Do Catholics and Muslims worship the same God?
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I have many muslim friends here in australia who hang these beads on their car rear vision mirrors, and I can tell you right now that no muslim I have ever known uses prayer beads. I am a Lebanese Maronite, so I know and have known a lot of Muslims. Christians and Muslims in the Arab world use these as stress beads. If they were Muslim prayer beads, it would be severely offensive to use them as a novelty object. But you could be right in some other part of the world. I don't know everything.
Definitly there are different forms of Islam, these guys even made mellow remarks about how they personally didnt do the beads thing, usually muslims dont disagree with other muslims so they must have found some odd with it IDK. but none the less there are muslims who do and catholics who do,and i remembered it so thats why i posted it.
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Ok, given the possibility that it is true, do you understand how different the prayers are? Do you think that the difference in the prayers said in each respective religion makes a difference? or are you just ignoring that and implying that because both religions use beads for SOME of their prayers then they must be linked? What was the purpose of putting that post up? I suppose that's what I'm trying to ask hahaha I could've just said that to begin with instead writing out an essay gee whizz!!
i do not know alot about the prayers, i know about the 360 names thing, as far as i know with catholic prayers is the are certian prayers a catholic says with the beads. I could be wrong, as my studies in cathlocisim have been more focused on history.
But i did see a connection between, both have beads (which are not in the Scriptures) and both use repititious prayer with the beads (to my knowledge, if its something i dont know throughly or for sure i will admit, as lying is not somthing i want to do) i dont know if you watched that video about the connection (islam and catholic) but when you add all the evidence in that video, the mary worship (your lebanese, so you know about "our lady of lebanon" which is standing on a "tower of babel") the beads, the info Alberto Rivera released, etc and the fact that the leaders of these religions seem corrupt, or are corrupt, i feel at the least my view are well warranted. now i dont mean to offend, i know i can be a bit forward, i dont think all muslims or catholics are bad, but there is an inner and in outer doctrine in both religions. Honestly, most religions in the world have this, esoteric for the "leaders" and the exoteric for the "lay", just an observation from much prayer and study.
But i did see a connection between, both have beads (which are not in the Scriptures) and both use repititious prayer with the beads (to my knowledge, if its something i dont know throughly or for sure i will admit, as lying is not somthing i want to do) i dont know if you watched that video about the connection (islam and catholic) but when you add all the evidence in that video, the mary worship (your lebanese, so you know about "our lady of lebanon" which is standing on a "tower of babel") the beads, the info Alberto Rivera released, etc and the fact that the leaders of these religions seem corrupt, or are corrupt, i feel at the least my view are well warranted. now i dont mean to offend, i know i can be a bit forward, i dont think all muslims or catholics are bad, but there is an inner and in outer doctrine in both religions. Honestly, most religions in the world have this, esoteric for the "leaders" and the exoteric for the "lay", just an observation from much prayer and study.
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Its very easy to see a connection from a biased point of view, but that's nothing I haven't seen before, so all good. I'm not really sure how you made the connection between our lady of Lebanon and the tower of Babel, but that doesn't surprise me either to tell you the truth. I could probably do the same with things I learn about most other Christian denominations, and connect them up and make them look like they offend the Lord somehow.
Now, I would just like to say, if you will allow me. The fact that you study ONLY about the history of the Catholic Church and not the teachings almost insists that you are searching for something to pick at with Catholicism. I really would suggest, instead of searching the historical mistakes and faults of Catholicism, which you could very easily find in EVERY other denomination aswell, maybe search and study the teachings and traditions. But not only stop at this, really search for the ways and reasons that the Church came about these teachings, so when you discuss theology with a Catholic, you can answer vigorously. Everybody can very easily search for the mistakes made by a Church. But not many people search for the reasons behind the teachings of a Church. Scratch the surface of Catholicism and go a bit deeper, brother, and I PROMISE YOU, you will see things and learn things that your preachers don't want you to know. Don't judge like man judges by the surface. Dig deep into the soul of the Church and learn, and then you can truly challenge a Catholic about his/her faith.
Now, I would just like to say, if you will allow me. The fact that you study ONLY about the history of the Catholic Church and not the teachings almost insists that you are searching for something to pick at with Catholicism. I really would suggest, instead of searching the historical mistakes and faults of Catholicism, which you could very easily find in EVERY other denomination aswell, maybe search and study the teachings and traditions. But not only stop at this, really search for the ways and reasons that the Church came about these teachings, so when you discuss theology with a Catholic, you can answer vigorously. Everybody can very easily search for the mistakes made by a Church. But not many people search for the reasons behind the teachings of a Church. Scratch the surface of Catholicism and go a bit deeper, brother, and I PROMISE YOU, you will see things and learn things that your preachers don't want you to know. Don't judge like man judges by the surface. Dig deep into the soul of the Church and learn, and then you can truly challenge a Catholic about his/her faith.
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Are you Catholic? I think you also believe in evolution. The Catholic church ( speaking of Roman Catholic) teach to pray to Mary and other Saints. Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through me. If you are Catholic, have you been to confession and what did the priest tell you to do. Five hail Mary's or ten. That is not bible. that has nothing to do with God. We either serve God or satan no in between.
