Who/What is the antichrist?

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In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.
“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”
Robert Mickens, the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic journal The Tablet, said the pontiff’s comments were further evidence of his attempts to shake off the Catholic Church’s fusty image, reinforced by his extremely conservative predecessor Benedict XVI. “Francis is a still a conservative,” said Mr Mickens. “But what this is all about is him seeking to have a more meaningful dialogue with the world.”
In a welcoming response to the letter, Mr Scalfari said the Pope’s comments were “further evidence of his ability and desire to overcome barriers in dialogue with all”.
In July, Francis signalled a more progressive attitude on sexuality, asking: “If someone is gay and is looking for the Lord, who am I to judge him?”

 

[Drett]

Whoever the anti Christ is. The anti Christ exists only because God allows the anti Christ to exist. It is another test from God.

 

[hope_is_love]

I dont disagree that there is a world runling kingdom as the verse i quoted earlier.

The sea represents a place with mant poeple, civilazation, etc

Example:

Revelation 17:15, "And he said to me: The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and languages."

I keep an open mind when looking into prophecy, but if there wasnt a literal man leading this kingdom, how would this work?:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, "Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day will not come, unless there comes a falling away first, and that servant of sin is revealed: the son of perdition,Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called gods or that is worshiped; so that he, as the Almighty, sits in the temple of Yahweh, showing himself that he is the Mighty One"

Alot of "HE" and "HIM" here

Revelation 13:4-8, "And they worshiped the dragon which gave power to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying: Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to wmake war for forty-two moons. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given him over all tribes, and peoples and languages, and nations. And all who dwell upon the earth will worship him--whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world, in The Book of Life of the Lamb Who was slain."

Revelation 17:12, "And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which as yet have not received a kingdom; but receive authority as kings one hour with the beast."

If you look into "the club of rome" "council of 300" and "UN agenda 21" you will see they have a plan to make 10 reigions in the world, like Eurpean Union, North American Union, African Union, etc. I believe the "ten kings" will be "king" of each region, and the anti-Messiah will be over them.

If you havent heard of these, either look into them, or you wont really know what im talking about because there is too much here to get the whole point in a thread.

Hi I looked online and found nothing that says the UN will create 10 regions, could you please direct me to the link from a reputable source like the UN website? Not a website thatis someone's opinion. Thanks!

 

[hope_is_love]

Teaching a false VERSION is not teaching the truth, anyone who teaches a false version is anti truth, and if it is anti-what the Messiah taught and stood for, it is anti-Messiah.

December 25th is not the bith of Yahshua it is the birthday of the SUN, SOL INVICTUS MITHRA, the god CONSTANTINE worshipped and minted on his coins 30 years after he "converted", he didnt convert, he converted the religion to his religion and killed off those would wouldnt go along.

Ishtar SUNday, the Bablonian fertility goddess , know as the queen of heaven, Astarte, Ashtoroth, Ishtar, eostre, or Easter, is not the day of resurrection, it is a pagan practice in which they died eggs with sacrificed babes blood, EVIL!

did not the giant SUN idols give you a clue something was wrong?

there false practices go on and on.

I think most days have been used for pagan days in history and as long as your intention is right then it should be ok Just because in history some tribe or religion worshipped sun gods on a sunday, doesn't mean it's not OK for us to worship God on a sunday. Same for dec 25th, it may be a pagan day in history, but what a great turn around, we now praise Jesus' birth on that day! it may not be his real birthday but it's good to choose a day in history to appreciate his birth and furthermore it's even better to outdo the pagan tradition on that day!

 

[Sanashankar]

Anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ is an antichrist. "The" antichrist is nor scriptural...like someone sitting in the temple of Jerusalem, it is not at all scriptural. Anyone who does not confess Jesus Christ came in flesh...he is an antichrist

 

[Hizikyah]

I think most days have been used for pagan days in history and as long as your intention is right then it should be ok Just because in history some tribe or religion worshipped sun gods on a sunday, doesn't mean it's not OK for us to worship God on a sunday. Same for dec 25th, it may be a pagan day in history, but what a great turn around, we now praise Jesus' birth on that day! it may not be his real birthday but it's good to choose a day in history to appreciate his birth and furthermore it's even better to outdo the pagan tradition on that day!

I would agree if it just shared a day, but I disagree when it shares all the pagan practices of that day:

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way; religious practices, of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them. For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; (worthless!) For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness! There is none like You, O Yahweh! You are great, and Your Name is mighty in power."

Yahshua wansnt even born anywhaere around December, Constantine took his Sol Invicusts Mithra worship and plastered it over the truth, and the worst part is none seem to care.

