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QUOTE=respekt;1173750]The spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is weak
Fight your laziness! Pray before you read His love letter (BIBLE)! The more you read it the more understanding you get.[/QUOTE]
Im not sure I see myself as lazy...I spend a lot of my fee time reading and studying...I quite enjoy bible study..
Fight your laziness! Pray before you read His love letter (BIBLE)! The more you read it the more understanding you get.[/QUOTE]
Im not sure I see myself as lazy...I spend a lot of my fee time reading and studying...I quite enjoy bible study..
Well I am assuming that the word you used means outdated, as in an antique.
And NO! it IS NOT Outdated at this time .
The Original KJV Bible came with a preface of warning that it was susceptable to error.
That IS why they numbered the verses of transliterated scripture, so that if one is unable to fully grasp what is being said, that there is more about that verse in the original Hebrew and Greek texts of scripture.
I guess no matter what translation one hears, one will attain a certain level of faith, I just have a feeling though; from what I have seen in many of these newer translations, they are nothing more than compounded errors, and would make it harder and longer to correct in the Hebrew and Greek; unless you want to trust the intellect of the man at this time that did the translation.
Our WW1 & WW2 soldiers willing gave their lives to bring this KJV translation to us; and though I openly admit that I closed the Old Testament in frustration many times, because of Not understanding it. Finally, after trying my whole life to get help with this, and giving up, to the point that I lost my faith and threw a litteral prayer of tantrum; I was showed in less than 1 Day a very sincere Pastor, that I certainly wasn't looking for anymore.
And YES Cathy! it was Arnold Murray of The Sheppard's Chapel who guided me through The Father's Words of Truth.
Kind of funny how I found this Big, little old man, teaching at Genisis 1:1 at 4:30 in the morning, telling me, NOT to believe him, that man or any other man or woman unless you check them out in The Word.
Though he is of course NOT perfect by any means; as NO man IS. I was able through him, NOT by him, able to hear with understanding Our Father's Words of Truth in English, BUT! with the Hebrew understanding.
I myself cannot understand why it is that many of his followers turn the man into a religion
and though many do, that's not really his fault, as these people are obviously following Arnold Murray the man, and not following The Word, that he teaches. But then there are others just like me, that have been sincerely helped through him.
Sorry about the length of the Post Ress.
And NO! it IS NOT Outdated at this time .
The Original KJV Bible came with a preface of warning that it was susceptable to error.
That IS why they numbered the verses of transliterated scripture, so that if one is unable to fully grasp what is being said, that there is more about that verse in the original Hebrew and Greek texts of scripture.
I guess no matter what translation one hears, one will attain a certain level of faith, I just have a feeling though; from what I have seen in many of these newer translations, they are nothing more than compounded errors, and would make it harder and longer to correct in the Hebrew and Greek; unless you want to trust the intellect of the man at this time that did the translation.
Our WW1 & WW2 soldiers willing gave their lives to bring this KJV translation to us; and though I openly admit that I closed the Old Testament in frustration many times, because of Not understanding it. Finally, after trying my whole life to get help with this, and giving up, to the point that I lost my faith and threw a litteral prayer of tantrum; I was showed in less than 1 Day a very sincere Pastor, that I certainly wasn't looking for anymore.
And YES Cathy! it was Arnold Murray of The Sheppard's Chapel who guided me through The Father's Words of Truth.
Kind of funny how I found this Big, little old man, teaching at Genisis 1:1 at 4:30 in the morning, telling me, NOT to believe him, that man or any other man or woman unless you check them out in The Word.
Though he is of course NOT perfect by any means; as NO man IS. I was able through him, NOT by him, able to hear with understanding Our Father's Words of Truth in English, BUT! with the Hebrew understanding.
I myself cannot understand why it is that many of his followers turn the man into a religion
and though many do, that's not really his fault, as these people are obviously following Arnold Murray the man, and not following The Word, that he teaches. But then there are others just like me, that have been sincerely helped through him.Sorry about the length of the Post Ress.
an easy to study with version is free at w w w dot bible dot org. The NET (New English Translation) gives you a translation that is easy to read in today's English, and puts all the notes to their decisions in it where they had to "make a call" in translation.
Jim's bible is by far the prettiest and most poetic version. It's beautiful to read. But for study, I use the NASB because it's a dry and unpretty and as word for word as you can get. I use the NIV because their focus was to capture the essence of the meaning. For example the literal word was FLESH for Sarx. So people associate your flesh/body with those verses. Sometimes it is your flesh/body, but others, like Paul saying, "While we were still in the flesh" shows there is a bigger concept behind the use there. OR that Paul was a skeleton who was animated like a Dungeons and Dragons game.
Then I use the NET Bible as my go between for the difference resolutions.
