Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vatican

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vatican

Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vatican Versions"

“Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4
Note: You can also listen to a teaching video on Youtube regarding Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the new Vatican Versions -

Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. Are the New Vatican Versions by Will Kinney - YouTube

I have a copy of the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece 27th edition right here in front of me. It is the same Greek text as the UBS (United Bible Society) 4th edition. These are the Greek readings and texts that are followed by such modern versions as the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard AND the new Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985.

If you have a copy of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition, open the book and read what they tell us in their own words on page 45 of the Introduction. Here these critical Greek text editors tell us about how the Greek New Testament (GNT, now known as the UBS) and the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece grew together and shared the same basic text.

In the last paragraph on page 45 we read these words: "The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and following an agreement between the Vatican and the United Bible Societies it has served as the basis for new translations and for revisions made under their supervision. This marks a significant step with regard to interconfessional relationships. It should naturally be understood that this text is a working text: it is not to be considered as definitive, but as a stimulus to further efforts toward defining and verifying the text of the New Testament."

There it is folks, in their own words. They openly admit that this text is the result of an agreement between the Vatican and the UBS and that the text itself is not "definitive" - it can change, as it already has and will do so in the future, and is not the infallible words of God but merely "a stimulus to further efforts".

The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity

This from their own site -

THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR PROMOTING CHRISTIAN UNITY

Collaboration for the Diffusion of the Bible

“Following the responsibility undertaken by the then Secretariat for the preparation of the dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, the PCPCU was entrusted with promoting ecumenical collaboration for the translation and diffusion of Holy Scripture (Dei Verbum, n. 22). In this context, it encouraged the formation of the Catholic Biblical Federation, with which it is in close contact. TOGETHER WITH THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT PUBLISHED THE GUIDELINES FOR INTERCONFESSIONAL COOPERATION IN TRANSLATING THE BIBLE.” (1968; new revised edition 1987).

The United Bible Societies Vice-President is Roman Catholic Cardinal Onitsha of Nigeria. On the executive committee is Roman Catholic Bishop Alilona of Italy and among the editors is Roman Catholic Cardinal Martini of Milan. Patrick Henry happily claims, "Catholics should work together with Protestants in the fundamental task of Biblical translation …[They can] work very well together and have the same approach and interpretation ... This signals a new age in the church." - Patrick Henry, New Directions in New Testament Study (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1979), 232-234.

Here is the United Bible Societies own website where they announced in March of 2013 the news of the new Pope Francis' longtime support of the UBS.

United Bible Societies welcomes Pope Francis | United Bible Societies

United Bible Societies welcomes Pope Francis
MARCH 15, 2013 - The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, is an encouragement to United Bible Societies (UBS) to work even harder to make the Bible available to everyone.

On October 11th of 1962, the first session of the Vatican Council II meet in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Over the next few years, they plotted out the future of the Roman Catholic Church.

On November 18th, 1965, the "Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation" was written. In chapter 6, on page 112, we read:

"But since the word of God must be readily available at all times, the church, with motherly concern, sees to it that suitable and correct translations are made into various languages, especially from the orginal texts of the sacred books. If, when the opportunity presents itself and the authority of the church agree, these translations are made jointly with churches separated from us, they can then be used by all Christians."

This is all the plan and design of the Jesuits to destroy the doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" and to bring the whole would back under the control of the Pope! For many direct quotes from Occultists, Spiritualists and Satanists who openly and harshly criticized the King James Bible and who promoted the Revised Version put out by Westcott and Hort to undermine and destroy faith in the King James Bible as the infallible words of God in the English language, see this site here. You will be amazed.

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(more to come)

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

Re: Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vati

Bible critics (none of whom believes that any Bible in any language IS the complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God) often attack King James Bible believers for using a Bible with "Roman Catholic" roots. For example Doug Kutilek's article “Is the King James Version a Roman Catholic Bible?” Recently I was at a Christian Forum on Facebook and I got more than a couple of remarks like: “Well, we can thank the Catholic church for the King James Bible” or “you wouldn't have the KJV without the RCC. They sponsored Erasmus (RC scholar) who rushed the manuscripts which are the basis for the the KJV.”

