Sabbath Confusion

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Hizikyah

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Jesus is not the Sabbath. He said Remember the Sabbath ( seventh day) and keep it holy. The Seventh day is a sign that identifies Gods people bar none. Although there may be Christians who keep or that is observe Sunday, it does not point to God. It points away for Him and His truth.
Praise Yahweh brother, there is only 1 mark of Yahweh

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh
Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
 

Hizikyah

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Christ came to fulfill the Commandments by doing the Commandments. Yet somehow you think to fulfill the requirements is a removal of them? Christ showed you how to fulfill the Law by DOING it. And your idea is to fulfill the Law by doing away with it?
The churches pound that false doctrine of done away into the mods of the peole over and over. All you have to do is read it.

Mattithyah 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

It seems most people only read the first 4 words, "Do not even think."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Lets break this down
17Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. – First off twice in this one verse Yahshua says He “did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” He said He came to “fulfill/establish them.” Lets let scripture interpret scripture –

Acts 3:18, “But those things which Yahweh foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that the Messiah must suffer, He has fulfilled this.”

Mattithyah 1:21-23, “And she will give birth to a Son and you will call His Name YAHSHUA; (Yahweh is Salvation); for Yahweh will save His people from their sins. Now all this was done to fulfill what Yahweh had spoken through the prophet (Isayah 7:14), saying: Behold a virgin will conceive, and bear a Son, and will bring forth the sign IMMANUYAH-which means that Yahweh Of Hosts Is With Us.
Matt 2:15, “And remained there until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what Yahweh had spoken by the prophet (Hosheyah 11:1) saying: from Egypt I have called My Son.”
Matt 2:17, “Then what was spoken by Yeremayh (Jeremiah 31:15) the prophet was fulfilled; a voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation and bitter weeping; Rachel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were no more.”
Matt 2:23, “And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophets (Zecharyah 3:8 & 6:12); He will be called a Nazarene.”
Matt 4:14-16, “To fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isayah (9:1-2), saying; the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, by the way of the sea, beyond Yardan, in Galilee of the Gentiles; the people who walked in darkness have seen a great Light; they who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them the Light has shined.”
Matt 8:17, “This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isayah (53:5), saying: He was bruised for our iniquities, and by His stripes we are healed.”
Matt 12:17-20, “That it would be fulfilled what was spoken through Isayah (42:1-3) the prophet, saying: Behold! My Servant Whom I have chosen! My Elect One in Whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He will not cry, nor lift up His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench; until He brings forth judgment in truth.”
Matt 13:14-15, “And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isayah (6:9-10), which says: you will hear without ceasing, but you will not understand. You will see without ceasing, but you will not perceive . Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, or they will see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and healed.”

Matt 13:35, “ That it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet (Psalm 78:2) saying: I will open My mouth in a parable. I will utter dark sayings-which have been kept secret since the foundation of the world.”

Matt 21:4-5, “All this was done to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet (Zecharyah 9:9), saying: rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout for joy, O daughter of Yerusalem! Behold, your King comes to you. He is just and lowly, and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.”

Matt 26:53-56, “Do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, Who at once would give Me more than twelve legions of malakim? But then, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that all this must be so? At that same time, Yahshua said to the multitudes; have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you teaching in the sacred precincts, and you did not arrest Me. But all this has been done, so that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples abandoned Him, and fled.”

Matt 27:9-10, “Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Zecharyah (11:12-13) the prophet, saying: so they weighed for My price thirty pieces of silver, that considerable price that I was valued by them whom they of the children of Israyl had agreed to pay, and used them for the Potter’s Field, as Yahweh had appointed Me.”

Matt 27:35, “They nailed Him to a stake, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet (Psalm 22:18): they divide My garments among them, and for My tallit they cast lots.”

Mark 14:49, 15:28, Luke 1:20, 4:21, 21:22, 21:32, 24:44, Yach (Jn) 12:38-41), 13:18, 15:25, 17:12, 18:9, 18:32, 19:24, 19:24, 19:36
All these are amazing prophecies that our Messiah fulfilled.
17 Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to (fulfill) establish them. – First off twice in this one verse Yahshua says He “did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” He said He came to “fulfill/establish them.”
 

Hizikyah

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The crazy part is none say, I wonder if they really are Mystery babylon, did they really change that, im going to look into that, or if this is true I need to find out, etc.

Just fight fight fight against the words of Yahweh
 

john832

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I do not know what Bible you are reading that states that " the whole world is the Church". The majority of this World is not much of anything as far as Christianity is concerned. Only a very select few understand Gods word at this day and time and only those who have His Spirit dwelling in them.
Perhaps this explains his comment...


Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 
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Jesus is not the Sabbath, He created the Sabbath. Reducing Him to somethin He created is bordering on blasphemy.
The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Who did Jesus come for? Man. To place the Sabbath above the work of the cross, does not border blasphemy, it is. The cross is God's ultimate act to save humanity and not laws or sabbaths. Paul said let no man judge you in food or drink or sabbaths, because or faith is to be firmly placed in what God did and not what we do. Our righteousness is a filthy rag. Praise be to Jesus giving himself on the cross, His blood makes me righteous and absolutely no law can do that. Is your faith in law or the work of the cross? If you pick law. then you need to get saved.
 
