One True Faith When We Are In Christ

[Josh321]

Blessings brothers and sisters, just wanted to share a free things 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:13-15


now if there is many in the body of christ, one same spirit and that spirit doesn't contradict itself, which mean every single person that is born again will be baptised in the same spirit.. so ask me this why is there so many denominations? or so many man made theories of the word of God, doesn't that clearly speak out to you that something is wrong or someone went wrong somewhere? hope you can atleast think about it, 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13


now how could everyone claim to be born again when they have a different theory of the word of God? it's clearly something is missing in the churches today, just a massive fall away that deceiving many people down the wrong directions

 

[Hizikyah]

This is a subject that not many want to touch, but it is vital if one is seriously wanting to follow the Messiah.

Very simply put, many people that think they are following Yahshua are not.

Mattithyah 7:13-14, "Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in nYour Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you
who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

 

[Josh321]

This is a subject that not many want to touch, but it is vital if one is seriously wanting to follow the Messiah.

Very simply put, many people that think they are following Yahshua are not.

Mattithyah 7:13-14, "Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in nYour Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you
who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

think the important word here is " few " and the thing is no much people actually following the will of God and no one really understands how important this situation is, it's literally LIFE AND DEATH eternally, there is no room for pride ignorance or nothing else in it just stick to the word of God, and i'm only making these threads because i love everyone.. i really don't want to see anyone going down the wrong road

 

[Hizikyah]

think the important word here is " few " and the thing is no much people actually following the will of God and no one really understands how important this situation is, it's literally LIFE AND DEATH eternally, there is no room for pride ignorance or nothing else in it just stick to the word of God, and i'm only making these threads because i love everyone.. i really don't want to see anyone going down the wrong road

HalleluYAHWEH! that is love, trying to guide people back to what our Heavenly Father wants.

Im just saying, DONT GET DISCOURAGED, you may not even realize you have an effect, but keep it up. this is the kind of thing people need to wake up and evaluate themselve (myself included) against the Scriptures.

KEEP IT UP!

 

[RedTent]

I have wondered about this so often, and prayed about it. I think the answer is in the written word.

Moses brought the stone tablets of the law to the people on the same day of the year that the Holy Spirit was given, on the day Pentecost was celebrated, on Shavuot. They are related, they are to be used together. We are given understanding and our heart is changed through the Holy Spirit, but it must be used with the word, every word of the 66 books.

When people get strange ideas that do not agree, it is always because they read one scripture without putting it together with all the others. It is because they feel they can ignore other scriptures. It is done with many biblical teachings such as law, grace, legalism, judgment, even love.

 

[Hizikyah]

it is always because they read one scripture without putting it together with all the others.

And certianly Yahweh has left us the Scriptures as a learning tool, to get to know who He is and what He wants. I agree with all you said SISTER redtent.

Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Im not too much into analogies but....

if we love our spouse would we not want to get to know everything about them?

if you spouse after 20 years didnt even know simple things about you wouldnt you feel like, wow this person dosent know/love me?

maybe it just me but i feel like if i dont really sekk the knowledge of Yahweh i dont "all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might"

i want to get to know Him through and through, look at His love for us, that alone is pulling at my heart.

 

[Josh321]

I have wondered about this so often, and prayed about it. I think the answer is in the written word.

Moses brought the stone tablets of the law to the people on the same day of the year that the Holy Spirit was given, on the day Pentecost was celebrated, on Shavuot. They are related, they are to be used together. We are given understanding and our heart is changed through the Holy Spirit, but it must be used with the word, every word of the 66 books.

When people get strange ideas that do not agree, it is always because they read one scripture without putting it together with all the others. It is because they feel they can ignore other scriptures. It is done with many biblical teachings such as law, grace, legalism, judgment, even love.

