Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

zone · Sep 4, 2013

Colossians 2:10
and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood.

zone · Sep 4, 2013

If the apostles preached as part of the Gospel that the kingdom is in existence, and ppl today preach that the kingdom is not in existence - what is their condition? are they preaching a different Gospel?

zone · Sep 4, 2013

Psalm 2
5Then He will speak to them in His anger And terrify them in His fury, saying, 6"But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain." 7"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You

Matthew 4:23
Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

Colossians 1:13
For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves - niv

For he has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his dear Son - nlt

He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son - esv

For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son - nasb

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: - kjv

He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son He loves. - hcsb

Mark 1:15
And he said, “Time is coming to an end. The Kingdom of God has arrived. Repent and believe in The Good News.” - abpe

and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent ye and believe the gospel. - JB2000

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel - kjv2000

Matthew 21:5
"Say to Daughter Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'"

zone said:

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

zone said:

IMO you have an unbelieving heart in this matter, so no amount of scriptural evidence would suffice.

To state that the son of man will not return to earth to rule what he has inherited is simply mind-boggling. The 1000-year earthly reign is not a gap; it is the beginning of Christ's reign on earth, and what all creation groans and travails in pain for:

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:20-22

zone · Sep 4, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

so Romans 8 is referring to the Millennium?
but there are flesh sinners; wars; death; and rebellion against Jesus....right at the end at least.
and then He JUDGES and there's a lake of fire and all that. wrath and stuff.

so how did the 1,000 years do anything to "deliver the creature from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." that the Second Advent WON'T DO.

is that what's it's for? to have face to face rebellion against Jesus and glorified saints and stuff - satan released and running a round, so at the VERY END of it all there is the resurrection and Judgement and people go into the lake of fire and then the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God?

why the 1,000 YEAR EPIC FAIL?

NEW JERUSALEM is the Home goal.

why 1,000 of mystery flesh/glory mixing - unknown soteriology - just to have the New Heavens and New Earth?

when are you going to document the actual Millennium?

BradC · Sep 4, 2013

zone said:

We have the church that is in the world but it does not function as a kingdom having authority over the law, over people or other nations. Christ is the head of the church and we function as a body of believers being members of his body. We obey the laws of the land being subject to principalities and powers and obeying magistrates. The kingdom of God for every believer is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. The kingdom of God is what the believer will inherit with a new glorified body, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. We as God's church body with Christ as the head are to go into all nations to preach the gospel of Christ and him crucified, making disciples, baptizing them and teaching them to observe all things that Christ has commanded, with the promise that he will go with us. We are a people that walk by faith and not by sight with no continuing city but we seek one to come. Christ had no place to lay his head and if we follow him we will be no greater as servants than our master.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

zone said:

I would say that is the case. And beyond...

zone said:

It's called peace on earth.

zone said:

Why is it in your mind an epic fail? A world living in righteousness, peace on earth, increased life spans, the glory and knowledge of GOD covering the earth.

zone said:

I simply don't understand the depths of your confusion.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

The 1000-year millennium is the rest for the old creation. After that, the new creation.

doulos · Sep 4, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Yep that makes sense give the old creation a rest just so it can be replaced. If it is being replaced whay does it need a rest?

vanillakay · Sep 4, 2013

Dispensational premillennialists propose that Christ's return will precede the millennium but will be in two stages: First, to rapture his saints, leaving all others behind, and then after seven years of tribulation, to publicly institute his visible millennial reign. Dispensationalism also has a uniquely Jewish view of the millennium in which God will literally fulfill his OT promises to ethnic Israel, promises not given to Gentile believers.

Historic premillennialists, following some of the early church fathers, teach that the return of Christ will precede a literal thousand years of peace in which Christ would reign upon earth.
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I believe along the lines of this I just hope this is how it really is. But really, who knows? Only God does

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

vanillakay said:

Dispensational premillennialists propose that Christ's return will precede the millennium but will be in two stages: First, to rapture his saints, leaving all others behind, and then after seven years of tribulation, to publicly institute his visible millennial reign. Dispensationalism also has a uniquely Jewish view of the millennium in which God will literally fulfill his OT promises to ethnic Israel, promises not given to Gentile believers.

