perfect human could do... and Jesus Humbled himself and took on a human nature..in order to be that perfect sacrifice. He is both God and man - the 'God- man'.
... Jesus is God and God is the Godhead how is that a heresy and i'm showing you what the scripture says and proving my point from the bible.
 
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to cfultz3, I think you are right, I have to get my technician back again. But , lets answer Silas' question, why don't pastors teach the trinity for salvation.? I do. I have a fuller answer to this question ,but must of you won't like it. Here it is: pastors are so weak on truth today, that they have deceived themselves to believe the lie of "faith alone". so why would they tell the whole truth, they don't know the whole truth. they are liars. Love to all, Hoffco
I admire you for giving your opinion to the question Hoffco, no one else has. I'm not suire though if they all don't preach it because they don't believe it(to them the truth) But thank you again for having the courage to address the question
 
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Hoffco

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Now, I will print another post so I can get your reactions, soo, are we going to say with many evangelicals of today,"there are many ways to Heaven." ? NOT ME ! Jesus the GOD/man is the only way, if we deny the Son, we do not have the Father. Love to all, Hoffco
 

phil36

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... Jesus is God and God is the Godhead how is that a heresy and i'm showing you what the scripture says and proving my point from the bible.
If Jesus is God and God is the Godhead//who is the God who was WITH God?

The Kesus you believe in is not the Jesus of Scripture that is why its heresy.
 

phil36

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Jesus... it is written can't you see it right there?

So there are two Gods, if Jesus is God and he was with God, that is two.. so who are the two?
 
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cfultz3

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Jesus beginning was at the beginning and yes he did create help create his beginning wasn't in mary's womb it was at the beginning of time, and you don't seem to understand what i'm talking about... "If the Word is Jesus, as you say and have said correctly, then it cannot be concluded that just because the Word took flesh upon Himself that He ceased from being the Word who created all things. Indeed, God is our Creator." God is the creator Jesus is the Word, they created man let us create Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

they both did the creating.
I do understand what you are saying Josh, I really do. And as a brother, I am trying to explain to you as to why Jesus has a beginning, but yet the Word does not. It was not Jesus who was at the beginning. It was not Jesus who is our Creator. It is the Word who was at the beginning and who is our Creator. This same Word became Jesus. This same Word remained our Creator as Jesus.

The Word is God and it was that Word who created all things and is known as Creator. Yes, they both created: the Father willed it, the Word made it so, the Spirit ordered the heavens.

This only am I trying to show you: the only reason that Jesus (the Son) has a beginning is because He, the Word, was born with flesh. Besides this, the Word remained the Creator, even while in that flesh. It cannot be said that it was Jesus who created, seeing that He has a beginning. But it is said, the Word created and the Word became the man who we know as Jesus.
 
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cfultz3

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Brother Josh,

I now leave you with Phil. May God bestow His Light upon you.

Chris
 
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josh123

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So there are two Gods, if Jesus is God and he was with God, that is two.. so who are the two?
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. [h=3]1 Corinthians 11:3[/h]
 
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Hoffco

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I trust in God, He will do what is just, no me will be cast into hell, who has never heart the Gospel, after they die, they will heard the Gospel and have an opportunity to receive Jesus. I can not prove this, but I believe God would not be just, if He didn't give everyone the opportunity to come to Jesus for salvation. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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josh123

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I do understand what you are saying Josh, I really do. And as a brother, I am trying to explain to you as to why Jesus has a beginning, but yet the Word does not. It was not Jesus who was at the beginning. It was not Jesus who is our Creator. It is the Word who was at the beginning and who is our Creator. This same Word became Jesus. This same Word remained our Creator as Jesus.

The Word is God and it was that Word who created all things and is known as Creator. Yes, they both created: the Father willed it, the Word made it so, the Spirit ordered the heavens.

This only am I trying to show you: the only reason that Jesus (the Son) has a beginning is because He, the Word, was born with flesh. Besides this, the Word remained the Creator, even while in that flesh. It cannot be said that it was Jesus who created, seeing that He has a beginning. But it is said, the Word created and the Word became the man who we know as Jesus.
but listen to this brother... it said the word( that same word that was in the beginning) was made flesh. and who was made flesh? Jesus.
 
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cfultz3

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but listen to this brother... it said the word( that same word that was in the beginning) was made flesh. and who was made flesh? Jesus.
The Word was made flesh. He, in having become the Son, was given the name of Jesus.
 
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FORHISGLORY

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Jesus is God ! The son is of the same substance as the Father.
 
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Bryancampbell

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exactly the same word from the beginning was made flesh
But the Word doesn't have a beginning, only the flesh in which the word was incarnated had the beginning, Jesus. So in actuality Jesus from the very divinity of His being was always there.
 

phil36

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exactly the same word from the beginning was made flesh
He became flesh to dwell among us. the God - man, the second person of the trinity. He was with God and was God also.
 
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josh123

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So then, the Word has no beginning and is God?
how could the word not have a beginning when the scripture says in the beginning was the word and the word was with god?
 
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Trax

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lol you clearly didn't read what i started in the beginning of my thread didn't you? i said... GOD is eternal which means no beginning or no end and i showed you the verse that proved that Jesus had a beginning
Yes, I did read it. But what you said I quoted. Yes, you said God was eternal, then went on to
establish He had a beginning. You tried to prove two opposing views.

Luk 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? (42) And David
himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(43) Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (44) David therefore calleth him Lord, how is
he then his son?

Jesus Himself quoted prophecy of Himself, where David called the Christ, Lord, that is God.
Jesus wants to know how He is David's son, when David calls Him God?

And speaking of the Christ, Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall
stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

The "root" of Jesse. The Christ, is the root of Jesse, meaning He gave life to Jesse.
When the word became flesh, isn't the beginning of the Christ, but His arrival clothed in humanity.
 
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Bryancampbell

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But if you read the last part of that verse it says "and was God" so if the Word was and is God, and as you stated God has no beginning, then neither does the Word since its God.