The point is something is wrong weather no one wants to admit it, the holy spirit is one spirit and we are all one in christ so who ever is born again should have the same spirit and have the same faith to follow the same gospel, you know what the problem here is? man has made a new theory to born again, that is the problem, when they aren't actually born again i've seen so many theories to you must be born again by man and leading the people even further away from God, some people believe that born again is to go on the alter and confess your a sinner and ask jesus to come in, and that's it... i saw that live for myself and i felt so terrible inside.. because they leading the people away with this thoery.. it is wrong.. born again must be A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE if you never experience this supernatural experience then you aren't born again... and we MUST be born again to see the kingdom of heaven, some other churches got this theory that if people confess their sins and swear to be apart of that church until the day comes then they are saved... you see that? twisting Gods word completely, that is why we have so many denominations and man made creeds in this time and it's sad that the people in the world who don't know better looking to these people to help and they taking just strawing them more further away to their damnation..
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. [h=3]John 6:44[/h]
do you see that? NOT A SINGLE PERSON CAN COME TO GOD UNLESS GOD HIMSELF DRAWS THEM NEAR, so how can MAN tell another MAN two corruptible beings come to the altar to be " born of the spirit" ? how can the corruptible make a corruptible incorruptible? it's impossible only God can do that and he must draw you near before anything happens, i know that near death experience i had was my calling, because i didn't die i got scared and ran home immediately confess my sins to my mother everything i did wrong then went to church that same even and prayed in fullness with faith and truth IN MY HEART and accepted that calling and my life is a living TESTIMONY that God did something amazing to me and gave me understanding of his word

 

[Josh321]

So how can anyone say they know the will of God when they aren't born again?

 

[p_rehbein]

Blessings brothers and sisters, just wanted to share a free things 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:13-15


now if there is many in the body of christ, one same spirit and that spirit doesn't contradict itself, which mean every single person that is born again will be baptised in the same spirit.. so ask me this why is there so many denominations? or so many man made theories of the word of God, doesn't that clearly speak out to you that something is wrong or someone went wrong somewhere? hope you can atleast think about it, 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13


now how could everyone claim to be born again when they have a different theory of the word of God? it's clearly something is missing in the churches today, just a massive fall away that deceiving many people down the wrong directions

The "oneness' of salvation..........is different than denominations..........in my opinion........Not even the Early Church was of "one mind" when it came to teaching the Gospel...........I suggest you read the Book of Acts........especially the 15th Chapter to see the division between the Congregation/Elders, and even the Apostles.......

 

[p_rehbein]

The point is something is wrong weather no one wants to admit it, the holy spirit is one spirit and we are all one in christ so who ever is born again should have the same spirit and have the same faith to follow the same gospel, you know what the problem here is? man has made a new theory to born again, that is the problem, when they aren't actually born again i've seen so many theories to you must be born again by man and leading the people even further away from God, some people believe that born again is to go on the alter and confess your a sinner and ask jesus to come in, and that's it... i saw that live for myself and i felt so terrible inside.. because they leading the people away with this thoery.. it is wrong.. born again must be A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE if you never experience this supernatural experience then you aren't born again... and we MUST be born again to see the kingdom of heaven, some other churches got this theory that if people confess their sins and swear to be apart of that church until the day comes then they are saved... you see that? twisting Gods word completely, that is why we have so many denominations and man made creeds in this time and it's sad that the people in the world who don't know better looking to these people to help and they taking just strawing them more further away to their damnation..
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44


do you see that? NOT A SINGLE PERSON CAN COME TO GOD UNLESS GOD HIMSELF DRAWS THEM NEAR, so how can MAN tell another MAN two corruptible beings come to the altar to be " born of the spirit" ? how can the corruptible make a corruptible incorruptible? it's impossible only God can do that and he must draw you near before anything happens, i know that near death experience i had was my calling, because i didn't die i got scared and ran home immediately confess my sins to my mother everything i did wrong then went to church that same even and prayed in fullness with faith and truth IN MY HEART and accepted that calling and my life is a living TESTIMONY that God did something amazing to me and gave me understanding of his word

being born again is speaking of a Spiritual rebirth, not a physical one, and that rebirth is by "Grace" and that a gift of God, and not by works lest any man should boast.........Jesus Himself said that YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven..........being "drawn" to Him is what is known as being "convicted" by the Holy Spirit which of course comes first, but we MUST choose to repent and humble ourselves before Him and accept Him as our Lord and Saviour, AND THAT IS WHEN WE ARE born anew, with a New Spirit............the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit...........

my thoughts

 

