Difference between God and Jesus

[phil36]

LOL, I did it again !! Now, I'm mad !!!

Can you tell, philly


Sorry, bro, I just was saying 'philly' when I meant to say 'cheesesteak,' I mean, I meant to say, 'brothersile,' ah, the living with these green brains can be such a bother

The Lord leads. Philly, I include you with 'cfultz and olehermitHis' so I am not addressing you on this, unless you don't believe that Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit are ALL the one true spirit of the living God who falls afresh on us all who believe and RECEIVE

Hi greenNnice

Its alright, but confusing lol. well I think you all know by now, I believe in the Christian orthodox view of God.

 

[GreenNnice]

You haven't got the courage to see it have you.(as have none of the others)
It's only a very few of you on the internet who come up with all of this. The ordained ministers don't preach it from the ;pulpit, the bible doesn't demand it, so why do a few of you on here?
Simple
You've studied hard of your natural minds, and (despite words to the contrary) you think yourself very knowledgeable in the faith, and you've learnt greatly of spiritual truth, you are proud of what you think you know, the ministers are a wee bit more spiritually mature(thank goodness)
But I'll leave you to your man made wisdom, and feeling you are spiritually very wise(in humility of course)

There are none of us here speaking with man-made wisdom, that we know of, we ALL are admittedly speaking from His Spirit within us, brothersile. And, what's more, none of us should want to judge another fellow brother in Christ, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

We are ALL wretched men and Christ alone rescues us from bodies of death, brothersile.

it is not wise either to get people to put themselves in harm's way spiritually of their salvation, this goes for all to read, including myself. The Lord leads. We are to follow Him in our life and judging others of doctrinal differences is something that should be done with MUCH wisdom and don't forget this word, 'Love.'

Really, Scripture says that we don't need to judge others, and, aren't suppose to of salvational issues, because there own denial of Jesus Christ condemns them. Again, not juding ANYONE here, I am just writing Scripture and I will try to find exact verse now.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think you are confused because, if there is only one true God, then your saying Jesus is not the true God for he is only an expression of the nature.. rather than actually being the being?
You misunderstand the dual nature of Jesus

The term GOD refers to both a nature and a being, and yet you say I'm the one that's confused?

So basically you're saying equivocation is OK as a means of supporting your theology.

 

[silas42]

There are none of us here speaking with man-made wisdom, that we know of, we ALL are admittedly speaking from His Spirit within us, brothersile. And, what's more, none of us should want to judge another fellow brother in Christ, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

We are ALL wretched men and Christ alone rescues us from bodies of death, brothersile.

it is not wise either to get people to put themselves in harm's way spiritually of their salvation, this goes for all to read, including myself. The Lord leads. We are to follow Him in our life and judging others of doctrinal differences is something that should be done with MUCH wisdom and don't forget this word, 'Love.'

Really, Scripture says that we don't need to judge others, and, aren't suppose to of salvational issues, because there own denial of Jesus Christ condemns them. Again, not juding ANYONE here, I am just writing Scripture and I will try to find exact verse now.

I'll say it again Green nice

The ordained ministers do not preach what a few of you do on the internet for they are a wee bit more mature in the faith
Neither Peter, James, John or Paul preached it either(otherwise they would have made plain the need to believe Christ was God Himself in their letters. In fact the opposite is actually stated.

Spo why do a handful of you do it on the internet, that's the real question isn't it.

I am afraid none of you who state what you do are Holy Spirit led on this, for you are contradicting the words of Christ, and it is impossible(and in Trinitarian terms) for the Spirit to lead anyone to contradict the words of Christ

But of course, something won't let you people see this will it

 

[GreenNnice]

There are none of us here speaking with man-made wisdom, that we know of, we ALL are admittedly speaking from His Spirit within us, brothersile. And, what's more, none of us should want to judge another fellow brother in Christ, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

We are ALL wretched men and Christ alone rescues us from bodies of death, brothersile.

it is not wise either to get people to put themselves in harm's way spiritually of their salvation, this goes for all to read, including myself. The Lord leads. We are to follow Him in our life and judging others of doctrinal differences is something that should be done with MUCH wisdom and don't forget this word, 'Love.'

Really, Scripture says that we don't need to judge others, and, aren't suppose to of salvational issues, because there own denial of Jesus Christ condemns them. Again, not juding ANYONE here, I am just writing Scripture and I will try to find exact verse now.

1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.

3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.


A good question can be then, is saying that Jesus is God or is not God, a self-condemning thing ?
I will never answer that for someone, that is between them and the Lord because I KNOW that person has chosen Christ in their heart and they are just not understanding things correctly, and, I KNOW, in His timing, all things are made known (revealed) by His Holy Spirit in us

 

[silas42]

1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.