Their argument goes something like this: the Textus Receptus Greek text was edited by Erasmus, the King James New Testament was based upon the Textus Receptus. Erasmus was a loyal Roman Catholic so the King James Bible has strong Catholic roots.

The Vatican Versionists today - ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. cannot deny the fact that the Vatican is directly involved in creating the "interconfessional" text that underlies all their ever changing versions. Why? Because their own Critical Greek text tells them that this is the case. So, in an effort to bring us to the conclusion that "The KJB is just as Catholic as our new versions", they always drag out this Erasmus thingy and hope to lead us down this erroneous rabbit trail.

They ignore the fact that Erasmus never was a practicing Catholic priest; he often criticized many doctrines and practices of the Roman Catholic Church; he died in the presence of his Protestant friends; his books were eventually placed on the forbidden to read list by the RCC and most importantly, no Catholic bible version ever used the Greek text of Erasmus to make up their translations, but ALL Reformation bibles did use Erasmus, Stephanus and Beza as their textual basis.

The King James Bible translators did not even primarily use Erasmus but relied far more on the Greek texts of Stephanus and Beza.

The modern Vatican Version users (ESV, NIV, NASB etc.) use this flimsy and ultimately meaningless Erasmus-Catholic connection as an excuse to justify their use and promotion of their ever changing bogus bibles that not even they believe are the complete and infallible words of God.

As usual, the KJB critics’ argument is misinformed, deeply biased and misapplied. Learn more about the man Erasmus and his theology here:

What About Erasmus?

Please read the entire article, but briefly some of relevant points that should be noted are: Erasmus published his printed Greek text in 1516. This was prior to the beginning of the Reformation in 1517 when Luther nailed his ninety-five theses to the door of the church in Wittenburg, Germany. There WAS no Reformation or any official Protestants at this time. Aside from a few persecuted minorities like the Waldenses in the remote Alps, the Catholic church was the only game in town. Even Wycliffe and Tyndale were nominal Catholics. He dedicated his Greek text to the Pope, but this was most likely a political move to get his Greek text accepted and it ultimately did not do him any good at all. It was soon said by the Catholics that Erasmus laid the egg and Luther hatched the chickens. His books and writings were soon banned by the Pope himself. Erasmus examined hundreds of Greek manuscripts from all over Europe. He was familiar with virtually every variant reading we know of today. He was NOT limited in his knowledge of Greek readings by the alleged ten manuscripts he used to put together the New Testament Greek text. His Greek text, along with the minor revisions of Stephanus and Beza became the basis for the New Testament texts of all Reformation Bibles. The King James Bible translators worked primarily with Beza's fifth edition of the Greek Traditional text of 1598. Luther was a Reformer from outside the Catholic church, while Erasmus believed he could reform it from the inside. Erasmus himself wrote against many of the abuses and excesses of the Catholic church and the celibacy of the priests. He rejected the typical Roman Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18 establishing the papal primacy and he began to teach baptism by immersion AFTER conversion. There is no record of him ever officiating as a Catholic priest and he died in Switzerland in 1536 surrounded by his Protestant friends.

What is called the Textus Receptus was NOT the basis for the Catholic Bibles, but rather for the Reformation Bibles like Luther’s German Bible, the French Olivetan, the Italian Diodati, the Portuguese Almeida, the Spanish Reina Valera, the English Geneva Bible and of course the King James Holy Bible. The Catholic church never did approve of the Textus Receptus. In fact, the Council of Trent (1545-1564) branded Erasmus a heretic and prohibited his works. In 1559, Pope Paul IV placed Erasmus on the first class of forbidden authors, which was composed of authors whose works were completely condemned.

The King James Bible translators themselves did not even primarily use the Greek text of Erasmus for their magnificent translation, but rather the Greek texts of Stephanus and Theodore Beza, though all three are in basic agreement.

So, what exactly is the primary basis for such modern bibles as the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV and Daniel Wallace’s NET versions etc? It’s the United Bible Society’s ever changing and evolving “nothing is settled or sure” Greek text based primarily on the VATICANUS manuscript found in the Vatican library, and put out by a joint effort of Evangelicals and the Catholic Church! Hello?... Is any body home? I like to call this ever changing Greek text used by many of today’s “No Bible is inerrant” crowd the Textus Corruptus.