[Josh321]

being born again is speaking of a Spiritual rebirth, not a physical one, and that rebirth is by "Grace" and that a gift of God, and not by works lest any man should boast.........Jesus Himself said that YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven..........being "drawn" to Him is what is known as being "convicted" by the Holy Spirit which of course comes first, but we MUST choose to repent and humble ourselves before Him and accept Him as our Lord and Saviour, AND THAT IS WHEN WE ARE born anew, with a New Spirit............the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit...........

my thoughts

yes this is true but some people believe that born again is just like " ok jesus i'm ready for you to live my life now come into to me" as you said it must be a spiritual rebirth must have a personal experience to feel this birth or your still the same in the flesh if you haven't receive this personal experience of the spiritual rebirth, every person must feel this experience to enter the kingdom because only then you will know you truly are born again

 

[p_rehbein]

yes this is true but some people believe that born again is just like " ok jesus i'm ready for you to live my life now come into to me" as you said it must be a spiritual rebirth must have a personal experience to feel this birth or your still the same in the flesh if you haven't receive this personal experience of the spiritual rebirth, every person must feel this experience to enter the kingdom because only then you will know you truly are born again

and that knowledge comes from our spiritual growth as believers and as we transition from what the Apostle called carnal Christians to spiritual Christians.........or, from new believers, babes, to adult/mature believers through the study of the Word, walking with Christ guiding our steps, and being obedient to His calling for us.

my thoughts.......

 

[cfultz3]

You are right, Josh. If there is just one Truth, then why do we have so many different opinions which subjugate themselves into different denominations? One would say that Jesus is the Christ, while another would say that He was a just man. One denomination would say that we are to work for salvation, while yet another would say that works is evidence of a true faith.

It seems there is something missing. Something is not quite right. Where is this one Truth? If it is the administration of the Spirit to lead into all Truth, then it would seem that the Spirit is missing. But, then again, one is led to believe that we are to keep all holy days, while another is led to believe that all days are the same. Yet, it is the same Spirit who leads both. So, who is right, the one who keeps holy days or the one who considers them all the same? I would say that both are right. But yet, as a religious man, I would deem the one opposing my view on this as wrong, although we are told to each his own as he deems right.

It is said by some that we should keep the Law, period. But, sometimes they fail to recognize that there are two Laws: the Law of God and the Law of sin. I suppose, as you or someone else mentioned, people do not take the whole Scripture into consideration, but merely the verse they are honing in on. Yet, we cannot say they are not being lead by the Spirit, perhaps it is a young Christian who has zeal and want others to know what the Spirit is teaching them before the Spirit reaches His climatic lesson.

So then, in the end, we are left with different denominations who argue different positions of understanding. I guess it could be thought of as grade school. Some drop out in early grades, while others progress onward to higher grades, while the fewer proceeds still onward. But, can we say that those with less knowledge is any lesser than those of a higher knowledge? Perhaps, where they stand, is where the Spirit is working with them to continue with their tutorage. Even perhaps, they feel they have reached full knowledge and there is no need for them to move forward, although it says that we only know in part until that which is perfect shall come.

I guess what I am saying is: there is but one Truth and that comes by the Spirit. But yet, people are at different stages of their tutorage from Him and until Christ come, there will always be those at different stages.

 

[RedTent]

Cfultz: I guess what I am saying is: there is but one Truth and that comes by the Spirit. But yet, people are at different stages of their tutorage from Him and until Christ come, there will always be those at different stages.

I still think that often when we say "truth by the spirit" we are often kidding ourselves.

It is true that unless we are born in the spirit we cannot understand and know truth, it is necessary. But if we depend on the spirit without the word, we cannot depend on spirit being truth. We would have to be perfect and sinless humans for that to happen and we aren't. Through Christ, those who are born again have times of being completely cleansed of sin when they offer themselves completely to Christ. But we humans must discipline ourselves with the written word in order to have truth. Without it, we cannot trust ourselves to be perfect.

 

[Josh321]

You are right, Josh. If there is just one Truth, then why do we have so many different opinions which subjugate themselves into different denominations? One would say that Jesus is the Christ, while another would say that He was a just man. One denomination would say that we are to work for salvation, while yet another would say that works is evidence of a true faith.

