God's sovereignty vs human free will

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I think you need to spend less time with the cows, and more time with scripture. You are so erroneous you don't know truth from lies. You call truth lies, and lies truth, and you call good evil... Your tongue is forked. Jesus is Jehovah. Repent of your sin, repent of your unbelief.
Jimmy, calm down. you don't understand and have been badly deceived by preachers[man]. God said try the spirit....Please do it.
 
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T_Laurich

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Jimmy, calm down. you don't understand and have been badly deceived by man/preachers. God said try the spirit....Please do it.
Answer my question I answered yours twice in two different ways... Why won't you reply? I know you have read it...

Explain why God created everything, including the heavens and the earth (Genesis) Yet in John it says the word always existed. Only God always existed. So either the whole Bible is fallible right there or the word is GOD and the word is Christ! so that means Christ is the Lord in another form!!!!
 
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Answer my question I answered yours twice in two different ways... Why won't you reply? I know you have read it...

Explain why God created everything, including the heavens and the earth (Genesis) Yet in John it says the word always existed. Only God always existed. So either the whole Bible is fallible right there or the word is GOD and the word is Christ! so that means Christ is the Lord in another form!!!!
That's simple the world was always here. it has always existed, however it was WITHOUT FORM. all he created was to fill an ALREADY EXISTING EARTH THAT WAS JUST WITHOUT FORM. it was empty.
 
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Jimmy, calm down. you don't understand and have been badly deceived by preachers[man]. God said try the spirit....Please do it.
Can you provide the scripture please where God tells us to "try the spirit"
 

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That's simple the world was always here. it has always existed, however it was WITHOUT FORM. all he created was to fill an ALREADY EXISTING EARTH THAT WAS JUST WITHOUT FORM. it was empty.
John 1

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The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Where do you get he was without form???

How can God give him form if nothing is made without Him... That means He would have never existed!
 
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Yes midnightwelder, here is the verse.

1john 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
 
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Jimmy, calm down. you don't understand and have been badly deceived by preachers[man]. God said try the spirit....Please do it.
The only person here who is decieved is yourself. You have eyes, but don't see. Ears, but don't hear. You are blinded to the truth, and refuse to acknowledge.
 
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John 1

New International Version (NIV)

The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Where do you get he was without form???

How can God give him form if nothing is made without Him... That means He would have never existed!
There is a trick to it actually. If you go to the last day and count backwards each day of what he created, you will see the last day does not include the creation of heaven and earth. So it had to have already existed.
 
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jimmydiggs

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That's simple the world was always here. it has always existed, however it was WITHOUT FORM. all he created was to fill an ALREADY EXISTING EARTH THAT WAS JUST WITHOUT FORM. it was empty.
It says that Jesus created it, thus he must have existed prior to the earth existing. Also, if you read the bible, it says Jesus is an eternal person, and is God just as the Father is God.
 

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You admitted that Jesus was the Word so how do Jesus make himself if he has never been made??? When He always existed according to the Bible...
 
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There is a trick to it actually. If you go to the last day and count backwards each day of what he created, you will see the last day does not include the creation of heaven and earth. So it had to have already existed.
That's because it occured before the last day.

 
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read above.



[endquote]You admitted that Jesus was the Word so how do Jesus make himself if he has never been made??? When He always existed according to the Bible..[endquote]

Read my thread called the word was God explained. That should help you understand.
 
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jimmydiggs

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You admitted that Jesus was the Word so how do Jesus make himself if he has never been made??? When He always existed according to the Bible...
A brain on heresy...

 
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MidniteWelder

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Yes midnightwelder, here is the verse.

1john 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Thank you, what spirit did Jesus receive his words from?
 

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Genesis is about the fall of man!!! Not God's 1000 creations!!! Are you saying that I have to read everything backwards to understand it??? God went through enough trouble to give His Son so much wisdom he could make parables beable to be translated 2,000 years in the future... But not put 1 chapter backwards? To me it sounds like you are nit picking your bible...
 

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I am going to sleep I am getting to heated in this topic... Texas I will pray for you! I hope you honestly read Genesis and John...
 
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Genesis is about the fall of man!!! Not God's 1000 creations!!! Are you saying that I have to read everything backwards to understand it??? God went through enough trouble to give His Son so much wisdom he could make parables beable to be translated 2,000 years in the future... But not put 1 chapter backwards? To me it sounds like you are nit picking your bible...

When I have time I will prove it to you. for now my grandbaby is crying and I have to go deal with him. Im the babysitter lol. I will return as soon as I can.
 
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jimmydiggs

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That was not needed man... Degrading someone like that does not bring glory to Christ...
It's what the bible says. Sin and wickedness messes a person up, it makes them hate the truth and refuse to acknowledge it. Nothing works properly when we are in disobedience. Our minds are indeed affected by our sin and rebellion.

Mark 8:18
Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?

I suppose when Jesus said the Pharisees were a brood of vipers, that was dishonoring to Christ too, wasn't it? No degradation is involved, just truth.