The Red Sea Crossing

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nathan3 said:
No, your not having faith in God here. This is historic fact.

Every God believing Christian should realize that God's words are Not fantasy. For a Christian to believe that, is a lack of faith, and when the evidence is there, you really don't need that much faith then, because seeing is believing, because God's words are true.

If you can't believe and still think its a fantasy, after seeing, then your in a heap of hurt. Your not seeing the awesomeness that is God. Know every word there is truth to the letter.

Christianity is not a religion, its a reality . A life, a fact.
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Abandoning a rationale mind is not faith in GOD. Disciplined Roman soldiers only traveled approx. 14 miles/day. Do you seriously think it's an expression of faith in GOD to think that a mass of millions, containing women, elderly and infirm, children and infants, livestock, and carrying all of the loot that they plundered from the Egyptians, walked 150 miles in 3 days across a desert? That's not faith; that's insanity.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Abandoning a rationale mind is not faith in GOD. Disciplined Roman soldiers only traveled approx. 14 miles/day. Do you seriously think it's an expression of faith in GOD to think that a mass of millions, containing women, elderly and infirm, children and infants, livestock, and carrying all of the loot that they plundered from the Egyptians, walked 150 miles in 3 days across a desert? That's not faith; that's insanity.
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Hay, you & oldhermit either believe God's words or you don't . Its up to you. If not, then your just playing church.
 
nathan3 said:
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This doesn't look like granite to me, as the people who discovered this claim it is. Looks like sandstone, maybe, which would be very susceptible to wind erosion.
 
nathan3 said:
Hay, you & oldhermit either believe God's words or you don't . Its up to you. If not, then your just playing church.
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I do believe the Word of God. That is why I am compelled to reject these interpretations of these sites. They are contrary to what scripture tells us about the exodus.
 
oldhermit said:
I do believe the Word of God. That is why I am compelled to reject these interpretations of these sites. They are contrary to what scripture tells us about the exodus.
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we are all entitled to our opinions.
 
All I am suggesting is that you not form an opinion until you have examined and tested the evidence. I know you want to believe that Ron's conclusions are correct just as I once did. The proof is in scripture, not in the archaeology. At least be willing to explore the biblical evidence and for the moment, entertain the possibility that Ron may not have been right.
 
This is a summary of the Exodus route according to the account given in Exodus and Numbers 33.
A. The First Stage
1. From the City of Ramoses to Succoth
2. From Succoth the Etham
3. From Etham to Pi-hahiroth
4. Crossed the Red Sea at Pi-hahiroth into Baal-zephon

B. Second Stage
1. After crossing the Red Sea they journey three days into the wilderness of Shur, 15:22.
2. After three days in the wilderness of Shur, they arrive at Marah, 15:23.
3. From there, they set out for Elim which is on the edge of the Wilderness of Sin. Having arrived at Elim, this now places the Wilderness of Sin between their camp at Elim and Mt. Sinai, 16:1. They are now one month and fifteen
days into their journey.

C. Third Stage
1. Israel now journeys in stages from Elim through the Wilderness of Sin to Rephidim, 17:1. This suggests a route that is somehow restrictive and incapable of accommodating the entire congregation.
2. They then set out from Rephidim to Sinai and camped at the foot of the mountain on the first day of the third month from the day they left Egypt, 19:1-2. They have now been exactly two months out of Egypt. It takes them two weeks to journey from Elim to Sinai. They stay camped in this location for thirteen months and one week, Numbers 10:11.

D. The Numbers 33 text seems to discount any possibility of the route being anywhere other than along the eastern coastline of the Gulf of Suez. The only plausible conclusion is that Mt. Sinai is Jebel Sin Bishar in the west central Sinai peninsula, NOT at Jabel el Laws in Saudi Arabia.