Do these modern day "Evangelical/Catholic" bibles like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET always follow those so called "oldest and best manuscripts" like Vaticanus? Of course not. Vaticanus and Sinaiticus both entirely omit 12 whole verses from Mark 16:9-20 and another 12 entire verses from John 7:53 to John 8:11. Yet they hypocritically cease to use "the oldest and best" in these 24 entire verses and put them in their "bibles" because all these verses ARE found in the Majority of all Greek texts, the Latin Vulgate and the Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims, the 1950 Douay and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 - and not even in [brackets]! If you want to see what these so called "oldest and best manuscripts" of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are REALLY like, take a look at this revealing study here:

Oldest and Best Mss? - Another King James Bible Believer

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

Re: Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vati

The basis for the modern day Catholic bibles and the textually identical "Catholic" bible versions like the ESV, NIV, NASBs etc. is not even the Latin Vulgate New Testament. Of the 17 entire verses omitted by today's Catholic versions, 9 of the 17 entire verses were found in the Latin Vulgate! You can see one of the Vulgate bible versions (there are several of them) here and check it out for yourself.

Latin Vulgate Bible, Biblia Sacra Vulgata

This particular Latin Vulgate contains Matthew 12:47, Matthew 17:21 (in verse 20 - their numbering system is a bit different than ours), Matthew 18:11; Mark 7:16; Mark 9:44 and 46 (located in Mark 9:45, 47); Mark 11:26; Mark 15:28 and Luke 23:17 are all found in the Latin Vulgate! Even the older Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims and the Douay of 1950 contained most of the verses that are now omitted by today's "United" Bible Societies ever changing versions.

You can see the Douay-Rheims Catholic bible here. Compare the verses and see how many of them were IN the previous Catholic bible versions! To me, this is absolutely mind blowing how today's United Bible Society is churning out this new unified bible that differs so much from even the previous Catholic Bibles, all in the name of "Christian unity". Here is the previous Catholic Douay-Rheims bible.

Douay-Rheims Bible Online, Roman Catholic Bible Verses Search.

You can look up the verses and see for yourself in black and white that it contains in its New Testament text the following verses that are entirely omitted by the UBS Evangelical/Catholic Combine that is churning out the now popular ESV, NIV and NASB "bibles". The NASB and Holman Standard [bracket many of these verses, thus indicating doubt as to their authenticity]. A real faith builder, isn't it, to have entire sections of the Bible [in brackets]!! The Douay-Rheims bible of 1582 and the Douay Version of 1950 both contained all of Matthew 12:47; 17:21 (v.20); 18:11; all of 23:14!, Mark 7:16; 9:44 and 9:46 (v.45,47); Mark 11:26; 15:28; Luke 23:17, John 5:4!, Acts 8:37!!; Acts 24:6b through 8a; Acts 28:29; Romans 16:24 and even 1 John 5:7 "And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one."!!! Absolutely Amazing, isn't it? So, who is coming up with this new Evangelical/Catholic Connection bible and why?

The hundreds of textual differences between the Traditional Text Reformation bibles and the modern UBS Catholic/Evangelical bible versions is that there is a concerted effort between the Catholics and modern apostate Christianity to create "a new bible" that will be accepted by both camps. It doesn't matter to them whether it is the complete, inspired and inerrant Bible or not. Neither the Evangelicals nor the Catholics believe such a thing exists! Their continuing mantra is that "ONLY the originals WERE inspired" and nobody knows for sure what the originals said, so we no longer have an inerrant bible anyway. Apparently what is important to them is that both their "bibles" agree, even though not one of them believes it IS the inerrant words of God nor our final authority. If the Bible is not the inerrant words of God, then the Bible is not our final authority and we will then need to look elsewhere. And where might that final authority be found? the "scholars"? (Evangelicals' modern day "priestcraft"), "the Pope"? or the next world religious leader (the Anti-Christ)? But you can bet it sure won't be their "bible".

