LOVE IS fULFILLING THE LAW OF GOD BUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU MAY IGNORE GOD'S LAW
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There was this story a man I respect told me. He said I was a leaf on a tree. I found that rather unromantic and took offense. But he kept at me until I understood it.
He said there was an orchard. The orchard was owned by a farmer who cared for the trees. he cared for the ground, fertilized it, tilled it... Pruned the bad branches from the tree... and cared for the tree so that they tree had every opportunity to do what It was supposed to do.
Now the Tree, soaks up the nutrients from the ground and the water. The tree processes the light to be alive and bring life. While the farmer worked the surface of the Ground, the Tree dug way down into the ground to find the nutrients it needed to do it's job.
And then there are the leaves. The leaves bring the energy of the sun to the tree to make it all work. But at any time, the Tree may take one of those leaves and turn it into a branch. And that branch may be selected to bear fruit. BEAR FRUIT means carry the fruit the TREE Made. No branch can decide when to have fruit. That is dependent on the tree for the command, the timing, the nutrients, and the energy to happen.
Saying you love God because you work your behind off your shoulders to obey the commandments, is like saying the branch made fruit so good the Tree got jealous.
The branch is nothing without the tree, the tree does all the work, the Branch just gets to hold it for a little while.
You are saved to be instruments of His righteousness. Instruments, OR TOOLS, require the carpenter to hoist them and use them. Jesus described the ways HE used his tools as the tools doing things. But they were things for other people.
There is a reason the KJV used CHARITY as a word for Agapao.
If you contend that your love for God is determined by how well you can keep the commandments, I'd like to introduce you to GOD. You keep the commandments because you first learn to love Him as He does.
If you love correctly, you do not have fear. Fear is caused because of the threat of punishment. I.E. because you don't keep the commandments. If you are fearing if you don't keep the commandments, the verse says you don't yet know how to love correctly. If at all.
The same verses say that if you DO LOVE then God is in you and He is in you. Likewise if you lack the love, you lack Him.
some's position contends they can do the commandments first, and that will give them the love. But 1 john 4, and the vine parable lead me to conclude if I keep the commandments it's because HE empowers me, the Tree and the Gardner. To say I keep them of my own to show I love, usurps God's role from the whole event. That tells me the person making that claim, is yet to know God, they still live out of fear of punishment. God is love, and they don't have mature love in them yet. THIS is my exegesis and application of the mentioned verses/parable. Attack the parable and the verses, not my person.
Exegesis, not bs personal attacks.
He said there was an orchard. The orchard was owned by a farmer who cared for the trees. he cared for the ground, fertilized it, tilled it... Pruned the bad branches from the tree... and cared for the tree so that they tree had every opportunity to do what It was supposed to do.
Now the Tree, soaks up the nutrients from the ground and the water. The tree processes the light to be alive and bring life. While the farmer worked the surface of the Ground, the Tree dug way down into the ground to find the nutrients it needed to do it's job.
And then there are the leaves. The leaves bring the energy of the sun to the tree to make it all work. But at any time, the Tree may take one of those leaves and turn it into a branch. And that branch may be selected to bear fruit. BEAR FRUIT means carry the fruit the TREE Made. No branch can decide when to have fruit. That is dependent on the tree for the command, the timing, the nutrients, and the energy to happen.
Saying you love God because you work your behind off your shoulders to obey the commandments, is like saying the branch made fruit so good the Tree got jealous.
The branch is nothing without the tree, the tree does all the work, the Branch just gets to hold it for a little while.
You are saved to be instruments of His righteousness. Instruments, OR TOOLS, require the carpenter to hoist them and use them. Jesus described the ways HE used his tools as the tools doing things. But they were things for other people.
There is a reason the KJV used CHARITY as a word for Agapao.
If you contend that your love for God is determined by how well you can keep the commandments, I'd like to introduce you to GOD. You keep the commandments because you first learn to love Him as He does.
If you love correctly, you do not have fear. Fear is caused because of the threat of punishment. I.E. because you don't keep the commandments. If you are fearing if you don't keep the commandments, the verse says you don't yet know how to love correctly. If at all.