Jim's bible is by far the prettiest and most poetic version. It's beautiful to read. But for study, I use the NASB because it's a dry and unpretty and as word for word as you can get. I use the NIV because their focus was to capture the essence of the meaning. For example the literal word was FLESH for Sarx. So people associate your flesh/body with those verses. Sometimes it is your flesh/body, but others, like Paul saying, "While we were still in the flesh" shows there is a bigger concept behind the use there. OR that Paul was a skeleton who was animated like a Dungeons and Dragons game.
Then I use the NET Bible as my go between for the difference resolutions.
If you could find anybody, let alone a group of anybody's, that would sincerely devote their literary gifts with anybody and everybody for FREE! at this time, in reality then; I would believe that we would have just witnessed a miracle.
I'm very sure that ALL of these endless translations are much easier to read, but i'll guarantee that they have the same homework that needs tending to; checking out the Greek and Hebrew, Though it is highly recommend starting with the Hebrew.
The definitions in Hebrew are ancient as well, but waaaaaaay easier to get a clear understanding of; What saith The LORD, concerning the Lord. It does also of course require prayer and sharing what one learns with others, no matter how they react in response to; What The Father has to say about The Son and not some man, or any man or woman.
Even to the point of John the Baptist; " Go ahead Herod, do me the favour!
I'm very sure that ALL of these endless translations are much easier to read, but i'll guarantee that they have the same homework that needs tending to; checking out the Greek and Hebrew, Though it is highly recommend starting with the Hebrew.
The definitions in Hebrew are ancient as well, but waaaaaaay easier to get a clear understanding of; What saith The LORD, concerning the Lord. It does also of course require prayer and sharing what one learns with others, no matter how they react in response to; What The Father has to say about The Son and not some man, or any man or woman.
Even to the point of John the Baptist; " Go ahead Herod, do me the favour!
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Oh no sister, dont even go there...Every time we tell ourselves that we are inadequate, or defective in some way, the enemy uses that to tare us apart with...The subconscious is satans playground, and if you go there, he will plant a garden of weeds for you to tend too...We all have very valuable gifts to bring to the table. God will cultivate yours, as well mine, and, as well everyone else that follows Him...Dont think for a minute you are anything other then Gods work of Love, and He is grooming you for His will to good great things for the Kingdom... Much much Love in Christ...
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May I interject ? I really understand my friend where you are coming from.
Wow, guess the enemy didn't like what I was writing, it disappeared from my
message to you.
Will tell you I learned from the KJV. I still quote from it out of habit. But I have
read other versions, and now we are finding many important wording is being
omitted from the newer versions. I heard the NAS is good one to use. If I were
you, I would use KJV and read from other version to compare and see what KJV
is saying. If there is error and I have found some in the new, taking Christ out
of them, you will spot it and know at least what the main message is, but the
KJV is going to always give you truth. Yes it does require concentration. I use
the NKJV. Not sure if that is wrong too. I do know I am catching many things
that are left out of newer versions because I do know what KJV says. Also, I
like to go to Matthew Henry commentary for explanation if I need more understanding
I hope this is not too confusing, but it is wise to keep that KJV as your main study
but also use another to help you understand what the message is conveying.
God bless you for your honesty and He tells us if we seek, we shall find. Please
pray and ask God what He wants you to do, to be certain you are on right path.
Wow, guess the enemy didn't like what I was writing, it disappeared from my
message to you.
Will tell you I learned from the KJV. I still quote from it out of habit. But I have
read other versions, and now we are finding many important wording is being
omitted from the newer versions. I heard the NAS is good one to use. If I were
you, I would use KJV and read from other version to compare and see what KJV
is saying. If there is error and I have found some in the new, taking Christ out
of them, you will spot it and know at least what the main message is, but the
KJV is going to always give you truth. Yes it does require concentration. I use
the NKJV. Not sure if that is wrong too. I do know I am catching many things
that are left out of newer versions because I do know what KJV says. Also, I
like to go to Matthew Henry commentary for explanation if I need more understanding
I hope this is not too confusing, but it is wise to keep that KJV as your main study
but also use another to help you understand what the message is conveying.
God bless you for your honesty and He tells us if we seek, we shall find. Please
pray and ask God what He wants you to do, to be certain you are on right path.
H
God bless you Savedandhopeful. Jesus doesn't want to you feel stupid, that's a tool of the devil.
Sister Jkalyna offered some spot-on advice here:
The most important thing is for you to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That especially includes prayer and studying the Bible in a translation that you understand. Jesus wants you to understand Him!
The devil wants to confuse you and will do any trick to make you think you're not good enough for Jesus. That's why satan is the father of lies.
If you don't understand the King James Version, then good choices are the New International Version (NIV), the English Standard Version (ESV), and others have offered recommendations as well.
If you want to try the King James Bible later, after months or years of studying a more modern Bible, that's excellent. If that day never comes, no matter, just keep both eyes on Jesus Christ.
