Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

[ChosenbyHim]

so what happened to bring about "The Church Age......between the 69th week and the 70th week. "

why the huge 2000 year GAP?

Well when the Jews rejected the Lord Jesus Christ as their King, the Millennial Kingdom was put off for a time. And that is what brought in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace).

why did the prophetic clock stop?

Well I believe it stopped for the very reason given above Zone. You see, the Prophetic Clock (490 years). We get 490 years from 70 weeks of years.


24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. - Daniel 9:24 (KJV)

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In order to understand God's Prophetic Clock and Time Table, we must look at the Scriptures and see what they tell us concerning Israel and it's future.


Now we know from reading Daniel 9:24, that at the end of 490 years there will be an end of sins will be accomplished and also the transgression will be finished. And knowing that sins have not come to an end yet, that clearly shows that the Prophetic Clock has been stopped for a time. Like I had mentioned in my previous post on this thread, 69 weeks (483 years) have already been fulfilled. The only week that is remaining is the 70th week (7 years).


So again, the Prophetic Clock stopped at the end of the 69th week because Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ) was cut off (at the time of his Crucifixion).

because the jews rejected Jesus so God decided to blind them and call gentiles (in an Age of Pure Grace, the Church Age)?

Well again, remember Zone, that the Gospel that the Lord Jesus and His apostles preached during Jesus's three and a half year ministry on earth, was the Gospel of the Kingdom. They were offering the Kingdom to the Jews.


23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. - Matthew 4:23 (KJV)

35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. - Matthew 9:35 (KJV)


14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. - Matthew 24:14 (KJV)


14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, - Mark 1:14 (KJV)


You see, they were preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to the Jews. Today, we do not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, but we preach the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ (See 1 Corinthians 15:1-6)


Another thing that must be considered is that when the Gospel of the Kingdom was being preached to the Jews in the time of the Lord Jesus and His apostles, the Old Testament was still in effect. You see, the New Testament was brought in by the death of Jesus Christ.



15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. - Hebrews 9:15-17 (KJV)



You have to be dispensational. Otherwise, there are just going to be things that you will not fully understand in Bible Prophecy. I have heard this saying before a couple of times, but it is very true:

"Non-Dispensational Christians make a mess of the Bible."


So to conclude in answering your question Zone, the putting off of the Millennial Kingdom until a later time is what brought in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace) for the Gentiles. And the main reason that the Millennial Kingdom was put off was because the Jews rejected the Lord Jesus and His offer of the Kingdom to them.

then gentiles get raptured away just before....what?

The time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week). Once the church is gone, then the focus shifts back to the Nation of Israel and the Jewish people.

God returns to The Jews and and what....they build a Temple?

Well yes God's focus on Israel in the time of Jacob's trouble.


And the Jews start rebuilding the temple in the time of Jacob's trouble from the 7 year covenant that the anti-christ makes with them to rebuild the temple and to restore the temple sacrifices. But of course, in the middle of the 7 year peace covenant (3.5 years), the anti-christ will break that peace covenant with Israel and will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And as a result, it will be made desolate by the overspreading of abominations (Dan. 9:27).

is He happy with a New Temple?

Not sure how to answer this one.

do they sacrifice animals again?

Good question Zone, again, I am not too sure if they what they will be sacrificing in the time of Jacob's trouble will be exactly animals. Is it possible? Sure. But I cannot say for sure though.

the Antichrist appears where?

Another good question.

The anti-christ appears on the world scene by using force to conquer the nations (see Revelation 6:2).

Now we do know that he will be officially revealed when he stands in the temple and proclaims himself to be God in the middle of Daniel's 70th week (2 Thess. 2:4). So obviously, he will be in Jerusalem when he is offically revealed in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.


Now where will he first appear? That I do not know.

in Jerusalem obviously because you have people being told to pray it's not the Sabbath, to flee Judea and so on. he sits in the New Temple?

