Difference between God and Jesus

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phil36

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Hi silas,

It is what scripture says, you worship a false god. a god made up in your own mind, it is not the God of the bible. you are fooling yourself. Salvation only comes through Jesus, and that Jesus is the Go-man, the second person of the trinity.

To deny this is to deny god, you are an idolater. masquerading as light.
 

oldhermit

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Well you see, I am confused, you've just written that you accept what Christ said about the Father, you believe it to be true
Christ plainly stated the Father is the only true God, yet now you say I am silly to believe you would accept those words of Christ(I imagine) For although you accept Christ's words as true, the Father is the only true God, you appear to still be insiting a person believes Christ is God Himself to be a Christian/saved. I don't understand Phil, can you explain your thinking here please
Do you believe the Father's words about Jesus?
 
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Hi silas,

It is what scripture says, you worship a false god. a god made up in your own mind, it is not the God of the bible. you are fooling yourself. Salvation only comes through Jesus, and that Jesus is the Go-man, the second person of the trinity.

To deny this is to deny god, you are an idolater. masquerading as light.
Absolutely
Salvation only comes through Jesus, he died for our sins on the cross and if we repent of our sin and ask, him into our lives as Saviour and Lord we are saved. There is no way to the Father but by the son

How does that make me an idolator masquerading as light Phil?
 

phil36

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Absolutely
Salvation only comes through Jesus, he died for our sins on the cross and if we repent of our sin and ask, him into our lives as Saviour and Lord we are saved. There is no way to the Father but by the son

How does that make me an idolator masquerading as light Phil?
I think everyone now has seen through you silas or LBG? it took a while and a lot of posts.. but now we all know.
 
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Quickfire

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Hi Quickfire,

It's Phil36 btw.
originally posted by phil36
I will not apologise for standing for the truth.. LBG is obviously offended and insulted by the truth..oops I meant silas, I must be thinking of someone else...?

And if you are offended then there is nothing I can do about that.. but I will say again and say it very clear as I have been saying.

You cannot be a christian and DENY who Jesus says he is! If that offends , well it is truth .

I have thought again and I still stand by what I have said, for it is the truth of scripture!
I am no longer offended I was at first by your words about condemning people for not seeing things the way you do , , but like the bible says do not say angry for long, (so i am ok now praise the lord.) It is up to you what you do and say its your choice, but know this the choices you make, make you who you are, the bible says if you do not say something when you could of said something and help a brother to to see his fault and turn him from his sin, then i will be held responsible, I have shown you your fault,
you can ask the lord in your own time for forgiveness. i will not force you , but i will show you something to make you see the light, mark 13:31 heaven and earth will pass a way but my word will not pass away.

luke 17:3Pay attention to yourselves If your brother sins rebuke him and if he repents forgive him.

romans 14.1
Welcome the person who is weak in faith but not in order to argue about differences of opinion.


originally posted by you phil36 If you do not believe Jesus is God, then your not a Christian.

my reply to this was would you say that to there face,

your reply was = I certainly would.

you can argue about this all you like phil 36 but what ever way you look at this it s forcing your believes.

When you where baptized phil36 by what ever means you where baptized whether it was by water or by prayer(asking with a sincere heart did you at any time have to believe that Jesus was god to be baptized,

Can you see whats wrong with your statement. now, where talking about christians who have been baptized sealed with the holy spirit, until the day of redemption, ok phil if there not believing there Jesus God what does this mean, it could mean there new, it could mean there weak in there faith,
what does the bible say phil it says welcome those weak in faith,
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remember the question i asked you befor that phil

phil answer this question if you and phil went down to your local shop one day and your local shopkeeper said i want to learn about god and i want to become a christian, and then he said i have a a hard time understanding Jesus is God would you both be helping him by saying unless you confess Jesus is god your going to hell,,

your answer was,, It depends how much time I had..But quickly, I would say what Jesus has done for him.. why he needs to believe in Jesus.. what are the consequences of his life choices.. and ask him to earnestly seek the Lord..
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This i like so why go on to take the attitude you did, ??? but for a new believer asking you this question you should find time,
 

phil36

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Hi Quickfire,

I was wondering when you would pop up.. and though and behold standing firm for false teaching.

I have nothing to repent for Quickfire.. as I say the truth offends.

We are to proclaim the faith, we are to defend it, and contend for the faith. Unfortunatly you seem to think we are to embrace all false teachings. that is really saddening.
 
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I think everyone now has seen through you silas or LBG? it took a while and a lot of posts.. but now we all know.
You are looking through a baised lens Phil, as is all who would agree with your above statement, for you have had no answers to my questions, so have not been able to prove your point. And the further you went being unable to respond the ruder you became, that is par for the course though
 
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Hi Quickfire,

I was wondering when you would pop up.. and though and behold standing firm for false teaching.

I have nothing to repent for Quickfire.. as I say the truth offends.

We are to proclaim the faith, we are to defend it, and contend for the faith. Unfortunatly you seem to think we are to embrace all false teachings. that is really saddening.
What false teaching. Give me a verse of scripture that states we must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved, that's the debate
I've given you the plain scripture that shows what I believe, where's yours?
 