Guess why the UBS (United Bible Society) Greek texts are the basis for all these new versions? It's because Catholics and Evangelicals were united to produce this text. One of the 5 chief editors was the New Age Catholic Cardinal Carlos Martini, who believed god was in all men and in all religions. Just open a copy of the UBS New Testament Greek and turn to the first page. There you will see a list of the 5 chief editors who put this abomination together. The 4th name on the list, right before the inerrancy denying Bruce Metzger, is Carlo M. Martini. In his book "In the Thick of His Ministry" the Jesuit Cardinal Martini writes: “The deification which is the aim of all religious life takes place. During a recent trip to India I was struck by the yearning for the divine that pervades the whole of Hindu culture. It gives rise to extraordinary religious forms and extremely meaningful prayers. I wondered: What is authentic in this longing to fuse with the divine dominating the spirituality of hundreds of millions of human beings, so that they bear hardship, privation, exhausting pilgrimages, in search of this ecstasy?" (In The Thick Of His Ministry, Carlo M. Martini, page 42.) Jesuit Cardinal Martini served on the editorial committee for the United Bible Societies' 2nd, 3rd and 4th editions. These are the "bibles" most modern Christians are using today when they pick up the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET or modern Catholic "bibles".

The United Bible Society has been directly associated with apostate Unitarians, who deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Roman Catholic Church from the very beginning and even more so today. See 4 pages of documentation that prove this beyond all possible doubt.

The True Colors of the United Bible Society

From Their Own Mouths - United Bible Societies
UBS Greek NT
UBS Greek NT
From Their Own Mouths 8

King James Bible defender David Cloud writes: “It is also important to note that there is no comparison between the situation with Erasmus and what we find in the field of modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions today. Erasmus edited the Greek New Testament on his own. He was not doing that work in any official capacity in the Catholic Church nor did he have Rome’s backing but rather was criticized for it and his work was condemned in the strongest terms. On the other hand, the Roman Catholic Church has accepted modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions with open arms. In 1965, Pope Paul VI authorized the publication of a new Latin Vulgate, with the Latin text conformed to the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament (Michael de Semlyen, All Roads Lead to Rome, p. 201). In 1987 a formal agreement was made between the Roman Catholic Church and the United Bible Societies that the critical Greek New Testament will be used for all future translations, both Catholic and Protestant (Guidelines for International Cooperation in Translating the Bible, Rome, 1987, p. 5). Most of the translations produced by the United Bible Societies are “interconfessional,” meaning they have Roman Catholic participation and backing.”

It is interesting to note that the latest United Bible Societies Text, descended from the Westcott and Hort family, boasts, "the new text is a reality, and as the text distributed by the United Bible Societies and by the corresponding office of the Roman Catholic Church it has rapidly become the commonly accepted text for research and study in universities and church." - Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Wm B Eerdmans, 1995), 35.

This comes from The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity site. (PCPCU) Here is their site -
THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR PROMOTING CHRISTIAN UNITY
Here is their own Vatican statement regarding translations - Collaboration for the Diffusion of the Bible
Following the responsibility undertaken by the then Secretariat for the preparation of the dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, the PCPCU was entrusted with promoting ecumenical collaboration for the translation and diffusion of Holy Scripture (Dei Verbum, n. 22). In this context, it encouraged the formation of the Catholic Biblical Federation, with which it is in close contact. Together with the United Bible Societies it published the Guidelines for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible (1968; new revised edition 1987).

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

Re: Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vati

The St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 says in its Preface: "The translators have carried out the directive of our predecessor, Pius XII, in his famous Encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu, and the decree of the Second Vatican Council (Dei Verbum) which prescribed that..."with the approval of Church authority, these translations may be produced in cooperation with our separated brethren so that all Christians may be able to use them." From the Vatican, September 18, 1970

Here in my study I have a copy of the 1970 St. Joseph New American Bible translated by Members of the Catholic Biblical Association of America. This Catholic bible version says on page 44 of the Introduction : "In general, Nestle’s-Aland’s Novum Testamentum Graece (25th edition, 1963) was followed. Additional help was derived from The Greek New Testament (editors Aland, Black, Metzger, Wikgren) produced for the use of translators by the United Bible Societies in 1966.” - The St. Joseph New American Bible, Catholic Book Publishing Co. New York.