Well yes, in the middle of the time of Jacob's trouble. That is correct.

and that makes God angry? or what?

Yes, I believe that this very act is what sets of the Great Tribulation.


14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. - Mark 13:14-20 (KJV)

who is the Antichrist?

Well just as we know that Satan always counterfeits everything about God.

Just like there is a Holy Trinity.

There also is an unholy trinity. Composed of Satan, the anti-christ, and the false prophet.

"The Dragon" (Satan) - is the anti-God.

"The Beast" - is the anti-Christ.

"The False Prophet" - is the anti-Spirit.

 

[zone]

Well when the Jews rejected the Lord Jesus Christ as their King, the Millennial Kingdom was put off for a time. And that is what brought in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace).

Well again, remember Zone, that the Gospel that the Lord Jesus and His apostles preached during Jesus's three and a half year ministry on earth, was the Gospel of the Kingdom. They were offering the Kingdom to the Jews.

so God never intended Jesus to be Crucified?
He just wanted Him to go straight to King of Israel?

when Jesus was crucified because the jews rejected him, did God rewrite the History He had given to make it look like the Lamb was to be slain for them (from the foundation of the world)? when He actually had some other plan in mind but they over threw it?

GET REAL. WHAT BLASPHEMY.

 

[BradC]

so God never intended Jesus to be Crucified?
He just wanted Him to go straight to King of Israel?

when Jesus was crucified because the jews rejected him, did God rewrite the History He had given to make it look like the Lamb was to be slain for them (from the foundation of the world)? when He actually had some other plan in mind but they over threw it?

GET REAL. WHAT BLASPHEMY.

Just consider this in whatever way you do. When God created Lucifer, he was most beautiful and was covered with precious stones. However, iniquity was found in him, his covering was lifted and he was discharged of his duties and removed, being replaced by (4) cherubs and no plan to redeem Lucifer or those who fell with him. Was it the will of God to create this being Lucifer and to have him fall and because of this, did not God have to devise a plan to deal with him in heaven above, in heaven below (in the realm of the air and atmosphere just above the earth) and upon the earth also? Did not God prepare the lake of eternal fire for the devil and his angels according to Matt 25:41? God created man in his image and likeness, who fell also, but God covered him with coats of skin through the shedding of blood of an animal, pointing to the shed blood of Christ, who was slain at the appointed time (some 4,000 years later) and also slain before the foundation of the world in the mind of God's reality of eternal redemption. Redemption for man, before the cross took place, was just as effective in terms of eternal redemption than it was after the cross, the difference for man who sinned before the cross was that no matter how many times priests made sacrifices they could not take away sin but only temporarily appease the one and only holy God.

Concerning Israel and the Jews, they did not as a nation or as a chosen people recognize the one who was sent as their Messiah. Do you think is was irresponsible and unfair of God not to provide a plan of redemption for Lucifer and the angels that fell with him and to be a respecter of persons and provide a plan of redemption for fallen man? Did not God love his angels who committed iniquity against him and the throne of God. Has He no compassion for his angel whom he created for his pleasure? Would you accused God of blasphemy for his own plan and decisions for doing such a thing? Here I am being rhetorical again. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the plan of God for those who he has chosen and set apart as a people and nation. God waited some 4,000 years (before and after the law) for the appointed time to send his Son so that man could be justified by faith through the shed blood. Why is it blasphemy for God to have some 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th week, having that time to bring in the Gentiles of all nations (and those Jews who would believe) until their time is fulfilled? Once fulfilled he could return to the nation of Israel, his chosen people, and deliver them after their long term chastisment as a people who had been scattered and given into the hands of so many.

