The Old vs The New
- Thread starter ProveMeWrong
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
If you read the Old Testament after reading the New Testament a few times, you see direct correlations from those events and how they are physical representations of what is in the New Testament. The Bible is the heart of prophecy, and the only way to understand that is to have open eyes while you read it. There are many "types" in the Old Testament that represent people, especially Jesus, in the New Testament. Many of the things that happened in the Old Testament were orchestrated in such a way that the New Testament "fulfilled" or completed what couldn't have been understood originally.
I'm really not very good at explaining this. One example is Jonah in the whale. Jonah was a type for Jesus as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, so was Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the grave.
I'm really not very good at explaining this. One example is Jonah in the whale. Jonah was a type for Jesus as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, so was Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the grave.
Nice of you for replying Bryan or Mr Campbell (however you like it)
Firstly can I ask you which Bible you follow
I dont understand the differences in the bible itself and how many different types of bibles there are. I believe there should only be 1 bible, or gospel but lets not start a topic on that instead sticking to the current one
Firstly can I ask you which Bible you follow
I dont understand the differences in the bible itself and how many different types of bibles there are. I believe there should only be 1 bible, or gospel but lets not start a topic on that instead sticking to the current one
B
You see my friend, I am not the most smartest man in theology, but the like forthangel said, the old testament represented things of the new testament. God told the Jews in one of the first parts of the old testament to obey a certain law and through it to observe everything it taught. But the new testament reveals what the law actually represented in spiritual things. Like sacrificing an animal was required for your sins, but it was just foreshadowing Christ's death as the world's sacrifice. The list goes on. What the new testament taught, was the spiritual and revealed things that the old testament talked about it. And just as forthangel said, Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, which represented Jesus being dead for three days, but then resurrected just as Jonah was no longer in the belly. It's a one coherent book called the bible that make it up. 
CoooCaw, it suprises me how you have the internet to help you out with the spelling of names and yet you make a mistake. Firstly you spell his name is Prophet Muhammed. Second it surprises me how of every argument I get into with a christian they always use something from Judaism to prove their point in this case the Rabbi . A Jewish person himself would disagree with what you say. Where on earth did you get these allegations from
Peace be with you, i know you are confused about Christianity and the Bible. This is not surprising to us because as it is written by Isaiah the Prophets that; "GOD has blinded the minds of unbelievers. They will see and see but they cannot see. They will hear and hear but they cannot hear."
Only GOD can draw us to know and draw us near to the MESSIAH in the Holy Bible. For the HOLY SPIRIT placed in us is our true Helper teaching us in knowing all these things.
Unless you truly repent and take the step to Baptism, that is not only to be born again of water but also be born again of the HOLY SPIRIT, you will never see the Kingdom of GOD in the Holy Bible.
Your opinion and believes doesn't count or matter because ours is all based on faith, a gift of GOD placed in us to grow.
There is an invisible veil covering the unbelieving Jews and Muslims as the veil that covered the face of Moses. Only JESUS can remove this veil in order to see HIM as the true MESSIAH.
Many Muslims have testified meeting JESUS in their times of desperation and danger. From then on they put their faith in Him, 'ISA ALMASIH'. Also in faith, knowing that we are Christian, they would come to us to know more about GOD 's Kingdom came through the MESSIAH.
Angel Gaberial appeared to Nabi Muhammad and instructed him to learn from the people of the Torah and the Good News. But when he went to meet them he did not humble himself to learn from them but he challenged them. In so they sadly disregarded his claims and he left with bitterness towards them. Later he was also tormented by a gin (demon) giving him false message because he later confessed it and gave a new message in exchange of the previous one. (spiritually not consistant). In the Old Testament a fallen King of Israel who disobeyed GOD faced the same problem, tormented by an evil spirit and his character was not consistant to lead.
Don't you see the same that you are doing in this forum as his believer, as when he initially started and come to teach us what should be and what should not be.
The truth hurts, for HOLY SPIRIT's Words has pierced you like the sharpest double edged sword. Be not be discouraged but turn back to GOD from all your inner hidden sins and ask HIM to show the MESSIAH. GOD has made the New Covenant that only the MESSIAH can forgive sins and allow entrance to HIS Kingdom.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST grant you Salvation.
To I AM that I AM, through CHRIST, is All Glory, All Honor and All Power forever and ever, Amen.
Only GOD can draw us to know and draw us near to the MESSIAH in the Holy Bible. For the HOLY SPIRIT placed in us is our true Helper teaching us in knowing all these things.
Unless you truly repent and take the step to Baptism, that is not only to be born again of water but also be born again of the HOLY SPIRIT, you will never see the Kingdom of GOD in the Holy Bible.
Your opinion and believes doesn't count or matter because ours is all based on faith, a gift of GOD placed in us to grow.
There is an invisible veil covering the unbelieving Jews and Muslims as the veil that covered the face of Moses. Only JESUS can remove this veil in order to see HIM as the true MESSIAH.
Many Muslims have testified meeting JESUS in their times of desperation and danger. From then on they put their faith in Him, 'ISA ALMASIH'. Also in faith, knowing that we are Christian, they would come to us to know more about GOD 's Kingdom came through the MESSIAH.
Angel Gaberial appeared to Nabi Muhammad and instructed him to learn from the people of the Torah and the Good News. But when he went to meet them he did not humble himself to learn from them but he challenged them. In so they sadly disregarded his claims and he left with bitterness towards them. Later he was also tormented by a gin (demon) giving him false message because he later confessed it and gave a new message in exchange of the previous one. (spiritually not consistant). In the Old Testament a fallen King of Israel who disobeyed GOD faced the same problem, tormented by an evil spirit and his character was not consistant to lead.