Guess which bible versions match the Catholic bibles today. Check out any modern Catholic bible version today like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 or the New Jerusalem bible 1985 and compare the following New Testament verses: Matthew 6:13 "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (gone), all of verses Matthew17:21 (gone), Matthew 18:11 (gone), Matthew 23:14 (gone), Mark 9:44, 46 (gone); Mark 11:26 (gone), Mark 15:28 (gone), Most of Luke 9:55-56 (gone) Luke 17:36 (gone), Luke 23:17 (gone) John 5:4 (gone), Acts 8:37 (gone), Acts 15:34 (gone), Acts 24:6b - 8a (gone), Acts 28:29 (gone), Romans 16:24 (gone) and 1 John 5:7-8 missing are the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth". Then check your modern versions like the NIV, ESV, RSV, NET, [NASB], [Holman Standard] and the Jehovah Witness version called "The New World Translation". Surprise! What’s missing? Why... it’s the same verses!

You can buy the NIV at your local Catholic book stores -

Catholic Bibles: The Catholic Edition of the NIV....

The ESV is now published with the Apocryphal books included and you can pick up a copy at the Catholic book stores, but you won't find the King James Bible there. Here is the Catholic site -
Catholic Bibles: ESV w/ Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) is Here!

Luke 9:54-56 present an interesting case. In the King James Bible we read: "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, EVEN AS ELIAS? But he turned, and rebuked them, AND SAID, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN'S LIVES, BUT TO SAVE THEM. And they went to another village." All the words I have capitalized in these three verses are found in the Majority of all Greek texts, and are found in many ancient versions like the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Palestinian, Harkelian, Georgian, Gothic, Coptic Sahidic and Boharic, Ethiopian and the Old Latin. They are also in the Modern Greek and the Modern Hebrew bibles as well as Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, Italian Diodati 1649 and New Diodati 1991, Luther's German Bible 1545 and 1951 German Schlachter, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569 and the Reina Valera 1909, 1995 and even the older Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims of 1582 and 1899 and the Douay of 1950. You can see the 1582 Catholic Rheims Bible, as well as Wycliffe, Tyndale, Cranmer and Geneva bibles for yourself here -

English Hexapla 1841. Greek New Testament according to Scholtz with 6 ancient English translations: Wiclif 1380, Tyndale 1534, Cranmer 1539, Geneva 1557, Rheims 1582, Authorised 1611

The NASBs reveal their fickle nature in that when it first came out in 1963 they completely omitted all these words from the text, and they did so again in the 1972 and 1973 editions. I have these NASBs right here in my study and all these words are omitted from their texts. Then in 1977 and again in 1995 they put them back in [but in brackets] indicating doubt as to their authenticity. What is happening here is that Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit all these words, as do the Westcott-Hort and UBS Greek texts and so all these words are now omitted by such versions as the NIV, RSV, ESV, Holman Standard, the J.W. New World Translation, Daniel Wallace's NET version AND (you guessed it) the Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985. As a result, these Catholic Connection versions read like the ESV - "...Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village."

By the way, ALL of 1 John 5:7 “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one” are found in Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible (John Rogers) 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible 1611, John Calvin’s translation, the French La Bible de Geneva 1669, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, the Portuguese de Almeida 1681 -"Porque três säo os que testificam no céu: o Pai, a Palavra, e o Espírito Santo; e estes três säo um. ", the Italian Diodati 1602, 1649, the New Diodati 1991, the Spanish Reina 1569, the Reina Valera of 1602, 1909, 1995, and the NKJV of 1982, plus a multitude of other foreign language Bibles. Believe it or not, but 1 John 5:7 as it stands in the King James Bible and all these others was also the reading of the previous Catholic bibles. It was in the Douay Rheims of 1582 (See the link above), the Douay-Rheims of 1899 and even in the Douay of 1950. It wasn't till the St. Joseph New American Bible of 1970 that the Catholic bibles began to remove "the three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one" from their translations. For more information on why these words are inspired Scripture see -

1 John 5:7 - Another King James Bible Believer

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

Re: Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vati

Modern versions like the ESV, NASB, NIV, RSV, NET and Jehovah Witness NWT are for the most part Catholic bibles, not Reformation bibles. They aren't even like the previous Catholic bibles. They are headed in the wrong direction and getting worse, not better. As for the ESV, I believe it is for the most part just like the liberal RSV, of which the ESV is a revision. The ESV rejects even more whole verses than the NASB, NIV. The ESV omits Matthew 12:47 too, just like the Catholic New Jerusalem bible of 1985, but it is still found in the NASB, NIV.

