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John 12: vs 42-50
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees (ordained ministers of MAN lol) they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: (people loving their religions more than the WORD)
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth NOT on me, but on him that sent me.
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
And IF any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him NOT: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, has one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I HAVE NOT spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment IS life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees (ordained ministers of MAN lol) they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: (people loving their religions more than the WORD)
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth NOT on me, but on him that sent me.
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
And IF any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him NOT: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, has one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I HAVE NOT spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment IS life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
It will take a move of the Holy Spirit in order for one to understand this, as both verse 26 and verse 27 must be viewed together.
I'm going to create a thread and explain both... soon.
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josh123
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Do you see that? God is expressing himself through Jesus can you see it in that verse " whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the father said unto me, so I speak." when God sent his Holy spirit into Jesus they became a dual being and God dwell in Him, look at the born again christians brother, when we receive the Holy spirit we are talking but the spirit is expressing itself through us we become a dual being our selves with the holy spirit Jesus also prayed a prayer for this to happen for us 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11
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josh123
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i will explain fully the scripture can't say one thing one way and mean something else it must say the same thing and it does, now in gen 1:26 we see that God is talking to someone but in order they have a next person with him someone had to be created before but where and when was this other person created we go to the first chapter of john to find out 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
[h=3]John 1:1-2[/h]we later found out that this word is Jesus and this chapter is saying that in the beginning( the very beginning of creation) was the word, and the word was with god, now the important part to BEGIN is the START of something like if a match is about to start the first word the beginning of the match the umpire would say play and is his first words, which is the beginning of the match now lets go to genesis to see what was this First word the beginning, what was the first word god said 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[h=3]Genesis 1:1-4[/h]
that is the word there first thing that God said, do you see? does this make sense if you don't agree please show me why
[h=3]John 1:1-2[/h]we later found out that this word is Jesus and this chapter is saying that in the beginning( the very beginning of creation) was the word, and the word was with god, now the important part to BEGIN is the START of something like if a match is about to start the first word the beginning of the match the umpire would say play and is his first words, which is the beginning of the match now lets go to genesis to see what was this First word the beginning, what was the first word god said 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[h=3]Genesis 1:1-4[/h]
that is the word there first thing that God said, do you see? does this make sense if you don't agree please show me why
So Jesus, the word the son of God never existed before His miraculous birth. That's a very odd understanding of scripture..
No offense intended bro; but I think you may be mixing up the understandings of the beginning of this flesh realm, with the beginning of the positive universe.
For The Word represents action, and when Our Father speaks, things REALLY start to happen lol.
The Son/Sun Fully and Completely representative of OUR Father Love, in WORD, WILL & Spirit, but Almighty Power? No Christ said that this comes FROM the Father through him.
We ARE NOT to worship Christ the Son, unless of course we were here when he was, in this flesh; or IF anyone were to have a personal encounter with Melchezidek/THE Angel/Messenger of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (which I can assure you, that NO ONE will, until WE ALL do.)
When I post anything; it is presumed by me, (most likely assumed lol) that my faith is in the triune Godhead of The Father, Son and The Holy Spirit, which IS representative of the Beginning of the Positive Universe.
Or for man in his current state, the understanding of OUR secondary purpose of being here, through Mary/Joseph and Jesus/Christ/Messiah
As the FIRST purpose is to help ALL of children of The Creator, find the truth amongst the multitude of lies from man concerning Him.
Gen: 1: 3
This IS Our Father speaking; The Light IS HIS plan of Salvation in and through Christ/Messiah from the beginning of this flesh state; else explain to me what that Light He separated from the darkness IS? as He doesn't get around to the Sun, Moon and stars until the 4th day of this creation.
Father spoke it; and here we are aprox. 7000 years later still doing it, or not.
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NiceneCreed
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You know what's interesting -- the notion is made that "Jesus had a beginning and is not God -- but Jesus is part of the Godhead" (according to Josh123). Doesn't this seem contradictory to anyone besides the few of us who have vocalized our opposition to this heresy? If Jesus is not God, then how is it we have grace at all?
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josh123
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there you go again false accusations did i ever said HE ISN'T GOD? stop saying things i never said, it was God working in Jesus through the Holy spirit
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josh123
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But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. [h=3]1 Corinthians 11:3[/h]
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NiceneCreed
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By claiming Jesus was created, you are implying Jesus is not God. God has no beginning; therefore, by implying Jesus does have a beginning, you are guilty of heresy.
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josh123
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lol.. i can only tell you what the scripture says and Jesus had a beginning God did not, you just can't understand it or seem to see what the scripture is saying
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josh123
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it's write there written but none of you can come to terms with the truth... instead of accusing me of something why don't you read the scripture with an open mind to see what it is saying
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NiceneCreed
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So if God has no beginning, but you claim Jesus did, that means Jesus is not God in your view. I do not tolerate religious relativism, especially when it comes to the Holy Trinity. Someone needs to expose your lies, as it is obvious few of us are willing to do it. Some people have made numerous attempts to openly rebuke and exhort you, but you have refused to listen to reason.
You know you are right, only a few of you have vocalised your opposition to the words of From the Bible, Josh or myself, and if I recall correctly only you have used the word heresy concerning their beliefs. Does this mean others are failing in their Christian duty to you?
You know, some of you have made a god out of you' man made doctrine/demands, and as the Pharisees did in Jesus day you have condemned the innocent. I'm afraid that some of you cannot comprehend the heart of the Gospel, you are devoured by studying doctrine. And it consumes you, it leaves no place for the heart of the message. And you study it because you revel in doing so, not out of love for God, and then you hurl your condemnations at others who have the biblical belief for salvation.
But as you say, only a few of you do this, the ordained ministers don't do it, neither would most of their congregations, but a few misguided people, who have never really understood the heart of the faith do
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NiceneCreed
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You know what, I have already reported your heresy to the mods; however, it has become apparent they are going to allow this heresy to persist. No one is willing to listen to reason -- they are however willing to listen to this heresy. I hope you enjoy your forums. I am done with ChristianChat.Com.
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josh123
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the truth just offended your beliefs and the others that's all i've proven my point with the scriptures and none of you have yet to do that
What heresy have I committed?
I have completely stuck to the plain text of scripture.
Do you call it heresy to believe what is plainly written in the bible?
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josh123
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your saying there is 3 in 1 because God dwell in Jesus that is your belief correct? well look at the born again christians when we become born again with the holy spirit God comes into us like he did with Jesus