E. In Exodus 17, Israel battles the Amalekites at Rephadim. If Rephidim is in the land of Midian, then why on earth would the Amalekites go to battle against Israel. There is no motive since Midian is across the Red Sea and far out of the land of the Amalekites whose territory boarded the southern boundaries of Canaan.

 
oldhermit said:
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just a big noooo. the other map. This map is wrong. There is not even archaeological evidence along that route ..They crossed the red sea.

Edom means red, and problay where the sea got its name, but the Land of Edom is above, the right finger, gulf where the other map shows. anyway im not going to get into this. But im putting to togetehr information for another site
 
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oldhermit said:
Have you checked this map against the biblical record?
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a few verses i cant remember, because i have not thought about this in a long time.

But now i feel motivated to properly document, from the evidence found and aline it with the Bible. I will do this and address all the points of contention .. Not here but in the site in my signature
 
nathan3 said:
a few verses i cant remember, because i have not thought about this in a long time.

But now i feel motivated to properly document, from the evidence found and aline it with the Bible. I will do this and address all the points of contention .. Not here but in the site in my signature
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That is all I am asking. Never be afraid to put men's claims to the test of scripture, whether it be Ron's, mine or someone else's.
There are about a half dozen different suggested routes by various authors of the exodus. This map is the only route that corresponds to the biblical account.
 
One thing you need to take into account is the fact that we really do not know the exact location of any of the places given in Exodus so you will have to recognize other clues in the text to define the possible locations.
 
oldhermit said:
One thing you need to take into account is the fact that we really do not know the exact location of any of the places given in Exodus so you will have to recognize other clues in the text to define the possible locations.
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Im not that pessimistic........... I will find the exact locations . And it is 100% possible to know all things. You must have that mind set when learning about these things and God's word. Nothing short of that will do.

I don't care what some man, church organization ,scholar, whoever , thinks...

I will know all things. ( always keeping in mind there is always, room to learn more about something even things you think you have learned. have to always, learn, And come to the knowledge of the truth at the same time )
 
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nathan3 said:
Im not that pessimistic........... I will find the exact locations .
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That is not possible. There simply is not enough evidence to determine this definitively. However, if you will use the biblical text, you can certainly come to a pretty good idea of their general locations.
 
oldhermit said:
That is not possible. There simply is not enough evidence to determine this definitively. However, if you will use the biblical text, you can certainly come to a pretty good idea of their general locations.
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I highly doubt you know it all. and No one should take that mind set if it hinders some one from perusing truths from Gods words and his nature.

Everything is possible with God.
 
Your are right. I do not know it all and I certainly do not have all the answers. In fact, I may not even be able to answer all of your objections.

Here are some clues that will be a big help to when you begin your research. We know that Etham, Migdol, and Pi-hahiroth are in the land of Egypt. Israel crosses the sea AT Pi-hahiroth and enters into the wilderness of Shur / Elim. It is only after this that scripture says that Israel had left the land of Egypt.
 
oldhermit said:
This is a summary of the Exodus route according to the account given in Exodus and Numbers 33.
A. The First Stage
1. From the City of Ramoses to Succoth
2. From Succoth the Etham
3. From Etham to Pi-hahiroth
4. Crossed the Red Sea at Pi-hahiroth into Baal-zephon

B. Second Stage
1. After crossing the Red Sea they journey three days into the wilderness of Shur, 15:22.
2. After three days in the wilderness of Shur, they arrive at Marah, 15:23.
3. From there, they set out for Elim which is on the edge of the Wilderness of Sin. Having arrived at Elim, this now places the Wilderness of Sin between their camp at Elim and Mt. Sinai, 16:1. They are now one month and fifteen days into their journey.
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How do you come up with they are 45 days into their journey at Elim? I see the potential of Elim being 3 days from their homes in Egypt. There is no indication that they didn't leave for Elim the same day that they crossed the Red Sea.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
How do you come up with they are 45 days into their journey at Elim? I see the potential of Elim being 3 days from their homes in Egypt. There is no indication that they didn't leave for Elim the same day that they crossed the Red Sea.
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how are you getting 45 days?

Oh, never mind I see. All the passages are there defining the time line.
 
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