The same verses say that if you DO LOVE then God is in you and He is in you. Likewise if you lack the love, you lack Him.
some's position contends they can do the commandments first, and that will give them the love. But 1 john 4, and the vine parable lead me to conclude if I keep the commandments it's because HE empowers me, the Tree and the Gardner. To say I keep them of my own to show I love, usurps God's role from the whole event. That tells me the person making that claim, is yet to know God, they still live out of fear of punishment. God is love, and they don't have mature love in them yet. THIS is my exegesis and application of the mentioned verses/parable. Attack the parable and the verses, not my person.
Exegesis, not bs personal attacks.
OH YEAH, and I'm still waiting for the answer to Melchizedek's Church being the model for Christ's and why people would apply JEWS who didn't exit and their laws to the format of a church that existed before they did.
That has ramifications on imposing Jewish customs, names and laws on the Xian faith.
That has ramifications on imposing Jewish customs, names and laws on the Xian faith.
I assume this is a POT_SHOT at me as we jst went over this yesterday,
So your demanding the use of jewish names/spelling etc... and Jewish laws, and being so pharisitically loud mouthed about it, is against prophecy, psalm 110, and Christ's Church. By definition that makes your actions Anti Christ. All of the Anti christs mentioned in the Bible, really thought they were doing the right thing for God. I don't know how to help you but try to show scripture, and have you discuss it until you change your mind or me mine, or both of us change some and get to agreements. I do know your constant ranting isn't getting anywhere.
[/QUOTE]Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law. [/QUOTE]
I gave you evidence here, but I will postr it again: (any words surrounded by [/QUOTE] are your words
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...on-name-christ-shall-saved-5.html#post1179679 POST 81
If I choose the use their real names hos is this demanding anything, it is what i choose.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
There was a reason satab wanted this to happen:
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the iremnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Isayah 65:15, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name; Yahweh, that will remain forever."
Yeremyah 12"14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors (not Israylites, but GENTILES) who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]You said Noah had the laws. The laws Paul discussed had nothing to do with Noah. They were the Levitical laws. The only laws Noah received were build the ark, load the critters, and open the doors to let them go. SO if you want to obey Noah's laws, do you have two of every critter?But, you don't know what Noah knew was clean or unclean. There was no laws at the time for Him to use. Whatever God directed him to eat or not eat isn't mentioned is it? [/QUOTE]
Genesis 7:2, "You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female."
How did Noah know the clean from the unclean? Did Yahweh INSTRUCT him which were edible and which werent? or did he randomly choose?
[/QUOTE]WHo said chocolate cake was better than vanilla! That's the same person that said anything about Noah being a priest. I don't' see it anywhere in the chat. I"m tired so I could be missing something. Here's a real chance to show me out and put me in my place, where did someone say something about Noah being a priest?[/QUOTE]
these are your words.
[/QUOTE]MELCHIZEDEK was the HIGH PRIEST of that time. DO you contend He really wasn't, scripture lies and Noah was? [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Show me the "law" of God on what was clean and unclean. [/QUOTE]
See Leviticus 11
[/QUOTE]Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law. [/QUOTE]
Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."
Hebrews 7:1-2, "For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of Yahweh Most High, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, And Abraham also gave him a tenth part of all."
Abramham paid tithes to Melchizedek, PART OF THE LAW and the above verse shows Abraham KEPT THE LAW OF YAHWEH.
[/QUOTE]Paul/Peter teach it's not about what you eat.
If that is the rule in Christ's Church, being OF THE ORDER OF MEL's church, then Mel's church could eat without restriction as well. [/QUOTE]
Shaul (Paul did not considre wine food because it is not, The reason Yahweh tells us dont eat swine is because HE CREATED IT to be nature's garbage disposal. Nothing is unclean of itself, but when the pig, shrimp, catfish, lobstar, etc eat rotten carcases, fecees, etc THEY BECOME UNCLEAN. The pig has a parasite caleed thrichnosis, this parasite lays eggs IN YOUR BODY and multiplies whenb you get older and your immune system weakens. So yes Yahweh does not want you to be unhealthy. An ounce of pork a day can increase the chance of pancreatic cancer by 20%.