Does this do away with the sacrifice of Christ, NO! He is coming back (not the rapture but the second coming) and this time it is unto salvation and all of Israel will see him as he is (with nail prints and wounded side) whom they have pierced. This time they will received him in mourning and sorrow for rejecting him the first time. At this coming time the nations will be judged and the kingdom of God will be restored to Israel and be set up with it's headquarters in Jerusalem (Israel as the head of all nations) and all nations will be judged by the throne of David for 1,000 years. Where will the church be during the 1,000 year reign?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

That's not GOD's problem. He gave them the land; if they couldn't drive out the enemy, they had to live with it.

But regardless, under David and Solomon all of the land from Egypt to the Euphrates River was under Israel's control.

David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates. 2 Samuel 8:3

And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the [Euphrates] river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life. 1 Kings 4:21
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During the days of David and Solomon is the closest they came to conquering and possessing the land but even then the full extent of the promise God made to Abraham was never realized and this promise must be fulfilled.

Acts 7:4,5 So he (Abraham) left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Harran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living. He gave him no inheritance here, not even enough ground to set his foot on. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land, . . . .

Why did Stephen say the above?

Ezekiel 37:11 -14 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . . .and Ezekiel 47:13 - Chapter 48 goes into the redistribution of that land to the twelve tribes

When does the above occur?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

During the days of David and Solomon is the closest they came to conquering and possessing the land but even then the full extent of the promise God made to Abraham was never realized and this promise must be fulfilled.

Acts 7:4,5 So he (Abraham) left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Harran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living. He gave him no inheritance here, not even enough ground to set his foot on. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land, . . . .

Why did Stephen say the above?

Ezekiel 37:11 -14 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . . .and Ezekiel 47:13 - Chapter 48 goes into the redistribution of that land to the twelve tribes

When does the above occur?

people forget. the promise made to abraham was not a one time promise, it was a "forever" promise. Meaning the land given to abraham STILL BELONGS TO HIM. The people are not there because of their sin, If they repent, according to lev 26. they will return. Or else God is a liar.

The prophesy you wrote there speaks of this future repentance and renewal of the covenant made to abraham.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

During the days of David and Solomon is the closest they came to conquering and possessing the land but even then the full extent of the promise God made to Abraham was never realized and this promise must be fulfilled.

You're making GOD out to be a liar; for the book says:

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45
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It can't get any plainer than that.
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[peacefulbeliever]

peacefulbeliever;
just open any other commentary except Bullinger or Scofield or whoever you are reading.

that was the captivity to Babylon.
they went.
they were released, some returned, they rebuilt the city....The Pharisees set up; Herod built the Temple, Jesus came, some believed, some didn't; He warned them the apostate city was to receive the Covenant Curses; The Christians saw Jerusalem surrounded and escaped; Titus came.....and this was fulfilled....exactly as Daniel was shown.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

zone, I never even heard of Scofield before I heard his name from you. Yes, I have read Bullinger. . and I have also studied and compared scripture (hopefully with the guiding of the Holy Spirit) and this is how I understand the topic of this thread. I believe we are talking about the Millennial Kingdom and the purpose for it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[/COLOR]You're making GOD out to be a liar; for the book says:

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45
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It can't get any plainer than that.

No,

What makes God a liar is saying Israel will never repent. and due to that repentnance never be restored.

Again. God did not make a one time promise, he made a "forever" promise.

Big difference.

why?

If it was one time, it was fulfilled

If it is forever, it is still binding.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

James said it was restored - he understood what the kingdom was:

Acts 15
12And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

16 “‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,

17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18known from of old.’

If we go to Amos 9:11,12 where this quote in v16 and 17 is from . . . the context is Israel's restoration . . . and continue reading:

the days are coming, declares the LORD, when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills, and I will bring my people Israel back from exile. . . . v15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the LORD your God.

I don't believe this has happened yet. . . .but it will. . .

Ezekiel 37:11 -14 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . . .and Ezekiel 47:13 - Chapter 48 goes into the redistribution of that land to the twelve tribes

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't believe this has happened yet. . . .but it will. . .

