Why do we need food?

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So the Jesus has given us the Holy Spirit, and if we're faithful enough we do not need a doctor, dentists, house, or a job because God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff. IF we're faithful.

Its strange to me that we can go without all of these seemingly important things, but suddenly Jesus says we "need" food and clothes.
 
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Where are your sources for this belief that "God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff"?

There may be an argument here that you were trying to make -- namely, why do people prepare food instead of asking God to provide it? Why work a job if you can depend on God to provide everything you need? Obviously Jesus didn't work or gather food, and he and his disciples appear to have survived for years. But I'm not sure that this is what you meant to say...
 
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OP: Could you please provide me with scripture that suggests we don't need food and clothes?
Even Adam and Eve in their initial state ate food.... (the reason for not wearing clothes were both that there was no sin in them being naked, and probably also the temperature of their location).
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
So the Jesus has given us the Holy Spirit, and if we're faithful enough we do not need a doctor, dentists, house, or a job because God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff. IF we're faithful.

Its strange to me that we can go without all of these seemingly important things, but suddenly Jesus says we "need" food and clothes.
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We are flesh and the flesh needs fleshly things to live, but the spirit need spiritual things to live, and it doesn't need flesh.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
So the Jesus has given us the Holy Spirit, and if we're faithful enough we do not need a doctor, dentists, house, or a job because God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff. IF we're faithful.

Its strange to me that we can go without all of these seemingly important things, but suddenly Jesus says we "need" food and clothes.
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I believe that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. He is God in flesh.

Who said we don't need a doctor or dentists? What do you do if you have a cut that needs stitches, or a toothache?

Who said we don’t need a house? How do you avoid freezing to death in Montana in the winter?

Who said we don’t need a job? The Lord expects able-bodied people to work for a living.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I believe that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. He is God in flesh.

Who said we don't need a doctor or dentists? What do you do if you have a cut that needs stitches, or a toothache?

Who said we don’t need a house? How do you avoid freezing to death in Montana in the winter?

Who said we don’t need a job? The Lord expects able-bodied people to work for a living.
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well automatically, if you have faith in getting cuts or toothaches then yes you would need a doctor. but im talking about a faith that you don't see in the world in this day.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
So the Jesus has given us the Holy Spirit, and if we're faithful enough we do not need a doctor, dentists, house, or a job because God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff. IF we're faithful.

Its strange to me that we can go without all of these seemingly important things, but suddenly Jesus says we "need" food and clothes.
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What about when Adam and Eve sinned and the punishment for men was they would have to toil and sweat in the fields to produce food. Obviously God expects us to work hard, and earn our income.... He says he will provide for us, but that doesnt mean you give up. Its like faith without works. What good is that? You must have faith AND work at the things you need.
 
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OwenHeidenreich,

I have a great idea.

You can be an example to all of us.

Why don't you just walk out your front door, right now, with nothing but the clothes you're wearing -
no money, no car keys, no phone, no food... and then... don't go back home.
Don't get a job, don't ask anyone for help, and don't go back home.
After a couple of months, get online, with the new computer God will surely give you,
and post here about your experiences.

Cool idea huh?
No?
Sounds extreme?
Sounds harsh maybe?


Can God take care of us in extreme situations?
He absolutely can, and does.
God sometimes places his children, especially ministers of the gospel, in extreme situations.
However, nowhere in scripture are we told to just be intentionally lazy, stupid, or imprudent.
Nowhere in scripture are we told to be unwise, un-prudent, and un-practical.
We are, in fact, told to be just the opposite... try reading the book of Proverbs.

There are many many strange things in the bible... it's a very large book.
We can't just pull a verse or two out of context, and "assume" we understand everything God has to say.
The bible must be studied in full, in it's entirety, with principles drawn from the entirety of scripture, in a balanced way.

If you study the bible in any other way... if you just pluck a few verses randomly from their context, and don't compare those verses with everything else taught in scripture... you are almost 100% certain to arrive at error.

OwenHeidenreich,

I wasn't trying to be unkind in the scenario I presented.
I was just trying to offer a scenario that would make you think through the reality of your assumptions.
I think that God, on a regular basis, forces all of us to rethink certain things... it's a normal part of Christian life.

God Bless,
Max
 
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well automatically, if you have faith in getting cuts or toothaches then yes you would need a doctor. but im talking about a faith that you don't see in the world in this day.
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If your child has a cut and is bleeding badly, do you take him to a doctor or let him bleed to death?
 
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Please keep in mind that in the Bible, Jesus quoted scripture saying "man does not live by bread ALONE, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". He didn't say "you don't need food; just follow Me" :).
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
So the Jesus has given us the Holy Spirit, and if we're faithful enough we do not need a doctor, dentists, house, or a job because God would provide us the things we need to survive without needing all that extra stuff. IF we're faithful.

Its strange to me that we can go without all of these seemingly important things, but suddenly Jesus says we "need" food and clothes.
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I'm not sure what you are asking about the food thing. It's just in our design. As for the other stuff, I can agree to an extent. If one were to do what maxwel suggests by leaving our homes and everyone we know with nothing but the clothes on our back (definitely extreme), I believe it is definitely possible that all our needs will be taken care of one way or another. BUT, it would take someone leaving with some type of calling and they would have a mission that required this in some way. i.e. reaching homeless people and delivering the Gospel, going to extreme locations like the projects or high drug and crime areas to spread the Gospel. This work would replace societal work and would be working purely for God.