Sister Jkalyna offered some spot-on advice here:
The most important thing is for you to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That especially includes prayer and studying the Bible in a translation that you understand. Jesus wants you to understand Him!
The devil wants to confuse you and will do any trick to make you think you're not good enough for Jesus. That's why satan is the father of lies.
If you don't understand the King James Version, then good choices are the New International Version (NIV), the English Standard Version (ESV), and others have offered recommendations as well.
If you want to try the King James Bible later, after months or years of studying a more modern Bible, that's excellent. If that day never comes, no matter, just keep both eyes on Jesus Christ.
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Im not sure I see myself as lazy...I spend a lot of my fee time reading and studying...I quite enjoy bible study..[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what i feel is right for me, I have NIV, and also a ESV study bible, I usually do my daily reading from my NIV , but study with both versions...I really would love to get fluent enough to "graduate" to KJV at some point...I know that I need to just relax and depend on The Holy Spirit to help me... After all that is why we were sent The Holy Spirit, as a helper.Thank you to all of you for you help and support.
Beware:
The different "versions" all came about after very specific events. Names like Wescott and Hort could be named.
The biggest changes are due to which ancient documents they pull the gospel out of. Those who wish to know learn more about these 3 manuscripts.
Textus Receptus- All that the KJV uses.
Codex Vaticanus - used by new versions
codex sinaiticus- also used new versions.
important facts
There is only 1 Vaticanus
There is only 1 sinaiticus
the Textus Receptus?
Textus Receptus is based on the vast majority (over 95%) of the 5,300+ Greek manuscripts in existence. That is why it is also called the Majority Text.
Textus Receptus is not mutilated with deletions, additions and amendments, as is the Minority Text.
Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Peshitta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc. These Bibles were produced some 200 years before the Minority Texts (like Vatican and Sinai) favored by the Roman Catholic Church.
an example of some changes?
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
where else is Lucifer mentioned by name? NOWHERE
Does the name Lucifer exist in the NIV? NO
who is in his place?
Rev. 22:16
are there those who are of the opinion this is just some translational err? yes. Do I chance it? No.
Rat poison is 99% good food.
God bless. Your journey
The different "versions" all came about after very specific events. Names like Wescott and Hort could be named.
The biggest changes are due to which ancient documents they pull the gospel out of. Those who wish to know learn more about these 3 manuscripts.
Textus Receptus- All that the KJV uses.
Codex Vaticanus - used by new versions
codex sinaiticus- also used new versions.
important facts
There is only 1 Vaticanus
There is only 1 sinaiticus
the Textus Receptus?
Textus Receptus is based on the vast majority (over 95%) of the 5,300+ Greek manuscripts in existence. That is why it is also called the Majority Text.
Textus Receptus is not mutilated with deletions, additions and amendments, as is the Minority Text.
Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Peshitta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc. These Bibles were produced some 200 years before the Minority Texts (like Vatican and Sinai) favored by the Roman Catholic Church.
an example of some changes?
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[h=3]Isaiah 14:12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
where else is Lucifer mentioned by name? NOWHERE
Does the name Lucifer exist in the NIV? NO
who is in his place?
Rev. 22:16
are there those who are of the opinion this is just some translational err? yes. Do I chance it? No.
Rat poison is 99% good food.
God bless. Your journey
Now I've been feeling like a piece of bull___, English since I've read this. this is NOT how I wanted you to feel through what I said, and I assure you that if we were in person, I would make certain that you didn't feel like this.
What can I say? other than I am truly sorry, and please forgive me.
I am very happy that you trust in the Bible the Church gave you, just be extremely cautious of the Church at this time .
I feel like I have been overly bold and should give a public apology, But I can in reality only give it to one who lets their issue be known, that's why I've asked for your forgiveness.
I most certainly feel I owe an apology to any faithkeepers; (those born 1948) IF I have offended their Faith.
All I can say is that we ALL have different duties in the body of Christ/Messiah, and all I know is that he has started a good work in me; and he says he won't quit, IF I don't.
Most EVERYTHING that you will hear through me, will NOT sound like any Christian Church organization; Because almost NONE of them teach anything about The Father.
And it IS The Father that teaches EVERYTHING one needs to know concerning HIS Son.
The path is straight and narrow, NOT as in not sinning, but rather, do NOT sin in having the wrong Father's explanation concerning Christ/Messiah.
Father IS NOT HAPPY! with ANYTHING but SINCERE Prayer from EVERYONE to HIM in and through Christ/Messiah, and Christ/Messiah paid the price so that one does not have to leave their opportunity as a firstfruit in anyone else's hand but their own.
GOD ALMIGHTY DOES NOT MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL FEEL UNWORTHY or GUILTY, JUST THANKFUL.
this is NOT how I wanted you to feel through what I said, and I assure you that if we were in person, I would make certain that you didn't feel like this.What can I say? other than I am truly sorry, and please forgive me.