3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.


A good question can be then, is saying that Jesus is God or is not God, a self-condemning thing ?
I will never answer that for someone, that is between them and the Lord because I KNOW that person has chosen Christ in their heart and they are just not understanding things correctly, and, I KNOW, in His timing, all things are made known (revealed) by His Holy Spirit in us

Well if it means condemnation not to believe Christ is God Himself the ordained ministers are going to have a lot to answer for on the day of judgement aren't they, because they don't preach it. In fact if that was correct, they shouldn't be allowed to preach, for we all know they are obligated to preach salvation belief plainly from the pulpit, but its OK, I know that's impossible for you to address
Maybe you think its just been left to a handful of you on the internet to state the truth

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

For all of those who think it is offensive to say that Jesus isn't the one true GOD (even though he is GOD) are you equally offended to hear that your body which returns to dust is not the one true you (even though it is you)?

 

[phil36]

The term GOD refers to both a nature and a being, and yet you say I'm the one that's confused?

So basically you're saying equivocation is OK as a means of supporting your theology.

Nope, I am saying that the Father, Son and Holy spirit are one being, yet three distinct persons. All co equal and co eternal (Jesus has a dual nature, both divine and human).


God is the supreme being, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, that is who the true one being God is (Father , son and Holy Spirit)

 

[phil36]

For all of those who think it is offensive to say that Jesus isn't the one true GOD (even though he is GOD) are you equally offended to hear that your body which returns to dust is not the one true you (even though it is you)?

MMMmm so Jesus is not the one true God..yet he is God? and is the Holy Spirit another god aswell?

 

[GreenNnice]

The term GOD refers to both a nature and a being, and yet you say I'm the one that's confused?

So basically you're saying equivocation is OK as a means of supporting your theology.

e·quiv·o·ca·tion
iˌkwivəˈkāSHən

noun
noun: equivocation; plural noun: equivocations
1.
the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication

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the·ol·o·gy
THēˈäləjē
noun
noun: theology
1.
the study of the nature of God and religious belief.



risenfromdead, I'm curious, your flag states you are from a Muslim country, no?

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Philly, God is spirit, too, that is told us in Scripture, so the nature of Jesus is not actually dual but tri Jesus, God, Holy Spirit. Three manifestations, one God

Before Jesus leaves Earth , He tells the disciples of His that He is going to bring them a 'Helper' who will help them in life. This Helper is the Holy Spirit. So, He comes AFTER Jesus leaves, explained in Acts. So, I know you know all this, I am just stating it, so, Jesus is God AND The Holy Spirit. Just as God is Jesus AND the Holy Spirit. This tri relationship shows Christ, therefore, as not just a dual nature of fully God and fully man, but also fully spirit of God, too. 'Course, it's easily said that since Jesus is fully God that that infers Truth fully that Jesus is spirit too, just like God , which is true

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God is the supreme being, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, that is who the true one being God is (Father , son and Holy Spirit)

That's something that's obviously not taught in the bible. Jesus wasn't omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent. He wasn't able to do anything except he received it from the father through the spirit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

MMMmm so Jesus is not the one true God..yet he is God? and is the Holy Spirit another god aswell?

GOD is spirit; GOD is holy; so obviously holy spirit is part of the godhead.

 

[GreenNnice]

I'll say it again Green nice

The ordained ministers do not preach what a few of you do on the internet for they are a wee bit more mature in the faith
Neither Peter, James, John or Paul preached it either(otherwise they would have made plain the need to believe Christ was God Himself in their letters. In fact the opposite is actually stated.

Spo why do a handful of you do it on the internet, that's the real question isn't it.

I am afraid none of you who state what you do are Holy Spirit led on this, for you are contradicting the words of Christ, and it is impossible(and in Trinitarian terms) for the Spirit to lead anyone to contradict the words of Christ

But of course, something won't let you people see this will it

I would like for you to answer post #766, and, again, I am not condemning you for not believing Jesus is God, that's NEVER been what I'm saying, but, the Truth is that we are to believe in one God and Jesus is a PART of the Godhead, so, is the Holy Spirit and these three act as ONE . But, as I said, I would like you to answer post #766 if you could about Jesus being with God before the foundation of the world, and, that Jesus is referenced the foundation in 1 Cor. 3 and that the 'will of My Father' speaks of when Jesus was on EArth and relates directly to John 21:22 , when Jesus is speaking to Peter and tells Peter how powerful HE really is WILL you do that, brothersile ?