The ESV often rejects the Hebrew readings (as do the NASB, NIV, RSV, NET and the New Jerusalem bible), and they have already come out with the 2nd ESV in 2007 which changed over 350 verses from the previous ESV of 2001. The so called "science" of textual criticism is a joke and a fool's game. If you want to see more concrete information about the ESV, check out this study I did on my own of this new version that is now beginning to grow in popularity. The NASB has virtually disappeared from the scene and is now dead in the water and the ESVs are growing in popularity. The "old" New International Version is no longer being printed and the "new" New International Version has now come out in 2011 in which, by their own admission, they have changed some 10% of the verses from the previous NIV, and have altered some of the Hebrew and Greek texts they used in the previous NIVs. The shelf life of these modern versions is not very long.

The ESV - Another King James Bible Believer

For Proof that versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV all often reject the clear Hebrew readings and not even in the same places see these two articles I have put together by my own comparative studies. This is not empty theory and innuendo, but concrete facts you can see and verify for yourself.

NIV, NASB reject Hebrew - Another King James Bible Believer

NIV,NASB reject Hebrew2 - Another King James Bible Believer

Most Evangelical Christians today do not believe that any Bible in any language IS the inerrant words of God. In spite of the lame, signifying nothing, recent Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, they did get one thing right. It’s found in Article XII - “We deny that Biblical infallibility and inerrancy are limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes, exclusive of assertions in the fields of history and science.” Every true Bible believer should agree with this statement. IF the Bible is not 100% historically true, then at what point does God start to tell us the truth? If we cannot trust God's Book when it comes to specific numbers and names when it tells us of past historical events, then how can we be sure He got the other parts right?

It is devastating for the modern version promoter to see where the New Jerusalem Catholic bible lands on these verses. Also notice how the previous Catholic Douay-Rheims read. It was a whole lot closer to the historical truth than are these more modern translations.

The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples, but these are just a few to make you aware of what is going on here with "the late$t in $cholar$hip Finding$".
Among these “historic details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970) or Zedekiah (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985)

whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or Merab (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, ISV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, Holman, ISV, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 and 17 or 72 (NIV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not “until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times” (= 490 times - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times (NRSV, NIV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or the 4th day (RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem) or "the NEXT day" ISV (they just made this up!)

Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET, Douay-Rheims) or “A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, ISV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NET, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 70 men slain (RSV, NIV, NRSV, ESV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem), or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or “70 MEN OUT OF 50,000 Holman Standard

or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or only 3000 (NIV, NET, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 1 Samuel 13:1 Here we read: “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.” reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV), OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985), or "was 30 years old...ruled for 42 years" ISV, or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!

2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV, Douay-Rheims) OR “four years” (NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem). The ISV ADDS words to the Hebrew text to make it say what they think it means, saying: "And so it was that forty years after Israel had demanded a king, Absalom asked the king..."

or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read “chief of the THREE” (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NRSV, Holman, NIV, NET, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THIRTY from the Syriac (NASB, RSV, ESV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem) The ISV completely omits any number and just makes up their own text saying: "in charge of the platoons"

or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (KJB, Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV, NET, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NKJV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 4,000 stalls (NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read "males from THREE years old" (Hebrew texts, KJB, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or "males from THIRTY years old" (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”, ISV -"every male 30 years old and older", St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or he was 18 years old (NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem)

or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV, Holman, NET, ISV, Catholic New Jerusalem).

If you go back and read through this list of just some of the numerous very real differences that exist among these Bible of the Month Club versions, ask yourself Which (if any) are the 100% historically true words of God. IF "the Bible" is not 100% historically true in the events it narrates, then when does God start to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

If you wish to see more about this recent "Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy" please see
Chicago state - Another King James Bible Believer

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

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One of the typical objections the bible agnostics, Bible critics and those who do not believe in the inerrancy of any Bible often bring up is Why did the King James Bible originally contain the Apocrypha books? Here is a good answer that provides a lot of information about all bibles of that time, why it was originally in the King James Bible and how the KJB translators viewed the Apocrypha

Apocrypha KJB - Another King James Bible Believer

Another word of explanation. I am not against the Catholic people. I have known a few Catholics personally whom I believe to be true Christians who love the Lord Jesus Christ and are trusting in Him for their salvation, even though they still follow many erroneous teachings of Rome. Likewise there are many "Protestants" who are not true Christians either but just follow the outward, religious forms. But the Catholic Church and its doctrines of the perpetually repeated "sacrifice" of the Mass, the veneration of Mary and the saints, the doctrine of Purgatory, the good works treadmill to earn grace and salvation, the confession of sins to a "priest" and the infallibility of the Pope are all abominable false doctrines from the whore of Babylon. I believe (as did all the Reformers) it is primarily the Roman Catholic Church that is depicted as the "Mystery Babylon, the Mother of harlots and Abominations of the earth" in Revelation chapters 17 and 18, and God says in Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Some of God's people are in this false religious system and God commands them to come out of it.