Ezekiel 37:11 -14 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . . .and Ezekiel 47:13 - Chapter 48 goes into the redistribution of that land to the twelve tribes

This is referring to Pentecost when Israel was restored, or the first resurrection, or both.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[/COLOR]You're making GOD out to be a liar; for the book says:

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45
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It can't get any plainer than that.

How have I made God a liar? If I go in to take land/country as my possession but yet I do not drive away all inhabitants then that land/country is not fully my possession. I am sharing that land/country but I could still rule over that land/country. . .

Again. . .

Judges 1:19 - 36 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. The Benjamites, however, did not drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; . . . .But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo. . . Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer. . .Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Hahalol. . .Nor did Asher drive out those living in Akko or Sidon or Ahlab. . . .Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh. . . .If they were not able to drive out those living in the area then they did not have possession of that area. . .

Isn't the above scripture also inspired by God? Can we have contradictions in scripture? No. So if the original owners (possessors) of the land were not fully driven out they still had ownership of the land they inhabited.

But if you want to think that I am lying or making God a liar ~ sorry you see it that way.

 

[brodiefranklin]

The antichrist is anyone who doesn't confess Jesus as coming in the flesh. A deceiver

 

[peacefulbeliever]

This is referring to Pentecost when Israel was restored, or the first resurrection, or both.

All of Israel has been restored. . . it was restored at Pentecost? Okay. . . .

Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

Isee this as the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is referring to Pentecost when Israel was restored, or the first resurrection, or both.

lol.. could you please explain this. can you show us by taking the ezekial passage apart. snd showing us just how pentecost fulfilled this passage?

ps. Israel was not restored at pentecost. don't know how people come up with this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of Israel has been restored. . . it was restored at Pentecost? Okay. . . .

Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

Isee this as the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just.

Hey sis, can you explain this? when were the "just" promised land given to Abraham? just trying to see where your coming from.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

lol.. could you please explain this. can you show us by taking the ezekial passage apart. snd showing us just how pentecost fulfilled this passage?

ps. Israel was not restored at pentecost. don't know how people come up with this.

All Israel united in messiah:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, ...
there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. ...
Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem...
Ye men of Israel, hear these words...
let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2
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[eternally-gratefull]

All Israel united in messiah:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, ...
there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. ...
Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem...
Ye men of Israel, hear these words...
let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2
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what does that have to do with this?

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;

this did not happen at pentecost..

I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

this has never happened yet, let alone at pentecost!!

[SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

This certainly did not happen.

1. They continued in their transgressions and idol worship.
2. They fought the church, and tried to stop its growth even as far as the furthest gentile nation.
3. They were not restored. In Fact just a few years later they were completely scattered throughout the whole world due to THEIR SIN. Which The prophet said would never again happen.
4. They are still fighting against the church, Still committing transgressions, and still playing with their idols today.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever;

This certainly did not happen. Again, in 70 ad they were scattered completely. And did not live in the land God gave to their fathers and the land they lived in. And certainly no king (christ) reigned over them.

So again, I ask. How can you say this??

 

[zone]

Why is it blasphemy for God to have some 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th week,

that's bungling error.
ludicrous.

70 weeks for Daniel's people FULFILLED. the 70th followed the 69th exactly as it was said to.
this system just blows my mind. and it's so easily debunked....yet ppl will stand on it to the end - it's ANOTHER GOSPEL, man.

no Plan B gap.

this hyper-dispensationalism makes God out to be a deceiver or not omniscient!

1) He promised Israel a redeemer but never intended to give Him to them WHEN HE SAID HE WOULD
2) He didn't foresee His rejection by SOME (and the REMNANT being saved)

Why is it blasphemy for God to have some 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th week having that time to bring in the Gentiles of all nations (and those Jews who would believe) until their time is fulfilled?

hold up - you have jews in there.
so what's up with that?

is the Church jew & gentile or not?

what are the jews in there for if they're blind?

exactly whose plan was it that Jesus be crucified for the sins of the people Israel?
God's?

or did Jesus get crucified BY THE PLAN OF MEN (blind jews) and God went into FIX IT MODE?