[/QUOTE]The laws that were done away with, according to Paul were the laws dealing with circumcision required to join them on an individual basis.[/QUOTE]
THESE ARE YAHSHUA'S WORDS
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
If anyone went against what Yahshua said they are a liar. Yahshua didnt say the Law will not pass for another 15 min., He made it clear. Also it's not like He didn't know what was coming.
According to Paul we don't do away with the Law:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Kepha did not write this for NO REASON, Yahwe did not have this written for NO REASON.
2 Kepha 3:15-16, "And recognize that the longsuffering of Yahweh our Savior is salvation; just as our beloved brother Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
[/QUOTE]The point is, it's not about what you can do, but how you grow and thus live.
You are all about what you can do.
Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
You seem to have me figured out pretty well, especially since you have never met me, and only seen my words for a short amount of time. You seem to have a problem with me wanting to be and preaching obedience to Yahweh. Did Shaul, Kepha, Yahchanan, Yaaqob, etc or Yahshua preach obedience to Yahweh?
1 Yahchanan 2:3-5, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not dkeep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him." (you can say Law, Commandment, Instruction, they are all the same)
Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
[/QUOTE]Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
So according to what you think Shaul said, is Yahshua telling us to "kicked grace to the curb" in Revelation 22:14:
Or in Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
You see this is the FOUNDATION, if this is not applied, one may be choosing their OWN WAY.
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
These people claim the Messiah, but the problem is their INIQUITY, so what is iniquity?
Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.
[/QUOTE]So, my question earlier somewhere, why do you turn your back on Christ's Church for this bastardized (not a profane word, look it up), version of the Jewish faith? Who are you trying to improve, God or other men, with your act? [/QUOTE]
So I turn my back by listening to His words and tryin to follow them?
And Jewish faith? From the beginning it was for all, you fall for the lies of the Pharisees by thinking the seperation was from anything other than satan.
Exodus 12:18-19, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
No "jewish proselites" that is another lie from the theological cemetary, if you listen to Yahweh it is:"As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]God isn't gonna be fooled. So I hope you listen and consider you could be wrong and try to work through these arguments of mine, rather than ignore them as you have so far, and dance all over the place. [/QUOTE]
I dont even know what to say to this. it semes to me that you have been presented with some of Yahweh's truth, most if not all of your claims IN THIS POST were proven wrong by the mouth of Yahweh. I have hope that you will follow Yahweh and not those doctriens of men you seem to believe.
Micahyah 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
[/QUOTE]Be well, and good studies.[/QUOTE]
No hard fellings, from me either.
I hope it that Yahweh does his will in all our lives.
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cfultz3
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Hiz,
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The comment you quoted here wasn't to you...?
The verse you posted, should not be separated from 1 1:3-2:5. That's one thought through that whole spread. He wrote the letter so they could be in fellowship with God, because they were not yet. BUT They had Christ as their mediator, so they obviously were.... "SAVED" whatever that means..... They weren't yet in fellowship.
What does that take?
Walk in the light AS HE DOES. Does HE sin? nope, They still sinned though. John wrote around 2:5-8 that they were nearly there, they needed a little more darkness washed from their walk.
They wouldn't be in fellowship with God until they did not sin any longer. Indeed if they still sinned, they did not yet KNOW HIM *(much less be in fellowship) and had not met him. 3:6.
So the letter was written so they MAY NOT SIN, because he hoped for them to be in fellowship that would make His Joy complete.
I'm not sure why 1 j is in here, but I commented anyway.
So you fail to see truth as what I see it as. We are made perfect in him if we believe in Christ.
Do you believe this to be truth:
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight
If we believe this and are willing to be dead to self through this death of Christ then we are born again by God freely.