Don't you see the same that you are doing in this forum as his believer, as when he initially started and come to teach us what should be and what should not be.
The truth hurts, for HOLY SPIRIT's Words has pierced you like the sharpest double edged sword. Be not be discouraged but turn back to GOD from all your inner hidden sins and ask HIM to show the MESSIAH. GOD has made the New Covenant that only the MESSIAH can forgive sins and allow entrance to HIS Kingdom.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST grant you Salvation.
To I AM that I AM, through CHRIST, is All Glory, All Honor and All Power forever and ever, Amen.
Last edited:
It is basically impossible to prove to you who the whole bible is truth and not confusing, or is logical in a single thread. So please just isolate one or two passages, that you find confusing or illogical and we'll try to give you understanding.
Do you truly want understanding? Or did you just come here to pick a fight?
Do you truly want understanding? Or did you just come here to pick a fight?
S
Old testament speaks abt the law God gave to the Jews and New testament speaks abt the fulfillment of the laws by Jesus Christ.
Hb 9:16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Testament in this verse is the old testament, testator who died is Jesus Christ.
There are different ages in bible. The age in the old testament is an age and new testament is differnt age. Old testament stage can be reffered as 1st grade in which law was important. New testament is 2nd grade where faith has a role.
there is no confusion in it. Abraham was promised in the old testament that a seed will be born to save the whole world. Nobody was able to fulfill the law until Jesus came and fulfilled it for us. Now we are under "law of liberty" and God fulfilled his promise of putting the law in heart
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Now we are under this covenant. Proof- holy spirit.
God has a plan, he works accordingly. different stages.
1. old testament stage with the law
2. new testament with faith
3. Kingdom of God with eternal life
4 .......
5 ........
We will soon know all the work of God, when we are with God.
May the peace of God be with u
Hb 9:16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Testament in this verse is the old testament, testator who died is Jesus Christ.
There are different ages in bible. The age in the old testament is an age and new testament is differnt age. Old testament stage can be reffered as 1st grade in which law was important. New testament is 2nd grade where faith has a role.
there is no confusion in it. Abraham was promised in the old testament that a seed will be born to save the whole world. Nobody was able to fulfill the law until Jesus came and fulfilled it for us. Now we are under "law of liberty" and God fulfilled his promise of putting the law in heart
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Now we are under this covenant. Proof- holy spirit.
God has a plan, he works accordingly. different stages.
1. old testament stage with the law
2. new testament with faith
3. Kingdom of God with eternal life
4 .......
5 ........
We will soon know all the work of God, when we are with God.
May the peace of God be with u
R
Aye, and I believe this is how Jesus, at a very early age, before and at the age of twelve, was able to receive instruction and His commission from the Father, not excluding personal conversation of course. And us too!
Ezekiel for example has God instructing the "Son of man" over and over, and Jesus referred to Himself as that guy.
And don't worry too much about the translation. If you have the right kind of love, God can speak to you from any of them. All of them have translation errors, and all of them still tell the stories good enough that you can dig the emotions in the stories out.
Ezekiel for example has God instructing the "Son of man" over and over, and Jesus referred to Himself as that guy.
And don't worry too much about the translation. If you have the right kind of love, God can speak to you from any of them. All of them have translation errors, and all of them still tell the stories good enough that you can dig the emotions in the stories out.
Last edited by a moderator:
I believe it is 1 book no old no new
Words of Yahshua the Messiah (called Jesus)
Mattithayh 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
All Laws are still intact, the book of Hebrews makes it clear the the Priestly Laws have been transferred to Yahshua. And even Sacrificial Laws are not done away, us having been born 2000 years later, need those Laws in place to have our past sins for given. If they were done away, we could not accept cleansing.
Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."
Also ProveMEWrong please watch this video, I don't agree with the SDA, however there are somethings I think muslims should see in it.
216 - The Islamic Connection - Amazing Discoveries TV
Words of Yahshua the Messiah (called Jesus)
Mattithayh 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
All Laws are still intact, the book of Hebrews makes it clear the the Priestly Laws have been transferred to Yahshua. And even Sacrificial Laws are not done away, us having been born 2000 years later, need those Laws in place to have our past sins for given. If they were done away, we could not accept cleansing.
Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."
Also ProveMEWrong please watch this video, I don't agree with the SDA, however there are somethings I think muslims should see in it.
216 - The Islamic Connection - Amazing Discoveries TV
The story of Yeshua, Jesus, begins in Genesis. As pertaining to those who have faith in the Messiah, we reject that which is allied with corruption in favor of putting on that which is incorruptible, unlike other religions which preach a kind of second heaven and earth requiring reproduction. We look forward to being just like our Savior, Yeshua. No one will be He, but it is more than enough to be like He. No one could possibly worship the corruptible. The Bible is one Book, and all the writings coincide providing the reader is taught by the Holy Spirit.
Asking God that question isn't logical, anymore then saying can God create a 2 sided triangle. We don't suppose the earth is center anymore, because of logic. It wasn't logical to suggest that when the evidence gathered by fairly modernized tools where invented that opposed that viewpoint.
I'm not quite understanding what your getting at asking me to clarify logic. I know you're an intellectual, so maybe you come down to my level and help me understand what your driving at?
I'm not quite understanding what your getting at asking me to clarify logic. I know you're an intellectual, so maybe you come down to my level and help me understand what your driving at?