The King James Bible is right, and the Bible critics are wrong, as always.

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Matthew 11:15

Will Kinney

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For more Proof that versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. are in fact Catholic bible versions, see this study on Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:2-4 in what is commonly called the Lord's Prayer. Pay special attention to the section dealing with Luke 11:2-4. You cannot honestly deny that these modern versions are identical to the modern joint effort Evangelical/Catholic Connection bible versions.

Matthew 6:13 - Another King James Bible Believer

For a much more in depth look at just how identical to the modern Catholic bible versions the ESV, NIV, NASBs really are, be sure to take a look at Part Two seen here. It is an incredible eye opener and removes all lingering doubt. -
ESV,=Catholic Part 2 - Another King James Bible Believer

To see the documented connection between the Occult, Spiritism, the Theosophical Society of Madame Blavastsky and the Vatican Versions, see the following article -
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RedTent · Sep 1, 2013

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I attack every single bible interpretation as being imperfect, every one. In the first place, all scripture comes from God and God's thoughts are not our thoughts, so the original had to be a secular interpretation of God thoughts and was imperfect. In the second place, most of scripture was first interpreted into Hebrew. The way the Hebrew processed information was very different from the way we now process information, and their word meanings reflect that. To complicate that, there are thousands of years between times different books of the bible were written and meanings change with time, even of the same language. Have you tried to read Chaucer? Hebrew stayed lots truer, but there was still change.

I think the history you give is very beneficial, and I thank you, but I also think what I have posted needs to be considered.

Hizikyah · Sep 1, 2013

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Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with theunfruitful works of darkness, but instead, expose them."

1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is righteous."

This is exactly the kind of thing that those seeking the truth need to look into, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

brandplucked · Sep 1, 2013

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Hi RedTent. And that is why you are a bible agnostic and an unbeliever in the infallibility of ANY Bible in ANY language. You are an official card carrying member of the largest growing Christian group in the world - those who do NOT believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD." Amos 8:11

"For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed" - 2 Thes. 2:3

"Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8

danschance · Sep 1, 2013

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There is a big problem with saying all bible versions are bad except the KJV which many KJV ONLY claim is inspired.

Here is the problem with that.

By claiming other versions are evil you also claim the word of God contained in the are evil. This is violates the scripture above and borderlines on pure lunacy.

Praus · Sep 1, 2013

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brandplucked said:

KJV-only chooses "only" the Bible that denies the divinity of Christ:

John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. (KJV PCE)

Exactly the same as Jehovah's Witness Bible:

John 14:14 If YOU ask anything in my name, I will do it. (NWT)

The latest NIV asserts the divinity of Christ:

John 14:14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. (NIV 2011)

Pre- and post-Vatican II Catholic Bibles also assert the divinity of Christ:

John 14:14 If you shall ask me any thing in my name, that I will do. (DRC 1899)

John 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. (NJ 1985)

Catholic and the modern translations assert the divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Jehovah's Witnesses and the KJV-onlyists deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. The KJV-onlyists attempt deliberately and repeated to distract Christians from that understanding by pointing out how Acts 28:29 is "missing" from modern Bibles.

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves. (KJV PCE)

To a KJV-onlyist, it's much more important to know that "the Jews departed" than to assert and promote the divinity of Jesus Christ.

TannarDarr · Sep 1, 2013

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RedTent said:

you do mean thousands of years between translations, and not books of the bible, right? There are tens of years between the books of the bible being written afterall, not even one hundred.

TannarDarr · Sep 1, 2013

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If the KJV was perfect, why did they remove books from it after the first publication? If it wasn't perfect when it was "INSPIREDLY WRITTEN" why would you assume it was perfect now?