It seems there is something missing. Something is not quite right. Where is this one Truth? If it is the administration of the Spirit to lead into all Truth, then it would seem that the Spirit is missing. But, then again, one is led to believe that we are to keep all holy days, while another is led to believe that all days are the same. Yet, it is the same Spirit who leads both. So, who is right, the one who keeps holy days or the one who considers them all the same? I would say that both are right. But yet, as a religious man, I would deem the one opposing my view on this as wrong, although we are told to each his own as he deems right.

It is said by some that we should keep the Law, period. But, sometimes they fail to recognize that there are two Laws: the Law of God and the Law of sin. I suppose, as you or someone else mentioned, people do not take the whole Scripture into consideration, but merely the verse they are honing in on. Yet, we cannot say they are not being lead by the Spirit, perhaps it is a young Christian who has zeal and want others to know what the Spirit is teaching them before the Spirit reaches His climatic lesson.

So then, in the end, we are left with different denominations who argue different positions of understanding. I guess it could be thought of as grade school. Some drop out in early grades, while others progress onward to higher grades, while the fewer proceeds still onward. But, can we say that those with less knowledge is any lesser than those of a higher knowledge? Perhaps, where they stand, is where the Spirit is working with them to continue with their tutorage. Even perhaps, they feel they have reached full knowledge and there is no need for them to move forward, although it says that we only know in part until that which is perfect shall come.

I guess what I am saying is: there is but one Truth and that comes by the Spirit. But yet, people are at different stages of their tutorage from Him and until Christ come, there will always be those at different stages.

exactly brother, the spirit is missing, that's why denominations even exist man made creeds, but notice what the scripture said ALL truth never said some or a little ALL so we would be lead to nothing but the truth, now if we have so many denominations it has to be the spirit is missing because the truth doesn't differ it's one truth, i'm going to share my thoughts and what has happen to me since i got converted or what i see when i read the bible, and i believe eveyone else who is truly born again of the holy spirit should see the same thing as well, after i got saved i started seeing the world differently and could actually understand what the bible is saying or who it is meant for, i notice that we were all made completely blind so we cannot see what the bible is saying or have no knowledge without it but when you receive the holy spirit it's like a magnifying glass that magnifies everything you can see exactly what it is saying, now some people might say they have the truth in them and the truth tells them they have to observe the sabbath to be safe but as i read the bible i see clearly that the 10 commandments was never meant for the gentiles in the first place and the jews even stopped follow it until God made a new convenant with them to implant his laws into their minds so it's the only thing they would know about, and that is why they cannot recognise Jesus at this moment because they are blind, yet someone who claims to have the holy spirit still observes the 10 commandment, some pentecostal churches are the same thing but the only thing is they believe that the sabbath is on sunday which is also wrong, so we got 2 man made theories there already and alot more, now i'm not trying to be mean to anyone or what you fellow i'm just saying the truth and showing what i believe in since i got converted, and honestly i don't believe a specific day matters on worship but sunday should be the day because that is the day on our and savior rise and forever lives so we give praise and thanks on that day

 

[cfultz3]

I still think that often when we say "truth by the spirit" we are often kidding ourselves.

It is true that unless we are born in the spirit we cannot understand and know truth, it is necessary. But if we depend on the spirit without the word, we cannot depend on spirit being truth. We would have to be perfect and sinless humans for that to happen and we aren't. Through Christ, those who are born again have times of being completely cleansed of sin when they offer themselves completely to Christ. But we humans must discipline ourselves with the written word in order to have truth. Without it, we cannot trust ourselves to be perfect.

That should go without saying, Redtent. The Spirit will speak what is said in the written Word. Without knowing the written Word, we could be misled by a false spirit. I agree with you. Nevertheless, it is the Spirit who leads into all Truth.

 

[Josh321]

Honestly i think the problem is.. this generation has been indicted, why i saw that because of this 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[h=3]Hebrews 6:4-6[/h]
some people see the power of God and the holy spirit moving tremendously among the church but despite seeing this they still run back to their denominations denying the gift of God putting him to an open shame and fellowshipping in his word but still rejecting it.. that is putting him to an open shame and by doing this condemning themselves

 

[Josh321]

I still think that often when we say "truth by the spirit" we are often kidding ourselves.