 

[phil36]

GOD is spirit; GOD is holy; so obviously holy spirit is part of the godhead.

God is Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not a separate person,, if the Holy Spirit is God, who is God? I thought you said the Father is the true God?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

risenfromdead, I'm curious, your flag states you are from a Muslim country, no?

Don't believe everything you see. I like interesting/pretty flags, and I cycle through them to find ones I like. No deception intended or even conceived of. next...

 

[silas42]

I would like for you to answer post #766, and, again, I am not condemning you for not believing Jesus is God, that's NEVER been what I'm saying, but, the Truth is that we are to believe in one God and Jesus is a PART of the Godhead, so, is the Holy Spirit and these three act as ONE . But, as I said, I would like you to answer post #766 if you could about Jesus being with God before the foundation of the world, and, that Jesus is referenced the foundation in 1 Cor. 3 and that the 'will of My Father' speaks of when Jesus was on EArth and relates directly to John 21:22 , when Jesus is speaking to Peter and tells Peter how powerful HE really is WILL you do that, brothersile ?

Well you have just ignored all my points Green nice, this is getting monotonous. Jesus plainly stated only the Father was the one true God, though we know Christ came in the name of the Lord, and now has the 'title' God.

I'm afraid your offering me nothing here, and refuse to address my points, so not much point in continuing.

 

[silas42]

I would like for you to answer post #766, and, again, I am not condemning you for not believing Jesus is God, that's NEVER been what I'm saying, but, the Truth is that we are to believe in one God and Jesus is a PART of the Godhead, so, is the Holy Spirit and these three act as ONE . But, as I said, I would like you to answer post #766 if you could about Jesus being with God before the foundation of the world, and, that Jesus is referenced the foundation in 1 Cor. 3 and that the 'will of My Father' speaks of when Jesus was on EArth and relates directly to John 21:22 , when Jesus is speaking to Peter and tells Peter how powerful HE really is WILL you do that, brothersile ?

Lets see just how spiritually discerning you can be. Christ has the nature of God. The fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, he is the exact representation of the Father, he reveals the Father to us, there is no way to the Father but by the Son, and Christ died for our sins on the cross. If we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour, believing he is the only begotten Son of God, born of the virgin Mary, conceived by the Spirit, we are saved

Now a very simple question
Is that salvational belief according to you, or is something missing?
And if something is missing, what is it?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God is Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not a separate person,,

No, the holy spirit is not a person. What a bizarre thing to say. A person by definition has a body, and spirit by definition does not have a body.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39
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...if the Holy Spirit is God, who is God? I thought you said the Father is the true God?

This is a good question and indeed a mystery. The way I see it is the holy spirit emanates from the holiest place where the one true GOD dwells in order to interact with his creation. The one true GOD cannot interact with his creation directly because he is much, much too holy. Thus the holy spirit. That is why the one true GOD remains separated from us, and can only interact with us through holy spirit, until the time when Christ overthrows all sin and rebellion.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Revelation 21:2-3
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[GreenNnice]

Don't believe everything you see. I like interesting/pretty flags, and I cycle through them to find ones I like. No deception intended or even conceived of. next...

Interesting. I'm not saying that word to be snide either, just, it's interesting, your answer to me above. But why not put the flag of the country you are from? Whatever, anyway, risenfromdead, that's between you and God how you portray who you are nationality-wise. I was just pointing that out, LOL, it is conceived because you have that flag, and, now, though, the perception has changed, thanks for explaining, the Lord leads.

"...you follow Me." John 21:22

 

[Jehanne]

hello they shall call his name the manuel the u man (le means the)----the NAME YHWH in "hebrew" looks like? what are X Y chromosomes? book GENESis YHWH took a RIBosome from atom gave to it a partner comPARABLE to it---why do You speak to them in parables? He YHWH then took them and explained to them the parables---only YHWH speaks in YHWH Holy Bible --- the word Christ means anointed -- the book is called genes--so how did the word become flesh? where does YHWH live? YHWH does not live in temples made with hands--when ever one or more get together there I YHWH am -- I YHWH am coming quickly I YHWH am the alpha --- what is the numeric value of alpha? what is the numeric value of Hydrogen = 1---do not worry you are with child of The Holy Spirit---what is the holy ghost? what is ego? what does Matthew 4 mean? Matthew 3 if Jesus was God Himself or some VIP servant with the only line in the sky to YHWH why would he come up out of the water and a voice say this is My son in whom I am well pleased--then up to the mountain to be tempted by the liar?---given the right to be called sons and daughters of YHWH--the book is called genes---what has the power to bind? what is sudomurin?.yes.j