It would take an extraordinary type of person to have this type of calling and someone with the type of faith you are suggesting, a faith I wish we all had. I think God would definitely provide for our needs by means such as sending helpful people our way, fellow Christians who would provide shelter in our travels, and food, among other things. I think a person could live extremely blessed in this situation, but it would require a huge amount of faith.

We do need clothes and food though, it's in our design. Jesus says why do we worry about getting these things and gives us examples of how the rest of nature is provided for. The whole point is to trust God and always seek Him and don't worry about things that may be troubling us because it's a sign of no trust and no faith in our Provider:

[h=3]Do Not Be Anxious[/h][SUP]25 [/SUP]“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? [SUP]26 [/SUP]Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[SUP][g][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, [SUP]29 [/SUP]yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
 
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maxwel said:
OwenHeidenreich,

I have a great idea.

You can be an example to all of us.

Why don't you just walk out your front door, right now, with nothing but the clothes you're wearing -
no money, no car keys, no phone, no food... and then... don't go back home.
Don't get a job, don't ask anyone for help, and don't go back home.
After a couple of months, get online, with the new computer God will surely give you,
and post here about your experiences.

Cool idea huh?
No?
Sounds extreme?
Sounds harsh maybe?


Can God take care of us in extreme situations?
He absolutely can, and does.
God sometimes places his children, especially ministers of the gospel, in extreme situations.
However, nowhere in scripture are we told to just be intentionally lazy, stupid, or imprudent.
Nowhere in scripture are we told to be unwise, un-prudent, and un-practical.
We are, in fact, told to be just the opposite... try reading the book of Proverbs.

There are many many strange things in the bible... it's a very large book.
We can't just pull a verse or two out of context, and "assume" we understand everything God has to say.
The bible must be studied in full, in it's entirety, with principles drawn from the entirety of scripture, in a balanced way.

If you study the bible in any other way... if you just pluck a few verses randomly from their context, and don't compare those verses with everything else taught in scripture... you are almost 100% certain to arrive at error.

OwenHeidenreich,

I wasn't trying to be unkind in the scenario I presented.
I was just trying to offer a scenario that would make you think through the reality of your assumptions.
I think that God, on a regular basis, forces all of us to rethink certain things... it's a normal part of Christian life.

God Bless,
Max
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obviously I wasnt looking for an excuse to be lazy. Jesus didn't have a doctor. because he had faith in good health. Jesus didn't have a house, he did fine.
If you had faith in doctors, thats cool. but

NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE FAITH THE SIZE OF A MUSTARD SEED.
 
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If your child has a cut and is bleeding badly, do you take him to a doctor or let him bleed to death?
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If.

a radical faith in God can be enough to be delivered out of the hands of pain because

IF your faith is efficient in the sight of God

then the kid wouldnt even get a cut.

IF
 
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He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

define Nothing

Define will

Define impossible

Define nothing again


 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
If.

a radical faith in God can be enough to be delivered out of the hands of pain because

IF your faith is efficient in the sight of God

then the kid wouldnt even get a cut.

IF
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But then you didn't answer my question.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
obviously I wasnt looking for an excuse to be lazy. Jesus didn't have a doctor. because he had faith in good health. Jesus didn't have a house, he did fine.
If you had faith in doctors, thats cool. but

NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE FAITH THE SIZE OF A MUSTARD SEED.
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OwenHeidenreich,

If you really believe this, if you're not just spouting words, if it's not just all TALK...

Then you need to get up right now, and walk out your door with nothing,
never ask for help, never get a job, and never go back.
Just do it.
Get up right now, and walk out the door with nothing.

See how it works.

If you can't do that, then you need to stop spouting this nonsense.

It's very bad doctrine.

You should go do it, or stop admonishing people to believe it.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
If.

a radical faith in God can be enough to be delivered out of the hands of pain because

IF your faith is efficient in the sight of God

then the kid wouldnt even get a cut.

IF
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A parent has the responsibility of taking care of their children. You are only sixteen, but you might be a parent before you know it. Do you have any intention of taking care of your kids?
 
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but read the O. P. to mean IF we have faith, and have enough of real true faith, then God will provide the job, the house, the food, the healing. Or He'll provide so that we don't need those physical things. Or, perhaps, Owendheienreich, your saying faith is pointless because God will provide what He wants and nothing more. Don't know exactly which way your thinking.

But your right, I don't know that any of us have that much faith, even if we like to think we do. We can't tell a mountain to move, because if we tried it we'd be doing just that-trying. Seeing if it works. Testing God. None of that is faith.

If I'm way off base, I'm sorry, but that's the way I read the op.

God bless, bless, bless
 
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since my conversion in 2009 i have not worked. i left everyone and everything behind to follow the Spirit. it eventually led me back to my home state in wisconsin. i didnt worry about what i will eat or where i will live. i never had a day i didn't eat and i never had to sleep outside. i only posses a single basket of clothes. currently im a guest in a house in las vegas. on a computer that isnt mine. eating food provided by others. as it was in wisconsin.

you don't have to worry about food or shelter because it will be provided when it is needed. once i was walking in south dakota with three dogs. i was thirsty. behind a farmers field i was walking through was a race track. the dogs led me to one of the garbage cans. i was very thirsty. i rummaged around in the garbage can and found an unopened can of pepsi.

these days i have started looking for a job. i feel i am at a point where i can work to provide for myself while still following the Spirit. i dont know if it will last or when i will be led to another place. i do not worry about it. why would i ?


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