Are catholics Christian?

[homwardbound]

John_14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Thank you. I threw this one in to let you know where I am coming from.

The Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They also do not believe that He was resurrected after His death.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Co 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Co 15:15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.


Now, if the Muslims do not believe that Christ is the way to salvation, nor that He rose from the dead historically, then they cannot be saved. By endorsing this view, the Pope is basically endorsing that one billion people are going to hell, but that's OK. It is more important to have unity, and bow at the god of tolerance, than that people should be saved from hell. Is this the new love of tolerance? That we should love people into hell?

Now certainly the Protestant Reformers could be recognized as having much truth, in as much as they recognized the Bible as the inerrant word of God, and tried to live their lives in accordance with it. Did the popes also recognize this goodness and truthfulness, as they were murdering 50 million of them in the Inquisition?

WHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! needs the Doctor? Why do you hang out with the worst sort of sinners and eat with them?
How can anyone be reached as you seem you might not want them reached, Well Do you want all reached? Christ is preached and it is God's Love that reaches out not condemnation, as is what flesh does and picks sides.
The battle is not denominational. The battle is flesh against Spirit, God's Spirit.
God knows who are his and who are not ands who will be by free choice, for God has reached out to all and gone against all flesh. So let us all be careful in our flesh being judgmental as to my way or their way>
God is the only way through Christ and this by belief or unbelief and is sown in LOVE God's type which no flesh can even Fathom
So are we born again or not? is it of flesh or the Spirit of God? Did I, you or anyone else have anything to do with what God has done for the whole world, does this include the Muslims, Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, and all sects searching.
Does God only love you, or those that believe or all?

 

[watcher2013]

Is the God of Muslims - the creator ALSO the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - the creator who does not dwell in things made by hands?

 

[Fanblade]

no the catholic church is a false religion that leads to hell(Like all religions today(except true christianity)

 

[homwardbound]

Is the God of Muslims - the creator ALSO the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - the creator who does not dwell in things made by hands?

Do you think that God will forsake anyone that wants to know God, no matter what religion they might be of? God's ways are not ours, and ours are not God's.
Maybe this is why it is vitally important to be:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

 

[homwardbound]

no the catholic church is a false religion that leads to hell(Like all religions today(except true christianity)

Well then what here on earth is true Christianity? And where is the true tabernacle at?

 

[watcher2013]

Do you think that God will forsake anyone that wants to know God, no matter what religion they might be of? God's ways are not ours, and ours are not God's.
Maybe this is why it is vitally important to be:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

i will response to your question directly. NO, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not forsake those who wants to know him and to believe in Him.

Now can you answer the question directly, Is the god of the Muslim the same God of that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who does not dwell in things made by hands?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Interesting video:

[video=youtube_share;OH5rP1AVL30]http://youtu.be/OH5rP1AVL30[/video]

 

[jimmydiggs]

I find it rather sad, when people who claim to be Christian defend Catholicism. Have you not read what Paul said about false gospels?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Which part? Catholic doctrine covers a wide range of epistemology as does Protestant doctrine. For example, Catholics teach that Jesus is the Son of God: Catechism of the Catholic Church - "and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord"

If someone falsely asserts that they do not teach Jesus is the Son of God, do you find it wrong to correct that?

Personally, I find it sad when Protestants and Catholics make false assertions about each other and their doctrine which both do all the time in my observations. My interest is in accuracy so of course I explore that... and what I find is that the truth is often very different than what people think or say but certainly not always.

There are critical epistemological and exegesis issues between Protestantism and Catholicism. They are real and they are meaningful... which is why I'm a Protestant.

But that doesn't equate to I defend your misunderstandings, agree with your false condemnations, etc... nor should it.

I find it rather sad, when people who claim to be Christian defend Catholicism. Have you not read what Paul said about false gospels?

 

[homwardbound]

i will response to your question directly. NO, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not forsake those who wants to know him and to believe in Him.

Now can you answer the question directly, Is the god of the Muslim the same God of that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who does not dwell in things made by hands?

How can I answer that when I am not a Muslim or any religion here on earth. I do not judge by the external as man flesh does. And I do not judge, only one Judges me and that is God, and my conscious is clean
Thank you. for it only god that knows who is who and we are called to love all. For how can we truly Love if we only Love those that love us?
Question is answered in my honest opinion in all truth.