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Quickfire

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Hi Quickfire,

I was wondering when you would pop up.. and though and behold standing firm for false teaching.

I have nothing to repent for Quickfire.. as I say the truth offends.

We are to proclaim the faith, we are to defend it, and contend for the faith. Unfortunatly you seem to think we are to embrace all false teachings. that is really saddening.
och i da noo jimmy lol no answers again just false accusations,
 
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I am no longer offended I was at first by your words about condemning people for not seeing things the way you do , , but like the bible says do not say angry for long, (so i am ok now praise the lord.) It is up to you what you do and say its your choice, but know this the choices you make, make you who you are, the bible says if you do not say something when you could of said something and help a brother to to see his fault and turn him from his sin, then i will be held responsible, I have shown you your fault,
you can ask the lord in your own time for forgiveness. i will not force you , but i will show you something to make you see the light, mark 13:31 heaven and earth will pass a way but my word will not pass away.

luke 17:3Pay attention to yourselves If your brother sins rebuke him and if he repents forgive him.

romans 14.1
Welcome the person who is weak in faith but not in order to argue about differences of opinion.


originally posted by you phil36 If you do not believe Jesus is God, then your not a Christian.

my reply to this was would you say that to there face,

your reply was = I certainly would.

you can argue about this all you like phil 36 but what ever way you look at this it s forcing your believes.

When you where baptized phil36 by what ever means you where baptized whether it was by water or by prayer(asking with a sincere heart did you at any time have to believe that Jesus was god to be baptized,

Can you see whats wrong with your statement. now, where talking about christians who have been baptized sealed with the holy spirit, until the day of redemption, ok phil if there not believing there Jesus God what does this mean, it could mean there new, it could mean there weak in there faith,
what does the bible say phil it says welcome those weak in faith,
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remember the question i asked you befor that phil

phil answer this question if you and phil went down to your local shop one day and your local shopkeeper said i want to learn about god and i want to become a christian, and then he said i have a a hard time understanding Jesus is God would you both be helping him by saying unless you confess Jesus is god your going to hell,,

your answer was,, It depends how much time I had..But quickly, I would say what Jesus has done for him.. why he needs to believe in Jesus.. what are the consequences of his life choices.. and ask him to earnestly seek the Lord..
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This i like so why go on to take the attitude you did, ??? but for a new believer asking you this question you should find time,
Hi Quickfire
The difference here is in the title of Christ, not his nature
I have twice stated I believe Christ has the nature of the Father, he is the only begotten Son of God, the fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ. He is the exact representation of the Father. There is no way to the Father but through the Son. Christ reigns now in Heaven and on earth for the Father has ut everything under his feet

So the true difference is in the title of Christ. And what name must wee believe him to be to be saved/inherit eternal life?

If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God.
John4:15
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life
1John5:13

It is always constant in scripture
 

oldhermit

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Well you see, I am confused, you've just written that you accept what Christ said about the Father, you believe it to be true
Christ plainly stated the Father is the only true God, yet now you say I am silly to believe you would accept those words of Christ(I imagine) For although you accept Christ's words as true, the Father is the only true God, you appear to still be insiting a person believes Christ is God Himself to be a Christian/saved. I don't understand Phil, can you explain your thinking here please
You asked this question earlier Silas, and demanded an answer of Phil.

I will ask this question of you again. Do you believe what the Father said about the Son?
 
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josh123

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Hi Quickfire,

I was wondering when you would pop up.. and though and behold standing firm for false teaching.

I have nothing to repent for Quickfire.. as I say the truth offends.

We are to proclaim the faith, we are to defend it, and contend for the faith. Unfortunatly you seem to think we are to embrace all false teachings. that is really saddening.
wise in your own conceit... your only doing yourself wrong, your condemning your brothers because of a discussion..you won't come to the truth with that attitude, look at the pharaisees them condemned jesus because of what he was teaching because he went against what they grew up with and they didn't like it, it angered them so much they cruicified him but who had the truth in the end? i suggest you clear your mind and rethink things
 
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Quickfire

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Yes silas is promoting a false god, and you are defending him... Nice one Quickfire!
your bearing false witness there phil i was not aware that he was or has so you have no right to say i am defending that,

I think what you could of asked me was are you a aware that phil has said this or that to make you think that he is.

But no because the truth herts you your now baring false witness about me
 
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You asked this question earlier Silas, and demanded an answer of Phil.

I will ask this question of you again. Do you believe what the Father said about the Son?
Hi
I've been at this a long time with Phil today. I really can't start another conversation now with someone else. If you have scripture you want to bring to the debate please do, but one conversation/debate at a time is all I'm good for I'm afraid, but thank you for posting to me
 

phil36

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wise in your own conceit... your only doing yourself wrong, your condemning your brothers because of a discussion..you won't come to the truth with that attitude, look at the pharaisees them condemned jesus because of what he was teaching because he went against what they grew up with and they didn't like it, it angered them so much they cruicified him but who had the truth in the end? i suggest you clear your mind and rethink things
IHi Josh,

They are not my brothers, they believe in a different gospel.
 

phil36

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Not believing Jesus is God is false.. standing up for those who proclaim to be Christian and yet deny wo God is, is just as bad..if the shoe fits Quickfire....wear it!