Why would you rely on words translated 400 years ago, that the revelation of NEW GREEK TEXTS have better defined? Would you assume that after Jim did his work and hired some paid for profit translators to do his work so he could spit at Rome, that God stopped teaching us about the ancient languages? REALLY?

:=|

RedTent · Sep 1, 2013

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brandplucked said:

By judging me as you have you are putting yourself in hell, for God cannot forgive you if you judge others so.

I believe that when we see the bible as coming from God's infallible mind, but interpreted by fallible humans who receive those words, we are letting ourselves see through the words to God. I think you are the one not able to see truth in God's words, for you are believing man's words, not God's words. That is not judging you as a person, it is saying you could understand scripture better with a different attitude.

intercessorginger · Sep 1, 2013

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We do not judge you...you judge yourself.
New International Version
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.John 3:18

zone · Sep 1, 2013

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brandplucked said:

OH PURLEEZE.

i read your whole thread this far.

now could you please present the saving Gospel in one post?
use any translation you like.

man...you guys are just making an idol out of a really good translation.

why??

do you read GREEK?

vic1980 · Sep 1, 2013

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Jesus made it simple for us i belive ,the holyspirit teaches us what the scripture even mean to begin with without the Comforter how would you know what it means ???remind yourself of the Acts 8:30-31 Philip & the eunuch reading Isaiah ? I perfer kjv & reina valera i belive they are inspire but if anyone enjoy the nkjv esv niv nasv or catholic version go ahead read it .make up your mind and give the ok ,this is God word let the holyspirit lead ya to all truth .The holyspirt leads us to all truth he is the truth John 14:26 He does not lie

now john 5:39 clearly explains to us ,searching the scripture cannot give us eternal life , because only Christ Jesus can

King James Bible
John 5:39-40 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Enought about the kjv only or any other issues on this matter.

Let us all pick up our cross ,and Follow our Lord Jesus Christ and follow his commandment to love, to tell everyone about the good news in Christ.

God bless

zone · Sep 1, 2013

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brandplucked said:

both of these passages were written well before the KJV, dear friend

and neither of them says:

"For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and those non-KJVers be revealed" - KJVONLYISM. 2:3

"Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find KJVs on the earth?" KJVONLYISM 18:8

~

i love the KJV.
why the obsession?
come on!

the question is - do you know the GOSPEL?

megaman125 · Sep 1, 2013

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Oh goodie, it's this thread again. Well, time for some fun facts.

Fun fact #1: The KJV is not the first english translation, thus invalidating the reasoning KJV onlyists give about why everyone should be KJV only because KJV was the first.
Fun fact #2: The translators of the KJV were not KJV onlyists.
Fun fact #3: Jesus did not preach KJV only.

Praus · Sep 1, 2013

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zone said:

I see all of this as substantially similar to 21st century bardolatry, even the name King Shakespeare.

Bardolatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Victorian bardolatry
"The phenomenon became important in the Victorian era when many writers treated Shakespeare's works as a secular equivalent or replacement to the Bible.[8] "That King Shakespeare," the essayist Thomas Carlyle wrote in 1840, "does not he shine, in crowned sovereignty, over us all, as the noblest, gentlest, yet strongest of rallying signs; indestructible".[9]"

"The essential characteristic of bardolatry is that Shakespeare is presented as not only the greatest writer who ever lived, but also as the supreme intellect, the greatest psychologist, and the most faithful portrayer of the human condition and experience. In other words, bardolatry defines Shakespeare as the master of all human experience and of its intellectual analysis.[10]"

People have their historical and literary obsessions, I have more than most, but KJV-only confuses that obsession with the Bible and with actually developing a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The result of that confusion is that when we (Christians) attack the position of KJV-onlyism, they always and without fail find a way to interpret that as an attack on the King James Bible.

Then they encourage the rest of us to follow them...

zone said:

The gospel?

In KJV-only, it's more important to be write page after page after page about the correct spelling of Gaba/Geba in Ezra 2:26.

Ezra 2:26
The children of Ramah and Gaba, sixe hundred, twentie and one. (KJV 1611)

The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one. (KJV Oxford 1769)

The children of Ramah and Geba, six hundred twenty and one. (KJV Pure Cambridge Edition)

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