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You're wrong. The Athiests serve nobody. But I serve God alone. If you think that you can read my mind and you try telling me differently to what I just said, you need to have a serious think about your mental wellbeing. I still love you. God bless.
BUT DO YOU LOVE ME? Or do you not love me cz I'm Catholic?
BUT DO YOU LOVE ME? Or do you not love me cz I'm Catholic?
i can tell you are a very resonable person, i feel like "debating/reasonong" with you is more that and less arguing lol.
OK, first i want to say alot of your GENERAL ideas im ok with.
so i want to say, i was some who believed in most of the main line doctrines, then i found out there had been pagan practices pasted over WHAT I BELIEVED, at first it really shook me, but 2 weeks later a snapped out of it with a determination to find truth and have not stopped looking since. I want to say that I thank Yahweh as i know this was part of the process to accept what He had planned for me. i study the historu of every religion before i study it, and i have studied many religions, as once i found out some of what i believed was wrong i wanted to know if there was anything else from another religion that was fused into what i thought/think is truth.
so the tower of babel thing:
those of the "inner" doctrine know what it really represents, but the lay people are unaware, this is EU parliment building
the idol on the right is bablonian and the "hat" represents tower of babel, (occultists are heavy on symbolism)
OK, first i want to say alot of your GENERAL ideas im ok with.
so i want to say, i was some who believed in most of the main line doctrines, then i found out there had been pagan practices pasted over WHAT I BELIEVED, at first it really shook me, but 2 weeks later a snapped out of it with a determination to find truth and have not stopped looking since. I want to say that I thank Yahweh as i know this was part of the process to accept what He had planned for me. i study the historu of every religion before i study it, and i have studied many religions, as once i found out some of what i believed was wrong i wanted to know if there was anything else from another religion that was fused into what i thought/think is truth.
so the tower of babel thing:
those of the "inner" doctrine know what it really represents, but the lay people are unaware, this is EU parliment building
the idol on the right is bablonian and the "hat" represents tower of babel, (occultists are heavy on symbolism)
also i want to add that yes most religions have some darkness in their history, but none as the Catholic church. i believe me i did not study for a few weeks and watch some you tube videos and think i know everything.
i have studied for years, and know that if it wasnt for Yahweh guiding me i would be lost, but the more i learn the more i realize i dont know.
i have studied for years, and know that if it wasnt for Yahweh guiding me i would be lost, but the more i learn the more i realize i dont know.
that EU parliment DRAWING, "many languages one voice" thats a play on the language confusion, 33rd degree mason Alester Crowley and 33rd degree mason Manly P Hall both say that the reason those inducted into the mysteries use symbols as a language is in case the languages ever get confused again they can still commmunicate and build theri ONE WORLD SYSTEM. as if they could circumvent the Most High, but none the less this is why we see "sacred geomotry" stars, hand signs, the tower of babel all over, skull and bones number 322, has a MEANING, Gen 3:22, they think they are gods. the term mason, a builder, they especially like structures to represnt their system, i dont have enough time to type 1 tenth of that but its evident all over this planet if you know what your looking at.
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i can tell you are a very resonable person, i feel like "debating/reasonong" with you is more that and less arguing lol.
OK, first i want to say alot of your GENERAL ideas im ok with.
so i want to say, i was some who believed in most of the main line doctrines, then i found out there had been pagan practices pasted over WHAT I BELIEVED, at first it really shook me, but 2 weeks later a snapped out of it with a determination to find truth and have not stopped looking since. I want to say that I thank Yahweh as i know this was part of the process to accept what He had planned for me. i study the historu of every religion before i study it, and i have studied many religions, as once i found out some of what i believed was wrong i wanted to know if there was anything else from another religion that was fused into what i thought/think is truth.
so the tower of babel thing:
those of the "inner" doctrine know what it really represents, but the lay people are unaware, this is EU parliment building
the idol on the right is bablonian and the "hat" represents tower of babel, (occultists are heavy on symbolism)
OK, first i want to say alot of your GENERAL ideas im ok with.
so i want to say, i was some who believed in most of the main line doctrines, then i found out there had been pagan practices pasted over WHAT I BELIEVED, at first it really shook me, but 2 weeks later a snapped out of it with a determination to find truth and have not stopped looking since. I want to say that I thank Yahweh as i know this was part of the process to accept what He had planned for me. i study the historu of every religion before i study it, and i have studied many religions, as once i found out some of what i believed was wrong i wanted to know if there was anything else from another religion that was fused into what i thought/think is truth.
so the tower of babel thing:
those of the "inner" doctrine know what it really represents, but the lay people are unaware, this is EU parliment building
the idol on the right is bablonian and the "hat" represents tower of babel, (occultists are heavy on symbolism)
John 19:25- Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wifeof Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
See, brother, this is the thing. People are taught so many wrong things about the Catholic Church. But, oh well, its happened for centuries, and will happen for centuries more. God bless
my focus wasnt on the idols, it was on the babel thing that was just the only pic i had of Ishtar with the tower of babel on head to show they love to put it everwhere. and yes, you mentioned churches, many are built FULL of pagan symbolism
to me no matter who dose it it is not ok. pagan is pagan
none the less i do hope Yahweh leads as many as possible to the fulness of Messiah.
to me no matter who dose it it is not ok. pagan is pagan
none the less i do hope Yahweh leads as many as possible to the fulness of Messiah.