I am very happy that you trust in the Bible the Church gave you, just be extremely cautious of the Church at this time .
I feel like I have been overly bold and should give a public apology, But I can in reality only give it to one who lets their issue be known, that's why I've asked for your forgiveness.
I most certainly feel I owe an apology to any faithkeepers; (those born 1948) IF I have offended their Faith.
All I can say is that we ALL have different duties in the body of Christ/Messiah, and all I know is that he has started a good work in me; and he says he won't quit, IF I don't.
Most EVERYTHING that you will hear through me, will NOT sound like any Christian Church organization; Because almost NONE of them teach anything about The Father.
And it IS The Father that teaches EVERYTHING one needs to know concerning HIS Son.
The path is straight and narrow, NOT as in not sinning, but rather, do NOT sin in having the wrong Father's explanation concerning Christ/Messiah.
Father IS NOT HAPPY! with ANYTHING but SINCERE Prayer from EVERYONE to HIM in and through Christ/Messiah, and Christ/Messiah paid the price so that one does not have to leave their opportunity as a firstfruit in anyone else's hand but their own.
GOD ALMIGHTY DOES NOT MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL FEEL UNWORTHY or GUILTY, JUST THANKFUL.
Savedandhopeful,
there is a lot that we all can still learn. The reason why it is so important to discuss the issue over the different bible versions out there. Is because the modern versions change vital doctrines of the Christian faith. They remove whole verses, change words, omit words, add words and so on. Just the NIV alone has removed somewhere around 64,000 words from the text of the Bible. And Jesus Christ warned those who would add or take out words from His Book:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
And if you want to know how important and the level of value that God places on His word. Well then let's read this verse:
138 I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. - Psalm 138:1-2 (KJV)
God places His word above His very name. And if God values His word that greatly. Then we Christians also ought to have reverence and great regard for the word of God.
Another important thing is that you believe God and His word. As a Bible believer, I simply believe that God kept His promise to preserve His pure words. And I have them. And you can know that you have them to.
Don't let anyone destroy your faith in God's holy word.
If there are passages in the Authorized King James Version that you cannot understand, well then seek the Lord in prayer about it and spend more time studying the Scriptures. Remember the Bible is a spiritual Book. It is spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).
Another thing you may want to consider doing, is purchasing the Alexander Scourby App or DVD. And as you are listening to Alexander Scourby read the King James Bible to you, you can have your King James Bible open and follow along in reading. Well it's a suggestion.
I hope this was a help to you Savedandhopeful. And if you are still unsure about which side is right on the Bible Version Issue. Then I encourage you to pray about it to God, and pray that He would open your eyes to see the truth regarding this important issue.
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That chosen by guy is one yiu don't need to listen to. He is eaten up with the Kjv. He says there are words taken away. Taken away from what? From the Kjv ? It is just words that are simplified. If you look at the majority text, and the modern versions, all doctrine is still there , it is just easier to understand because it is written in English we use. He is full of beans.
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What JK says is a lot of wisdom for you, savedbyHope, and, here are some further verses for you to meditate on
The Holy Spirit is in your 'temple,' you have 'received' Him, have you not, milady . Just ask Him to live in your life and He will. His timing, your faith, but, He will, you will 'see' things differently, too, this I pray you understand from Him, which you will if you pray to Him. Be blessed
John 13:
And, 1 Corinthians 3 :
I pray, hope, you are beginning to understand His words for you already, revealed by Him, the Spirit of truth, who lives and breathes in you, do you know now , He is with you, and, He will never leave you nor forsake you (Heb. 13:5)
And, this last verse speaks of your c.c. name, kind of, we are saved and we know our hope of eternal life is in Him
Titus 3 :
The Holy Spirit is in your 'temple,' you have 'received' Him, have you not, milady . Just ask Him to live in your life and He will. His timing, your faith, but, He will, you will 'see' things differently, too, this I pray you understand from Him, which you will if you pray to Him. Be blessed
John 13:
And, 1 Corinthians 3 :
I pray, hope, you are beginning to understand His words for you already, revealed by Him, the Spirit of truth, who lives and breathes in you, do you know now , He is with you, and, He will never leave you nor forsake you (Heb. 13:5)
And, this last verse speaks of your c.c. name, kind of, we are saved and we know our hope of eternal life is in Him
Titus 3 :
Have you forgotten about Webster's 1828 Dictionary that's required to understand the Authorized King James Version?
You didn't even provide a link!
-> Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) - The ARTFL Project
Another thing you may want to consider doing, is purchasing the Alexander Scourby App or DVD. And as you are listening to Alexander Scourby read the King James Bible to you, you can have your King James Bible open and follow along in reading. Well it's a suggestion.
Well it's a suggestion.