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Being saved by Christ's resurrected life we love as God loves in 1 Cor. 13:4-13 This type of Love can no flesh perform, except Christ and we now know Christ in the Spirit not the flesh, justified in
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
All by and through Faith in Christ's finished work at the cross for all who believe, receive, then see
Ok. however you read it.
Christ taught if you loved you were doing something.
The ones that went to heaven in the following parable did something. The others didn't. matt 25, last parable.
YOu sit back and do nothing, and maybe I'll remember to pray for you.
Gal 5:6.
James.
And one of the thief's on the cross next to Christ believed Christ and asked to be remembered. Christ said today you will be with me in paradise. HMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not or yes by belief if one does believe, God knows I do not need to, do you? Preach the word in season and out of
I see does the thing formed say to who formed it my has thou made me this way?
What can the clay say to the potter?
John 15 does another good analogy as you wrote here. about the grape vines
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
and the Law was put in place to show us our lawlessness and need for God through Son Christ, the Author and finisher of our Faith
Agreed
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AlayaRose
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hehehehe interesting dance with the word "truth" there.
I'll play though, I see the truth as it is written. so THERE! I'm fine with you are made perfect iN HIM if you believe in Christ, if you'll admit an altar call or STATING you believe in Him doesn't mean you do. And the phrase IN HIM/IN CHRIST//// 1 john 3:6 is the standard, as written, no dancing, no changing verb tenses.
So, you say you love because you are "saved" whatever that means.... I read it as if you are loving and your life demonstrates that in it's actions (Gal 5:6) then you would be saved. In other words, the actions prove the claim, not because of the claim, I can assume the love.
If you are made perfect, or mature as it is best represented, you are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit. Rom 8:9. And if you walk in teh Spirit, you will not give into the temptations of the flesh. AND IF YOU EVER WALKED IN THE SPIRIT, instead of being led by the Spirit, one time, how could you leave Him without giving into a temptation of the flesh?
SOME of those were milk and on the road, some were meat and arrived. Some were mature/perfect, some were not yet mature/perfect. Some were walking BY the Spirit (not beside..> BY) and some are being led by the Spirit.
You are saved by Grace, through faith, not works so no man can boast.
If you have faith, you have works.
Thus
If you don't have works, you lack faith.
If you lack faith, you lack Grace as you have no faith to get it through.
Those works, are works of love through faith. The word Agapao is not met, if there isn't accompanying actions.
Paul wrote you were made mature through works/perfect through works. NOT that the works did the making, but that through doing the works, your perfection was brought. You learn something, change somewhat from the works and their lessons.
Paul said you were spiritually as absolutely mature as JESUS on earth was. He left no room to say it would be less in any way.
John explains if you are IN HIM, you do not sin. And that if you are born of Him you don't continue the sinning lifestyle (sarx/sinful nature/flesh) and you can not sin. Period. Those are two different statements before and after the conjunction.
So I'm happy to say I'm being matured, but I'm not there yet. And no number of baptisms, altar calls, milk and cookies (Lord's supper) at church will give me the right to make that claim. In fact I can never make that claim with certainty, as Paul said, I can hope. I admit it's HIS to determine, and I may or may not allow Him to remake me. But it's definitely HIM who does the remaking. So, I do the works, because they teach me how to love correctly. I don't presume to think I will know when I do it correctly though. Hey, I'm quite sure I won't be able to make that call.
So, yes, we see perfect very differently.
It appears to me, adn this is not "to put you in your place" or anything, but the way I read between the lines, you see it's all about being saved.
I see that salvation is the first step of a journey. After that comes the maturing. EXAMPLE, You go to the chicken roost and pull an egg out. You put it in an incubator. You ain't got a chicken, yet, you have an egg in an incubator. The incubator will help mature the egg to become a chicken. After the chicken is hatched it is a chicken. When you are saved, you are the egg. You have ENTERED a new life. You aren't living the new life yet. People are so afraid of judgement, and sins, and hell because the Church teaches God as a Fascist pig, that they don't ever hear or see the rest of the message. they are so busy looking over their shoulders at the sins they committed they can't focus on where they are going.