 

[homwardbound]

I find it rather sad, when people who claim to be Christian defend Catholicism. Have you not read what Paul said about false gospels?

Have you not understood what Christ meant when he said:
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Is it god's Love that changes a person or condemnation?

 

[watcher2013]

How can I answer that when I am not a Muslim or any religion here on earth. I do not judge by the external as man flesh does. And I do not judge, only one Judges me and that is God, and my conscious is clean
Thank you. for it only god that knows who is who and we are called to love all. For how can we truly Love if we only Love those that love us?
Question is answered in my honest opinion in all truth.

You are not a Jew and yet you know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

How can you love your enemy if you do not know your enemies?

"how can I answer that when I am not a Muslim."
"Question is answered in my honest opinion in all truth..."

Was it answered or not? Honestly.

But if you really do not know the answer, just say so.
You do not need to go through all those " judging things... Love your enemies...

The question is so simple.

 

[starfield]

Have you not understood what Christ meant when he said:
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Is it god's Love that changes a person or condemnation?

Should we defend false doctrines in the name of love?

 

[XianCatalyst]

There are many versions of catholics now, like couples for Christ, singles for Christ, but are they really Christians of the bible?

If you want to go by the Bible only, they are more Xian than protestants are by far. In fact going by the Bible Protestants (and I am one) are closer to ANTI Christ than the model to judge who else is a Xian.

 

[XianCatalyst]

Should we defend false doctrines in the name of love?

Who gave you the means to judge if it's false doctrine?

You can't show me a "false doctrine" in the Church of Rome. I was taught the same bs you probably were. When I had to dig in and do the research myself to prove my claims (rather than parrot old bigot's commentary on the topic) I learned that they were more Biblical than we were. (we being protestants.)

 

[watcher2013]

Have you not understood what Christ meant when he said:
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Is it god's Love that changes a person or condemnation?

Just throwing an opinion.

It is because of God's love the he sent his Son Jesus to the world.

[[Joh 3:17-19] KJV v 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
v 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
v 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

And in this is the truth that changed us.

[[Joh 8:32]] KJV And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Are we condemning if they have different god? Or just a problem in hearing.

[Joh 8:41-44]] KJV v 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
v 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
v 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
v 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[XianCatalyst]

This isn't logical.

Sure it is. You can be a believer and have the theology right, but get stuck in matters of dogma. MOST people who say a lot of their teachings aren't Christian, never looked into their teachings. They just know it wasn't what they were taught. Thus they freak out if something different shows up.

Here's one to start a ruckus, Catholic teaching on WORKS is 100% Biblical as a faith, (individuals may screw it around a little...) and the Protestant teachings will send people to hell. But, I wouldn't say protestants aren't "Christian".

By the way, what is a christian? If you get a room of 100 "believers" and ask for definitions you'll get 110 different answers. Who can determine who is right. rofl. It's such a narcissistic conversation, "who is Xian"? It's assuming you, the asker are.

 

[homwardbound]

You are not a Jew and yet you know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

How can you love your enemy if you do not know your enemies?

"how can I answer that when I am not a Muslim."
"Question is answered in my honest opinion in all truth..."

Was it answered or not? Honestly.

But if you really do not know the answer, just say so.
You do not need to go through all those " judging things... Love your enemies...

The question is so simple.

My trust is in God, the creator of all, and God knoweth mine enemies, I do not need to know them. God protects me and has all the days of my life, and have suffered in the flesh.
Therefore All are loved through by God, as God loves all as in 1 cor. 13:4-13. This type of love is shed abroad in ny whole new being in the Spirit of God.
Does this answer your ?

 

[homwardbound]

Should we defend false doctrines in the name of love?

All I know is to post what God has put on me to post

 

[homwardbound]

Just throwing an opinion.

It is because of God's love the he sent his Son Jesus to the world.

[[Joh 3:17-19] KJV v 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
v 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
v 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

And in this is the truth that changed us.

[[Joh 8:32]] KJV And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Are we condemning if they have different god? Or just a problem in hearing.

[Joh 8:41-44]] KJV v 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
v 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
v 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
v 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

either we have attitude problem or a perception problem. This is flesh revealed in truth.
So does God himself have either of these? I think not?
So maybe if we all learn what this below means
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

do you think we might walk in truth and love as God does?