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The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Who did Jesus come for? Man. To place the Sabbath above the work of the cross, does not border blasphemy, it is. The cross is God's ultimate act to save humanity and not laws or sabbaths. Paul said let no man judge you in food or drink or sabbaths, because or faith is to be firmly placed in what God did and not what we do. Our righteousness is a filthy rag. Praise be to Jesus giving himself on the cross, His blood makes me righteous and absolutely no law can do that. Is your faith in law or the work of the cross? If you pick law. then you need to get saved.
I'm sorry, but your answer doesn't begin to address the issue. The fact it was made for man, by God, and man said that isn't good enough we want it one day later..... is like Abraham saying Ok God I'll go up the mountain and sacrifice Isaac, wink wink, (psst go get a ram.... follow me) Or Gideon calling the troops back and saying I'll take over God your idea of charging with 300 people is just suicide, who do you think you are, GOD?

Paul's verse on the sabbaths did not deal with the SABBATH DAY but all the other sabbaths. The SABBBATH DAY would not have b een included in that comment. Get with ANY hebrew heritage person and have them discuss the different sabbaths with you. The fact Paul goes on to talk about the new moons, and such SHOWS he's referring to all the extra sabbaths the jewish people followed, NOT the Sabbath Day.

The sabbath day was established at creation. God didn't make it holy to remind HIMSELF OF THE DAY, but to remind US OF THE DAY. From Genesis it's been set apart.

It was reinforced with the Decalogue. Remember the sabbath (the day) and keep it holy. It recurred every 7 days.

Paul says that if you break one part of a covenant you break the whole covenant. If you choose to take the Sabbath day out of the decalogue creating a new covenant for yourself to recognize, you just spit in God's face and told him that " I'm gonna fix this for you..."

The Sabbath Day was the most defended commandment by Christ in the NEw Testament. He had at least a half dozen times to foreshadow a change in it. RATHER HE DEFENDED IT AS IT STOOD but directed the Hebrew people to understand and get it right.

Your thoughts are parroted teachings of other people. I encourage you to do the study yourself.
 

john832

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The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Who did Jesus come for? Man. To place the Sabbath above the work of the cross, does not border blasphemy, it is. The cross is God's ultimate act to save humanity and not laws or sabbaths. Paul said let no man judge you in food or drink or sabbaths, because or faith is to be firmly placed in what God did and not what we do. Our righteousness is a filthy rag. Praise be to Jesus giving himself on the cross, His blood makes me righteous and absolutely no law can do that. Is your faith in law or the work of the cross? If you pick law. then you need to get saved.
Got a scripture that says Christ replaced the Sabbath?
 
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Got a scripture that says Christ replaced the Sabbath?
Luke 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”
 

Hizikyah

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Originally Posted by john832

Got a scripture that says Christ replaced the Sabbath?


Luke 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

That dosen't replace anything, those are the 2 greatest commandments.

Deuteronoly 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Leviticus 19:18, "Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor
as yourself. I am Yahweh."
 
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Luke 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”
Not keeping Sabbath means death, which is the opposite of “do this and you will live.”

Ex 31:12 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
 
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Luke 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”
You failed to fulfill his request.

Tell me, why did Jesus DEFEND THE SABBATH SO MANY TIMES AGAINST THE PHARISEES AND RABBIS if He was going to do away with it?

What does it mean when Paul teaches if you break one part of the law, you break the whole covenant and it's gone? And yet, you wish to propose that ONE COVENANT, written in Stone, not paper, not word of mouth, has had one part of it done away with, without a proclamation from God and a renewed covenant.

that's insane. That's like telling GOD why you are saved and expecting Him to say, "OH I get it now!"
 
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who is this paul? only YHWH speaks in YHWH Holy Bible---the letters of paul are difficult to understand by those not taught Truth---what is a day to YHWH? what does you shall do no work mean? if you lost 10 slave jobs and your leaven burning car broke down 10 times would you begin to "think" you shall do no work Honor The Sabbath be not of the world? or would you continue to fight The Almighty?---so do tell how some Jesus was supposed to be afixed to a cross of war for 3 full hours and how that saves anyone rather than YHWH given prophesy? Exodus 20:13 you shall not murder. some servant was given authority ever to over ride YHWH law carved in stone? non but pagans often think that some sort of human sacrifice was needed for evolution to take place on YHWH pre programed time table? non----also speak to the children of IS REAL tell them I Am REAL I exist I am the God of Abraham the God of Isaac the God of Jacob and My NAME is YHWH forever--not Jesus not yesuwa not mohamad not adonia -- YHWH for letters-----they have no rest day and night those that follow after the beast money front and center at all times beast money beast money beast money me me me me me me ego ego ego ego power power power.yes.j
 
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how do we enter The Kingdom?--are you following the law?--yes since my youth--excellent what we are doing is NO work no beast money none--what?---law one, if you will not sell all that you have and give to the poor than you can not be My disciple ---sell? or give it away? why would we sell if we are dismantling the monetary system? is there a middle way with beast money? non.yes.j
 
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You failed to fulfill his request.