It is true that unless we are born in the spirit we cannot understand and know truth, it is necessary. But if we depend on the spirit without the word, we cannot depend on spirit being truth. We would have to be perfect and sinless humans for that to happen and we aren't. Through Christ, those who are born again have times of being completely cleansed of sin when they offer themselves completely to Christ. But we humans must discipline ourselves with the written word in order to have truth. Without it, we cannot trust ourselves to be perfect.

the spirit is the word sis, so the word and understand will come naturally when we are born again

 

[cfultz3]

exactly brother, the spirit is missing, that's why denominations even exist man made creeds, but notice what the scripture said ALL truth never said some or a little ALL so we would be lead to nothing but the truth, now if we have so many denominations it has to be the spirit is missing because the truth doesn't differ it's one truth, i'm going to share my thoughts and what has happen to me since i got converted or what i see when i read the bible, and i believe eveyone else who is truly born again of the holy spirit should see the same thing as well, after i got saved i started seeing the world differently and could actually understand what the bible is saying or who it is meant for, i notice that we were all made completely blind so we cannot see what the bible is saying or have no knowledge without it but when you receive the holy spirit it's like a magnifying glass that magnifies everything you can see exactly what it is saying, now some people might say they have the truth in them and the truth tells them they have to observe the sabbath to be safe but as i read the bible i see clearly that the 10 commandments was never meant for the gentiles in the first place and the jews even stopped follow it until God made a new convenant with them to implant his laws into their minds so it's the only thing they would know about, and that is why they cannot recognise Jesus at this moment because they are blind, yet someone who claims to have the holy spirit still observes the 10 commandment, some pentecostal churches are the same thing but the only thing is they believe that the sabbath is on sunday which is also wrong, so we got 2 man made theories there already and alot more, now i'm not trying to be mean to anyone or what you fellow i'm just saying the truth and showing what i believe in since i got converted, and honestly i don't believe a specific day matters on worship but sunday should be the day because that is the day on our and savior rise and forever lives so we give praise and thanks on that day

And as each is lead, so let him be led. It is said that we are to follow God's Law. Some will go into that thinking all laws are from God and must be obeyed.. Some will go into it thinking that Christ fulfilled certain aspects of that Law and what remains is God's Law (Love). Yet, another will go in thinking that any obedience nullifies faith. But, one thing we see here is that all three are led by an earnest desire to know God. Who are we to say that the Spirit must start His tutorage at a particular point for all, knowing that we all come from different outlooks in life? I believe the Spirit leads each from where that person stands and in the end, we all come to the same knowledge.

But, do not misunderstand me. Some, in their zest, declare early in their "walk to the Truth" that what they know is the absolute Truth and will come into conflict with those in front, even some behind them. You are right brother Josh. This is only one Truth and one path which leads to It and only One who leads to It (Him), but we all do not walk a straight line, some are closer to the crown of life than others.

But yet, there are some who has died in their walk. Yet, there are some who has fallen, but the Coach is right there with them to edge them onward to the Truth. It is only when we walk off the track that we have abandoned the race and the One who leads us to the finish line. Until we all have finished the race, there are people all over the tract.

My brother, I will see you at the finish line. Whoever gets there first, let us not forget those we have left behind, those still being led by the Spirit to Truth.

 

[RedTent]

Cfultz; And as each is lead, so let him be led. It is said that we are to follow God's Law. Some will go into that thinking all laws are from God and must be obeyed.. Some will go into it thinking that Christ fulfilled certain aspects of that Law and what remains is God's Law (Love). Yet, another will go in thinking that any obedience nullifies faith. But, one thing we see here is that all three are led by an earnest desire to know God. Who are we to say that the Spirit must start His tutorage at a particular point for all, knowing that we all come from different outlooks in life? I believe the Spirit leads each from where that person stands and in the end, we all come to the same knowledge.

This gets us back into the written word. It says Christ fulfilled certain aspects of law and it tells us, one by one, exactly which aspects God made obsolete like animal blood is obsolete through His blood. We can take each law God gave and find the love and desire for man to live safely and happily, or God's love for us, behind each one. We can go to the ancient Hebrew definition of faith and see that it includes acting on that faith. Differences can only come by not being led to scripture by our spirit.