Historic premillennialists, following some of the early church fathers, teach that the return of Christ will precede a literal thousand years of peace in which Christ would reign upon earth.
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I believe along the lines of this I just hope this is how it really is. But really, who knows? Only God does

IMO dispensationalism gives premillennialism a bad name.

peacefulbeliever · Sep 4, 2013

zone said:

Ok zone. . .I'll go ahead and let you have a laugh since I have already seen your responses to this before.

Why? to fulfill God's yet-unfulfilled promises to Israel. The land that God promised Abraham extended from the Euphrates River on the east to "the River of Egypt" on the west, but Israel has never occupied all the land promised. God is not a man that he should lie. . .therefore, the promises He made He has to fulfill. Genesis 13:14b, 15 Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west. All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. Genesis 17:7,8 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.

You can see the difference in the land distribution from Joshua 14 -21 and then the land distribution prophesied in Ezekiel 48. v29 - This is the land you are to allot as an inheritance to the tribes of Israel and these will be their portions. Also there will be a sacred portion for the prince, the temple, and property of the Levites. . .(v21, 22) In Judges 1:19 - 36, we can see the failure of the Israelites to conquer the land.

Ezekiel 11:15b - 17. . ."They are far away from the LORD; this land was given to us as our possession." Therefore, say: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Although I sent them far away among the nations and scattered them among the countries, yet for a little while I have been a sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone. Therefore say: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.

peacefulbeliever · Sep 4, 2013

zone said:

Really - the apostles preached that the kingdom was in existence in the Gospels? Why did Jesus teach them to pray "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'? Why did the apostles ask if he was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at this time?

1still_waters · Sep 4, 2013

so he promised them the land FOREVER, thus there will be a literal THOUSAND YEAR millennium to fulfill the promise about land FOREVER?

1000=FOREVER?

peacefulbeliever · Sep 4, 2013

1still_waters said:

I didn't say forever - God said forever so He could restore Israel the same as in the Millennial Kingdom when he creates the new heaven and a new earth together with the Holy City, the new Jerusalem and they will maintain their land positions, but I'm not God and scripture doesn't tell us everything so I can not be sure ~ all I know is that the promises of God have to be fulfilled.

I didn't say that there would be a 1,000 years wherein we would reign with Christ. . .God did. I don't question it. . .I just believe it.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

peacefulbeliever said:

This is simply not true.

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45

peacefulbeliever · Sep 4, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Okay ~

Judges 1:19 - 36 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. The Benjamites, however, did not drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; . . . .But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo. . . Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer. . .Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Hahalol. . .Nor did Asher drive out those living in Akko or Sidon or Ahlab. . . .Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh. . . .If they were not able to drive out those living in the area then they did not have possession of that area. . .

Exodus 3:8 So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey -- the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. . . 17 And I have promisted to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites -- a land flowing with milk and honey.

Ex. 13:5 when the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites -- the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey. . . (Exodus 33:3; Numbers 13:27, 16:13,14; Deut. 6:3, 27:3; Joshua 5:6; Ezekiel 20:6,15)

Acts 7:4,5 So he (Abraham) left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Harran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living. He gave him no inheritance here, not even enough ground to set his foot on. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land, . . . .

Ezekiel 37:11 -14 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . . .and Ezekiel 47:13 - Chapter 48 goes into the redistribution of that land to the twelve tribes

HeRoseFromTheDead · Sep 4, 2013

peacefulbeliever said:

That's not GOD's problem. He gave them the land; if they couldn't drive out the enemy, they had to live with it.

But regardless, under David and Solomon all of the land from Egypt to the Euphrates River was under Israel's control.

David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates. 2 Samuel 8:3

And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the [Euphrates] river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life. 1 Kings 4:21

zone · Sep 5, 2013

peacefulbeliever said:

peacefulbeliever;
just open any other commentary except Bullinger or Scofield or whoever you are reading.

that was the captivity to Babylon.
they went.
they were released, some returned, they rebuilt the city....The Pharisees set up; Herod built the Temple, Jesus came, some believed, some didn't; He warned them the apostate city was to receive the Covenant Curses; The Christians saw Jerusalem surrounded and escaped; Titus came.....and this was fulfilled....exactly as Daniel was shown.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

zone · Sep 5, 2013

peacefulbeliever said:

James said it was restored - he understood what the kingdom was:

Acts 15
12And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

16 “‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,

17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18known from of old.’

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