Tell me, why did Jesus DEFEND THE SABBATH SO MANY TIMES AGAINST THE PHARISEES AND RABBIS if He was going to do away with it?
Because Jesus, the Pharisees, and the Rabbis were all children of Israel, not gentile Christians.

Deut 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day. (NASB)

What does it mean when Paul teaches if you break one part of the law, you break the whole covenant and it's gone? And yet, you wish to propose that ONE COVENANT, written in Stone, not paper, not word of mouth, has had one part of it done away with, without a proclamation from God and a renewed covenant.
The Apostle Paul means the exactly the same thing as the Mosaic law: follow all of the Mosaic law, or none of it.

Deut 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ (NASB)

Jesus, who is God, announced the New Covenant at the Last Supper.

Matt 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for (B)many for forgiveness of sins. (NASB)

that's insane. That's like telling GOD why you are saved and expecting Him to say, "OH I get it now!"
The insanity is suggesting that Jesus not God. He tells us how and why we're saved in the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
 

Hizikyah

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Sabbath has ALWAYS been for gentiles too:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 
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who is this paul? only YHWH speaks in YHWH Holy Bible---the letters of paul are difficult to understand by those not taught Truth---what is a day to YHWH? what does you shall do no work mean? if you lost 10 slave jobs and your leaven burning car broke down 10 times would you begin to "think" you shall do no work Honor The Sabbath be not of the world? or would you continue to fight The Almighty?---so do tell how some Jesus was supposed to be afixed to a cross of war for 3 full hours and how that saves anyone rather than YHWH given prophesy? Exodus 20:13 you shall not murder. some servant was given authority ever to over ride YHWH law carved in stone? non but pagans often think that some sort of human sacrifice was needed for evolution to take place on YHWH pre programed time table? non----also speak to the children of IS REAL tell them I Am REAL I exist I am the God of Abraham the God of Isaac the God of Jacob and My NAME is YHWH forever--not Jesus not yesuwa not mohamad not adonia -- YHWH for letters-----they have no rest day and night those that follow after the beast money front and center at all times beast money beast money beast money me me me me me me ego ego ego ego power power power.yes.j

Paul was one of the people hand chosen by God to form His Church on earth. Same as all the other prophets that recorded any other words you wish to attribute to YHWH. So if you wish to condemn PAUL, then you condemn the whole Bible and we have nothing to discuss.

As it stands, you seem to say the Bible, where you get your understanding of GOD, is broken and has wrong information in it, in this case, namely, Paul's.

But the rest of the information is ok, but it too was recorded by man.

That's just backwards thinking.
 
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Because Jesus, the Pharisees, and the Rabbis were all children of Israel, not gentile Christians.

Deut 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day. (NASB)


So what? In christ's church there is no jew or gentile. Why do you try to suggest there are two different covenants for two peoples when that can't be the case in Christ's Church? I already said this btw.


The Apostle Paul means the exactly the same thing as the Mosaic law: follow all of the Mosaic law, or none of it.

Deut 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ (NASB)


NO SIR, the Levitical laws were the ones with circumcision per person.A THOSE are the ones PAUL discussed. The DECALOGUE was before the laws of Levi and Aaron. It's a different covenant. You try to lump them all together, which is convenient for you but not biblical.

ALSO even if you DID lump them all together, than Paul's teaching would say that taking the Sabbath out breaks them al anyway. So, what's your point?

Jesus, who is God, announced the New Covenant at the Last Supper.

Matt 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for (B)many for forgiveness of sins. (NASB)


Jesus is not God, that's heresy. He is of one essence, together and separate with God. BUT GOD'S WISDOM, which dwarfs yours and mine, chose to present them separately in the Bible. You have to condense them to one in your mind to suit your theological beliefs. You bend the bible to your mind, not your mind to the bible.

The insanity is suggesting that Jesus not God. He tells us how and why we're saved in the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
I'm glad your insanity isn't contagious.

WHY DID GOD CHOOSE TO PRESENT JESUS AS SEPARATE FROM GOD THEN?

And how many other mistakes did he make that you are here to correct for us?
 
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Sabbath has ALWAYS been for gentiles too:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Sure, but from genesis 1 it has been for mankind and all of adam and his progeny. There are no jews nor gentiles in the Church that Christ founded. So jewish laws weren't even written at the time of the church Christ's church is founded on, existed.
 
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We are to keep the Sabbath by resting that day and allow God to take over our lives, not live by our work that day.
We are to do our work the other days, and worship God on those days.

Every other scripture that the Lord has given us must fit into those parameters.