Once fulfilled he could return to the nation of Israel, his chosen people, and deliver them after their long term chastisment as a people who had been scattered and given into the hands of so many.

oh a lovely story.
too bad He already DID IT.

when He said He would.

here's the core of this satanic doctrine:

"Perhaps the central doctrine of dispensationalism is the distinction between Israel and the church. Dispensationalism sees Israel as an earthly people with earthly promises, and the church as a heavenly people with heavenly promises. Membership in Israel is by natural birth.15 One enters the church by supernatural birth. Dispensationalists view Israel and the church as having distinct eternal destinies. Israel will receive an eternal earthly Kingdom, and the church an eternal heavenly Kingdom.

Darby, the father of dispensationalism, stated the distinction in the clearest of terms: "The Jewish nation is never to enter the church."

Christian Zionism, Left Behind and Rapture - Bible Quotes < click

Does this do away with the sacrifice of Christ, NO! He is coming back (not the rapture but the second coming) and this time it is unto salvation and all of Israel will see him as he is (with nail prints and wounded side) whom they have pierced. This time they will received him in mourning and sorrow for rejecting him the first time. At this coming time the nations will be judged and the kingdom of God will be restored to Israel and be set up with it's headquarters in Jerusalem (Israel as the head of all nations) and all nations will be judged by the throne of David for 1,000 years.

ya....i know the narrative.

Where will the church be during the 1,000 year reign?

i don't know - you tell me - it's your fable.
off to the side somewhere?
in heaven?
serving Israel?

"the kingdom of God will be restored to Israel and be set up with it's headquarters in Jerusalem (Israel as the head of all nations) and all nations will be judged by the throne of David for 1,000 years."

Where will the church be during the 1,000 year reign?

there's no 1,000 year reign.

you missed the whole thing (one man in Christ - jew & gentile) because you have been indoctrinated by Samuel Untermyer's special friend's Scofield Reference Bible.


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Applied to the church -
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place..."But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on my maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.' -Acts 2:1,16-21

Spoken to Israel -
'And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." -Exodus 19:6

Applied to the church -
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;" -1 Peter 2:9

Spoken to Israel -
"My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people." -Ezekiel 37:27

Applied to the church -
"And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." -2 Cor 6:16

Spoken to Israel -
"Speak to all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say to them: 'You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy." -Lev 19:2

Applied to the church -
"but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy." -1 Peter 1:15-16

Spoken to Israel -
"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah--" -Jer 31:31

Applied to the church -
"Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." -Luke 22:20

.....to bring in the Gentiles of all nations (and those Jews who would believe)

= CHURCH.

 

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All of Israel has been restored. . . it was restored at Pentecost? Okay. . . .

Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them: I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. . . .

Isee this as the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just.

PENTECOST.
they returned FROM Babylon.

in.......time........for: DRUM ROLL - JESUS!

you guys & gals just skip right over the CLIMAX of all History to date.
amazing.

 

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what does that have to do with this?

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;

this did not happen at pentecost..

I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

this has never happened yet, let alone at pentecost!!

[SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

This certainly did not happen.

1. They continued in their transgressions and idol worship.
2. They fought the church, and tried to stop its growth even as far as the furthest gentile nation.
3. They were not restored. In Fact just a few years later they were completely scattered throughout the whole world due to THEIR SIN. Which The prophet said would never again happen.
4. They are still fighting against the church, Still committing transgressions, and still playing with their idols today.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever;

This certainly did not happen. Again, in 70 ad they were scattered completely. And did not live in the land God gave to their fathers and the land they lived in. And certainly no king (christ) reigned over them.

So again, I ask. How can you say this??

You're selectively seeing what you want to see.

Men from Israel and Judah were gathered in Jerusalem and restored together in Christ. One new man; the true Israel which does not defile itself with idols. You're confusing Israel with imposters.