Quran is seen as perfect Arabic not extinct Arabic. Not much changes when it comes to prepositions from what I can see in the Quran and everyday life.Do Catholics and Muslims worship the same God?
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Quran is seen as perfect Arabic not extinct Arabic. Not much changes when it comes to prepositions from what I can see in the Quran and everyday life.
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7seven7
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Brother, stop twisting people's comments just to make it look bad. The quote I put up for you says "the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions," in the case of Islam, the truth and goodness being that they recognise one true God. Then the quote goes on to say, "as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life. Altogether meaning that their recognition of the one true God (even though they understand Him incorrectly) is a good place to start in leading them to the Truth about Him in the Gospel.
Watcher, ask yourself this question. "Am I doing what I can to lead these muslim people to the Gospel?"
Now ask yourself THIS question. "Is it possible that the Church (through the quote I posted) is trying to lead these people to the Truth in the Gospel?"
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7seven7
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I went fishing on Sunday with 3 Muslim friends of mine, and I was curious about a few things in their faith. We got talking for AGES, but the one thing that stood out to me most was when the eldest one told me that they are allowed to eat at a Christian's or Jew's house, and enter their houses, but they aren't allowed to dine with or enter the house of any other religion. They told me this was so because Jews, Christians, and Muslims all came from the line of Abraham and all believed in the same God. They said that the Muslims came out of the Christians, and the Christians came out of the Jews. It was really quite fascinating. Just thought I'd throw that in lol.
You have not studied Arabic, then...
This is incorrect. Catholics honor Mary. Catholics worship God alone.
I don't understand why so many protestants feel the need to distort Catholic teaching.
Muslims and Catholics do NOT worship the same God, Catholics worship the Trinity, ie God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, Muslims worship a unitarian deity, who is not God at all, but participate in worship of the powers of darkness...
Yahweh Shalom
Yahweh Shalom
What is the truth in this catechism and the pope speech regarding the Muslims
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day
1. and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day:- The Catholics worship the same god as that the god of the Muslims?
2. or That the Muslims God, "the one" and merciful is mankind's judge on the last day?
or from pope speech
I greet and thank cordially all of you, dear friends belonging to other religious traditions; firstly the Muslims, who worship the one living and merciful God, and call upon Him in prayer
3. The Muslims, worship the god , "The one living and merciful god" and call upon him in prayer.
Note in the catechism "AND TOGETHER WITH US" They adore... It did not state they only recognise the one God, but together with the Muslims....they worship the mankind judge on the last day...
Muslims- worship their god and call upon him in prayer and their god have no Son.
Now where is the truth in there???
This is a Christian Chat/Discussion Forum if there are muslims in here viewing this post I am sure this post is not leading them to Catholicism. (Why leave Muslims if they have the same god as that of the catholics, plus in Islams you are allowed to have more wives)
But leading them to the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob....I hope not only Muslims, but Catholics also and other religions.
and Personally I do share the gospel to Muslim, whenever I get a chance.
No, first, How would the Catholic Church lead them to gospel if they worship the same god. Their god have No SON, How would they have a gospel???
the pope in his speech recognize that the Muslims call their god in Prayer. If they become Catholic, They will call on to Mary in their prayer instead of their god.
You are consistently misrepresenting Catholic teaching. You are persecuting the body of Christ.
Catholics, and many other Christians, ask Mary to pray for us. The bible tells us that the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective. The bible tells us that those who believe and live in Christ will never die. The bible tells us that death will not separate us from the love of Jesus. The bible tells us that those in heaven rejoice when a sinner converts, and therefore they are aware of and concerned about what happens here.
Why wouldn't we ask those in heaven to pray for us?
How do catholics worship God?
How do catholics Honor Mary?
"Having entered deeply into the historyof salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the mostimportant doctrines of the faith: and whenshe is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful tocome to her Son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father." (VaticanCouncil II, Vol. 1, pp. 420 and 421)
Thisstatement shows that Mary may become the subject of worship…
It shows no such thing. Stop lying about the Catholic Church.
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."[SUP]513[/SUP] "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."[SUP]514[/SUP]
Here is where RC traditions contradict the bible. Jesus never made any reference to sharing His role as mediator of the NT. Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. The only one and He needs no assistance from sinful corrupt men. No one can stand between God and man except Christ. Mary is not seated on the right hand of Majesty on high.1 Tim 2:5 not to mention much of Hebrews chapters 8-10
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You can check it for yourself.
This has been discussed in the thread " are Catholics Christian" along with 969....
So how Do Catholics Worship God and How they Honor Mary?
Honor and worship are two different things.
Catholics worship God alone:
2135 "You shall worship the Lord your God" (Mt 4:10). Adoring God, praying to him, offering him the worship that belongs to him, fulfilling the promises and vows made to him are acts of the virtue of religion which fall under obedience to the first commandment.
2138 Superstition is a departure from the worship that we give to the true God. It is manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic.
Now list down the things catholics do to worship their god, and list down the things catholics do to honor mary.
Devoted catholics are invited even those who defend the catholic faith.
1. Dulia = the honor we give to the saints. We ask them for their intercession through their prayers and we honor them for being holy men and women who lived for Christ. An example of dulia would be "Oh holy saint Anthony, pray for me so that I may be as faithful to Christ as you were Amen."
2. Hyper dulia = the honor that we may give to the Virgin Mary alone. She is recognized as the greatest of all the saints in terms of her intercessory power and rank. Saying a Hail Mary is an example of hyper dulia.
3. Latria = the honor and adoration that is due to God alone. We recognize him as the creator of all things seen and unseen, as the savior of the world, and as the governor of the universe. An example of latria might be "Glory to God in the highest, Lord God heavenly king almighty God and father. We worship you, we give you thanks we praise you for your glory."
Those were just definitions.
For argument sake you can just site any dictionary and define honor and worship differently.
We are looking on how catholics worship god and how do they honor mary. So we can compare the difference.
We worship God by praising him as creator, sustainer, and savior of the world. We genuflect to God alone. We proclaim our belief in and allegiance to the Trinity in our Creeds. We ask God to forgive our sins.
We venerate Mary and other saints using different words. We ask the saints to pray for us.
Ecc 9:5, "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53, "Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
[SUP]1 Corinthians 15:20, " [/SUP]But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."
The Pharisees prayed to dead Rabbis also btw
Isayah 65:3-5, "A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; who sacrifice in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick; Who assemble and spend the night keeping memorials for the dead, who eat swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels, Who say; Stand by yourself! Do not come near me, for I am holier than you! These are a smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all the day."
1 Corinthians 15:51-53, "Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
[SUP]1 Corinthians 15:20, " [/SUP]But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."
The Pharisees prayed to dead Rabbis also btw
Isayah 65:3-5, "A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; who sacrifice in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick; Who assemble and spend the night keeping memorials for the dead, who eat swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels, Who say; Stand by yourself! Do not come near me, for I am holier than you! These are a smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all the day."
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Reformedjason
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The reason you don't understand why we see that you are in error is because you are blinded by traditions if man. You can say you don't worship Mary but in fact you do. You pray to her. Even your pope John Paul the whatever had sewn into his robes " I am totally yours Mary " these are signs of worship. The bible teaches we are to give ourselves to Christ not Mary. We also are to pray to God not Mary. Catholics are not all bad. They need to drop the worship of Mary and idols and worship only the true God of the bible.