God's sovereignty vs human free will

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jimmydiggs

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no male, female, Jew or Greek in God's view point, For God is a Spirit and can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth. So yes
So does God know you're a male? How come it doesn't say women? If the word "man" means something in particular rather than what a person might wish it to be, maybe we should approach other words that way as too. For example, universal terms that are typically not used universally. Maybe we should let scripture speak for itself.


So if it says all men, and men isn't speaking of male genetalia, then maybe we ought to consider that the word "all" is not taking on a hyper-literal definition, but rather is being used the way it is in other places of scripture, as a general term rather than of all individual people.
 

homwardbound

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So does God know you're a male? How come it doesn't say women? If the word "man" means something in particular rather than what a person might wish it to be, maybe we should approach other words that way as too. For example, universal terms that are typically not used universally. Maybe we should let scripture speak for itself.


So if it says all men, and men isn't speaking of male genetalia, then maybe we ought to consider that the word "all" is not taking on a hyper-literal definition, but rather is being used the way it is in other places of scripture, as a general term rather than of all individual people.
okay, Thanks and I just see it from the Spirit of God as he sees us, as scripture states it, as What I have been shown
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

We are to renew our minds and seek to view from God's perspective, not the worlds
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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If Gods sends his word out, shall it return to him void?
 
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MidniteWelder

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Just as his word returning to him
No man come to the father but by what?
But By Christ

His Holy spirit manifested the life of his word in the flesh of a man
The Word which was in the beginning and came to life in the flesh
Faith in Jesus is Faith in The fathers spoken word who sent it

That which was born of him and will accomplish what he desires
and achieve the purpose for which he sent it.

As his word will accomplish what he desires and the purpose he sent it out for
It is his word that has all authority
Christ is the voice of God, his spoken word that which has all authority to create the heavens and the earth and all that is in it, that which is born of him and manifested itself in the flesh.
We are saved by the word of God as every word of God is flawless
We come to the Father by hearing of him from his word
His word (Christ, Not the fleshly vessel )returned to him by being reflected by us(living in us)



 
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Just as his word returning to him
No man come to the father but by what?
But By Christ

Yes but by Christ drawing us. We, his enemies do not go to him of our own, he draws us. Without him drawing us, his enemies would never go to him because a leopard cannot change his spots. If he didn't come to us, we would remain his enemy forever.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Just as his word returning to him
No man come to the father but by what?
But By Christ

Yes but by Christ drawing us. We, his enemies do not go to him of our own, he draws us. Without him drawing us, his enemies would never go to him because a leopard cannot change his spots. If he didn't come to us, we would remain his enemy forever.
Totally :)
 

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So does God know you're a male? How come it doesn't say women? If the word "man" means something in particular rather than what a person might wish it to be, maybe we should approach other words that way as too. For example, universal terms that are typically not used universally. Maybe we should let scripture speak for itself,

So if it says all men, and men isn't speaking of male genetalia, then maybe we ought to consider that the word "all" is not taking on a hyper-literal definition, but rather is being used the way it is in other places of scripture, as a general term rather than of all individual people.
In the Greek, which you can find on-line yourself, it says "Pantas" which is simply "ALL". The word man, or aner or andropos is not used, and neither is the word anthropos, which usually means all "humans."

"κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν." John 12:32

ESV says:

"And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." John 12:32

KJV has translated it wrongly, unless you consider that until about 20 years ago, the male gender included the female in English literature, when appropriate.

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." John 12:32.

I don't know if you could go so far as to make a case that this is a "general term" rather than one used for individual people. I would think "All people(S)" might be the general term. What does everyone think about that?
 
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homwardbound

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Yes God is a consuming fire. There are also verses claiming his eyes are as a fire or like fire and others as well. Jesus Is a MAN. He is not a literal physical fire. He is a man...a man that is very powerful. And it is that fire or his powerful words that SAVES MAN. It is even in the verse that man may suffer loss yes....yes his sinful nature, that's what he loses then it continues to say, but he himself shall be saved, HOW? YET SO AS BY FIRE. His words are sharper than a two edge sword....... Jesus is a man, not a literal physical fire and he saves man. Jesus is savior of how many....The world, not a few but the world.
He died for all the world yes, but no one is saved by death. made holy through his death yes (Col. 1:22), but still in need of life and this is possible from God the Father if one goes from born with unbelief to belief and that one receives new life in the Spirit of God and is from God born again., just read Rom. 6 and 8 to see the distinction of flesh and Spirit.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Yes all will go through the fire and either suffer loss or gain. And yes then themselves go through, and either again are burned up themselves or are not. Thus purified, for that is what fire does and is why the Holy Ghost has come with fire to burn out dross in us here and now. If one will ask God to do this in them, to be dead to flesh nature and alive to God in God's Spirit.

We will thus walk as he walked. Not us getting the credit from our view, God getting all the credit.
 

homwardbound

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............???...........Jesus is God the Son, who took upon Himself the FORM OF MAN to establish God the Father's Salvation Plan on earth for all mankind...........He is far more than just a "powerful man," HE IS GOD!

Maybe this is where the confusion is............dunno, maybe.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I see the problem is in the fight of Flesh Spirit that is dead and God's Spirit that is alive

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

So by the death of Christ die to self as well and be co-crucified with Christ to see new life in the Spirit, if God willing.

[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 
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Maybe this is where the confusion is............
The confusion lays in man wanting to boast in himself instead of the Lord.
 
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homwardbound

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Jesus Christ is not God the father. There is only one God. God works through a man, Jesus Christ. Refer to my thread called the word was God. It on like page 4 now I think. The scriputers tell us Jesus is a man. Jesus Christ even said his father is greater than him. He also said he can do nothing of himself, just as we cant. Jesus stated why do you call me good, there is but one good and that's God,[ his father]. Jesus is simply doing the words of his father, he is not his father. God the father IS NOT A MAN
Yet Christ is the only:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Christ was born a life-giving Spirit are you still denying born again here and now?
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Tell me do you walk according to the flesh or what then?
 

homwardbound

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I am a man and you are a woman... If we were to be married we would be one... This is the same with God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost... They are all separate but married into one!
He who sees Christ the Son sees God the Father thank you.
 
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You need to refer to my the word was God explained thread. It should be on page 5 or 6 by now.


Also I have something posted for you in the man's word vs God's truth thread.
 
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Undeniable proof of the free will of mankind:



 

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if they were the same being how on earth is it that even the son Jesus Christ does not know the day of his return? Only God the father knows the day. If Jesus was God the father, don't you think he would know the day of his own return?
So is an egg an egg without three parts? it does take all three to be an egg does it not? there is a body, (shell) which is Christ, there is a white (Holy Ghost) and there is a yoke, (Father). All three make up one egg.

Ice, water, steam are all water are they not, just different forms doing different functions right?
Christ's function to redeem mankind back to God the Father, and this is done by Chrsit forus if we will believe this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Do you believe the death of Christ did the above for us to reconciled to God the Father?