I'm blabbering. I'm sure I've caused more than one question if you choose to follow through.
I'm game but I didn't mean to go off preaching, sorry.What makes you think paradise is heaven?
I thought we waited for the resurrection, so where did He go? Straight to the future, as resurrected and living with Christ in His new reign?
Besides, what does the thief on the Cross have to do with how to love, and what agapao means? AND since you aren't on the cross next to Jesus, what makes you think it applies to the chat?
Also, since Christ had yet to rise, and thus the Thief was under the old covenant, OR the melchizedekian covenant, what makes you think it has to do with a Christan covenant's rules?
If you don't have the works, you don't agapao. If you don't agapao you don't know God and He's not in you and you aren't in Him. Those are straight scripture paraphrases. ANd they do not say works save you. They say if you are saved you will have the works. If you don't see the works, then perhaps you did something wrong and aren't there yet. Perhaps those who find themselves there, argue about works because they try to justify being what they know they aren't?
I was trying to be sneaky so the know it alls wouldn't realize they knew this one too.
maybe it would flick a switch inside.The law was put in place to set a people of Melchizedeks authority (which was all, as there were neither jew nor gentile) apart to be holy. Without the law you don't know what standard makes something Holy. Then of the holy people the holiest of the holies became manifest and lived and walked on earth. The Church of CHrist's on earth is established in the Order of Melchizedek. In that order, there were no jews, gentiles, nor laws. TO impose the laws on a Church that is past them, is to superimpose your thoughts of CHrist's and prophecy about how the Church should be ran.
The change in the law Paul mentions there is NOT being under the law that was entered with circumcision.
The change went to the Psalm 110, priest forever of the order of Melchizedek, I've mentioned several times.
The impact to that is no jew or gentile. And not only was there no such thing as a Jew or Gentile in Mel's day, there was a comment from Paul saying IN HIM there is no Jew nor Gentile as well. Full corroboration.
So, if Mel had no laws, nor Jews.
Christ's priesthood is like Mels.
Why do people keep trying to impose jewish laws on that Church?
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
The meat eating man who wasn't sinning, had freedom to eat the meat because he had more faith.
If you live under the law, you spit on Grace and are judged under the law.
But people on here keep trying to teach, "you must keep the law". I don't get it. That's no different than all the heretics and ANti Christ's that Paul and John addressed.
Not defending porn, but...... the points need to be said...
If you look at the statistics those who rape, breathe, eat food, sleep in beds, and most often had "church" slammed on them as a child, thus they are mostly Christian. ALso they are mostly black males between the ages of 18 and 35, although there are others of other demographics as well. Do you wish to condemn all black males, or all men 18-35? That's what you are doing with Porn.
There are more people that commit NO RAPE that view porn, than there are that do rape and view porn. Compare the TRILLION dollar a year porn industry's web site hits, vs the number of rapes x 9 (assuming 1 out of 10 report the rape) You'll find the number of porn viewers that don't commit rape are so much bigger than those that do the number that does is less than 1%. So that statistic is a stretch. But it is true.
Here, profile of a rapist...
You misunderstood what was being said concerning rape. The point is about those who commit rape, NOT those who view porn and not commit rape. The entire point was those who commit rape, do indeed view porn. i never indicated that those who view porn commit rape, that is not what i said at all. Only saying that a very high percentage of those who commit sex crimes, do indeed view pornography. There is no need to defend porn, it is evil and wicked, and it is not Godly. Anyone who continues to look at porn and does not cease from it, will not be taken up with the Church when it is Raptured to be with Jesus.
God sent me to live at a Monastery, after living with the monks for two weeks, i was kicked out of that monastery. Apparently most of the monks there deemed it OK to look at playboy magazines. When i found this out, i knew then why God sent me there. i told them all, that if they continued to lust after women in the magazines, that they would not be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. Instead of repenting and getting rid of the magazines, they got rid of me. But i did what i was instructed to do, and i warned them. Even as i warn all those who read this as well, if you continue to look at pornography and lusting via that pornography, you likewise will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, because you are not willing to give up that stuff for Jesus Christ. You put that, before Him.
