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Quickfire
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I dont know if what you say is true or not because i have herd your explanation and i have herd brians and sila42 and others, I understand that farther was in Jesus and was in the farther, but i am on milk also, I have no shame in admitting i don't fully understand the godhead, sila42 also told me he was no minister just a poor christian looking to fellowship and stay in the word,The FULL Godhead dwells in the body of Christ, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They are one. VERY important understanding.
I kept answering brothersile (I'm not going to judge him, I don't agree with him, but, he could still be a seeking Christian, or, Christian, even, being of 'milk' learning does not make one not a Christian. He is just not able to have God revelaed to Him in the flesh and Spirit both in His heart , that is what we need to pray for brothersilas, which I don't know why but as 1 Cor. and 1 John 2 state , the Spirit teaches and reveals all we learn of Truth. We all learn in His timing, as Scripture says everything is in His 'due time.'
So, when the Spirit is IN the body of Christ, that is same as Jesus and God , too, they are one, and, yes, Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, that is true, but, Jesus is in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is in Jesus and Jesus is in God and God is in Jesus. This, too, was Scripture of John 17 that I was wanting brothersile to answer and he would not.
I don't either he was ignoring me because he was so busy continuing on with the Son of God' stuff that BC is mentioning above.
The Lord leads . "...you follow Me."
Ok what is the diffrence between Jesus and god, im interested to know your views
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Quickfire
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this is the way i see it Jesus is spiritually born son of God, who is God from God. As you know a Lion can give birth only to a Lion, God can generate only a God like himself from his spirit. He made man with hands, but he made Jesus from himself before the creation of universe. Though similar to God in everything, Jesus still submits himself to God by calling him his father. He set an example for all of us to submit to the will of God at all times.
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No wonder the church is in the state it is in..
Jesus is not a born or created god, God did not birth him like a lion gives birth to a lion..
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Quickfire
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Quickfire
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the farther was still in heaven when the son was born unto mary , no one understands the god head so why you pulling me apart for expressing how i see it,(are you back to your old tricks ) The son sits on the right hand side of god so why is not not possible that god could of created the son from himself,it would make sense to me
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Quickfire
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if you have i have not seen it, i have just expressed how i see the trinity can you express how you see it ? in a civilized manner please
I'm not pulling you apart, but your believing in another god.
How you see it makes no odds.. It was God has said we should believe. Your just espousing similar beliefs to silas, I suppose that's why you agreed with him and they are heretical beliefs, not the God of the bible.
No one fully understands the Godhead (again I have said this a few times now), but we can know what He has disclosed.
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Quickfire
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your one touchy person you really are, i thought i was sensitive but you, ? i dont know whether your sensitive or plain rude,
ill repeat my post again and explain it further
this is the way i see it Jesus is spiritually born son of God, who is God from God. As you know a Lion can give birth only to a Lion, God can generate only a God like himself from his spirit. He made man with hands, but he made Jesus from himself before the creation of universe. Though similar to God in everything, Jesus still submits himself to God by calling him his father. He set an example for all of us to submit to the will of God at all times.
me using expressing lion from lion is just a way of making people understand my meaning, and there is not two different gods here but a son the same as god himself as i explained above, a son who sits on the right and side of god, how else can you explain the trinity with out going mad, and i also explained why i think Jesus submits him self to the farther, when he says farther why have you forsaken me
now instead of evading can you explain how you see the trinity, or would you rather accuse me of worshiping a false god
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cfultz3
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If God created another god, then what justification does He have in His declaration of Him being the ONLY God? That would mean that the Word is a demigod.
Jesus is created only in the sense that He, the Word incarnated, has a beginning as the Son. But, it was the eternal Word of the Godhead who became this Jesus. If the Word, or even the Holy Spirit has a beginning, then by virtue of God, neither is God, as per you saying that Jesus is God. Jesus is God because it was still the Word in bodily form. Thus, Jesus was the eternal Word wrapped in flesh.
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Quickfire
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your like everyone else you start with the word if and you do not know the god head no one does i think i have given a good account not only have i address why Jesus call god farther but i have expressed how i see the trinity,
Can you express how you see the trinity please
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cfultz3
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You "good account" has the Word as a demigod.
As per your request of expressing my view of the Godhead (and in every post that I have posted here in this thread for all to read):
If God created another god, then what justification does He have in His declaration of Him being the ONLY God? That would mean that the Word is a demigod.
Jesus is created only in the sense that He, the Word incarnated, has a beginning as the Son. But, it was the eternal Word of the Godhead who became this Jesus. If the Word, or even the Holy Spirit has a beginning, then by virtue of God, neither is God, as per you saying that Jesus is God. Jesus is God because it was still the Word in bodily form. Thus, Jesus was the eternal Word wrapped in flesh.
Hi Quickfire,
It is interesting what you say. The Trinitarian belief is easy to look up.
But help me understand what you are saying.. Maybe I just don't understand. So could you answer these questions then atleast I can actually understand what you are saying..I think that's fair Quickfire. As you can go anywhere and find out what the trinity is.
1) is Jesus god, if he is god , is he a different being from the Father?
2)if he is a different being, does that make him a different god
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cfultz3
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To those who will say that I have joined in a bloody meat feast to rip Quickfire apart, he does not have to answer me, but, if he does, then know also that he willingly does and is not being forced to answer. Thus, he is a big boy.......
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cfultz3
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Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Truth makes me happy.
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Quickfire
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like how i have put it already this is the way i see it Jesus is spiritually born son of God who is God from God.
that answer your question, and i have not looked up any trinitarian belief, i have been trying to do what no man has done befor and that is understand the trinity,
i have expressed how i see it, you say i have pulled the church to bits, but not even the church fully understands the trinity,
no man does,
now can you and you friend culzt express how you see it,
Hi Quickfire,
I'm still not sure what you mean? Iso what is the difference between God and Jesus?
what does god from god mean, does that mean Jesus is the same being? or a different god?
as in he is a created god?
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cfultz3
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Quickfire,
The Father willed the Word to become flesh. The Word, in fulfilling the Father's will, became human and took upon Himself the name Jesus. Because the Word gave up His first estate of being the Word in the present, He was given the Holy Spirit without measure. Never did the Word give up His place in the Godhead just because He became flesh.
He was resurrected as the glorified Son, but still He was/is the same Word who was known in the Old Testament as the Messenger of the Lord. As the Voice of the Lord, it was He who was Creator. It was He who led the Hebrews through the wilderness. It was He who made the Old Covenant. It was He who made the New Covenant. It was He all the while. The same one who said, "Let there be" and it was, the One who, in the New Testament, said, "Be thou" and it was.
The Father willed the Word to become flesh. The Word, in fulfilling the Father's will, became human and took upon Himself the name Jesus. Because the Word gave up His first estate of being the Word in the present, He was given the Holy Spirit without measure. Never did the Word give up His place in the Godhead just because He became flesh.
He was resurrected as the glorified Son, but still He was/is the same Word who was known in the Old Testament as the Messenger of the Lord. As the Voice of the Lord, it was He who was Creator. It was He who led the Hebrews through the wilderness. It was He who made the Old Covenant. It was He who made the New Covenant. It was He all the while. The same one who said, "Let there be" and it was, the One who, in the New Testament, said, "Be thou" and it was.