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i noticed that in the above list there is not a percentage of how many of them that did commit rape, view porn. Which is what i was talking about.
OR, because you misunderstood what was being said, you think i was demonizing something on a false pretense.
Yet what i said is True, and not false. MOST people who rape, views pornography.
There are many reason to condemn porn, yes? One of them is that most people who commit sex crimes do indeed look at porn. So then it would be a common denominator to what might contribute to the sexual crime. Are we agreed?
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hehehehe interesting dance with the word "truth" there.
I'm fine with you are made perfect iN HIM if you believe in Christ, if you'll admit an altar call or STATING you believe in Him doesn't mean you do. And the phrase IN HIM/IN CHRIST//// 1 john 3:6 is the standard, as written, no dancing, no changing verb tenses.
So, you say you love because you are "saved" whatever that means.... I read it as if you are loving and your life demonstrates that in it's actions (Gal 5:6) then you would be saved. In other words, the actions prove the claim, not because of the claim, I can assume the love.
If you are made perfect, or mature as it is best represented, you are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit. Rom 8:9. And if you walk in teh Spirit, you will not give into the temptations of the flesh. AND IF YOU EVER WALKED IN THE SPIRIT, instead of being led by the Spirit, one time, how could you leave Him without giving into a temptation of the flesh?
SOME of those were milk and on the road, some were meat and arrived. Some were mature/perfect, some were not yet mature/perfect. Some were walking BY the Spirit (not beside..> BY) and some are being led by the Spirit.
You are saved by Grace, through faith, not works so no man can boast.
If you have faith, you have works.
Thus
If you don't have works, you lack faith.
If you lack faith, you lack Grace as you have no faith to get it through.
Those works, are works of love through faith. The word Agapao is not met, if there isn't accompanying actions.
Paul wrote you were made mature through works/perfect through works. NOT that the works did the making, but that through doing the works, your perfection was brought. You learn something, change somewhat from the works and their lessons.
Paul said you were spiritually as absolutely mature as JESUS on earth was. He left no room to say it would be less in any way.
John explains if you are IN HIM, you do not sin. And that if you are born of Him you don't continue the sinning lifestyle (sarx/sinful nature/flesh) and you can not sin. Period. Those are two different statements before and after the conjunction.
So I'm happy to say I'm being matured, but I'm not there yet. And no number of baptisms, altar calls, milk and cookies (Lord's supper) at church will give me the right to make that claim. In fact I can never make that claim with certainty, as Paul said, I can hope. I admit it's HIS to determine, and I may or may not allow Him to remake me. But it's definitely HIM who does the remaking. So, I do the works, because they teach me how to love correctly. I don't presume to think I will know when I do it correctly though. Hey, I'm quite sure I won't be able to make that call.
So, yes, we see perfect very differently.
It appears to me, adn this is not "to put you in your place" or anything, but the way I read between the lines, you see it's all about being saved.
I see that salvation is the first step of a journey. After that comes the maturing. EXAMPLE, You go to the chicken roost and pull an egg out. You put it in an incubator. You ain't got a chicken, yet, you have an egg in an incubator. The incubator will help mature the egg to become a chicken. After the chicken is hatched it is a chicken. When you are saved, you are the egg. You have ENTERED a new life. You aren't living the new life yet. People are so afraid of judgement, and sins, and hell because the Church teaches God as a Fascist pig, that they don't ever hear or see the rest of the message. they are so busy looking over their shoulders at the sins they committed they can't focus on where they are going.
I'm blabbering. I'm sure I've caused more than one question if you choose to follow through.
Sorry you have not created doubt in as in to who I am in Christ. Good try though.
So you have doubt or spread doubt as the serpent did, this is what I am hearing from your posts.
Christ is Christ. did what he did it is finished done, believers are saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your posts though
I was trying to be sneaky so the know it alls wouldn't realize they knew this one too.
Ia;ready see this, thanks though