Also Scriptually Yahshua did not resurrect on a Sunday, Fri-Sun is not 3 days and 3 nights, by HIS WORDS THE ONLY SIGN OF THE TRUE MESSIAH, for all the Scriptures proving the truth and a understanding of what a day is on Yahweh's calendar not he Babloninan caledndar we use now see this:

Resurrection - YouTube

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away,) the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times; (Yahweh's Feast Days), and Laws"

Daniel 7:25

Amplified Bible (AMP)

25 And he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law; and the saints shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time [three and one-half years].

What the Prophets said was evil most the worls calls happy happy fun time.

This is what Yahshua said concerning the word of the Prophets"

Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi I looked online and found nothing that says the UN will create 10 regions, could you please direct me to the link from a reputable source like the UN website? Not a website thatis someone's opinion. Thanks!

You have to look in the Club of Rome and Council of 300 documents,

Also UN Agenda 21, and the major reigions being implemented, European Union, Nother American Union, African Union, etc.

 

[Hizikyah]

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In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.
“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”
Robert Mickens, the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic journal The Tablet, said the pontiff’s comments were further evidence of his attempts to shake off the Catholic Church’s fusty image, reinforced by his extremely conservative predecessor Benedict XVI. “Francis is a still a conservative,” said Mr Mickens. “But what this is all about is him seeking to have a more meaningful dialogue with the world.”
In a welcoming response to the letter, Mr Scalfari said the Pope’s comments were “further evidence of his ability and desire to overcome barriers in dialogue with all”.
In July, Francis signalled a more progressive attitude on sexuality, asking: “If someone is gay and is looking for the Lord, who am I to judge him?”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRSkECZqQ8s

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi I looked online and found nothing that says the UN will create 10 regions, could you please direct me to the link from a reputable source like the UN website? Not a website thatis someone's opinion. Thanks!

These 2 video is ans "introduction" th the "things of" the CFR, UN agenda 21, Club of Rome, Council of 300, Bilderberger, ETC ETC ETC

EndGame HQ full length version - YouTube

Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length - YouTube

For the meat your going to have to read books like "Carrol Quigeleys (Carroll Quigley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) book tradegy and hope" also zbigniew brzezinski book (Zbigniew Brzezinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) "grand chessboard" and David Rockefellers "Memoris"

The Story of The Committee of 300 : John Coleman : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

21 Goals of the Illuminati and The Committee of 300

 

[oldhermit]

Ok so I kinda feel dumb for askingbut then again there arn't any dumb questions when it comes to Christ, right?

Anyhow, I admittedly don't know much about the subject of the antichirst, I suppose I have always been a bit...leary, of this subject. But, I want to grow and with the times how they have been I'd like to know more.

What do people know of this subject? Bible references for me to look up? I'd appreciate it! Just needing a place to start like if the antichrist will be 'the beast' or a man, some things I've read suggest it will be a man, but I always get confused and frazzled when looking up answers biblically.


Thanks guys!!

The term antichrist comes from two Greek words - ἀντί the preposition meaning against, and χριστος meaning Christ. Thus, one who stands against Christ.

There have been many theories created around the idea of "antichrist" that are constantly being argued between pre, mid, and post tribulationalists. Every so often some will speculate that he might be some contemporary figure. This has been going on for centuries. Of course he never is. The idea of an antichrist has been forced into many passages of scripture trying to create a prophetic image which those scriptures do not teach. The only three places in scripture where the term antichrist is ever used is in 1John 2:18-22; 4:1-3, and 2John 7. He is never mentioned anywhere else in scripture. If you like, I would be happy to discuss with you what these passages have to say about antichrist.

 

[doulos]

Whoever the anti Christ is. The anti Christ exists only because God allows the anti Christ to exist. It is another test from God.

So people like you who follow the lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islam’s own writings) false prophet mohammad that deny that Christ is the only begotten Son of God, was crucified, died and resurrected on the third day are a test from God? Where does Scripture state “it is another test from God”? Ironic isn’t it, here’s a man who believes God has no Son which according to Scripture makes him an antichrist and he is trying to tell us about antichrists. Sad, very sad indeed! Looks like the fox is trying to guaed the henhouse!

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can clearly see from the above verses there are many antichrists and they have been with us since John first wrote about them. None of those verses support the view that there is a singular antichrist that rules the world in the end times. None of those verses suggest antichrists are a test! Maybe if people would quit building their doctrines in the absence of sound hermeneutic principles people would realize that we are literally surrounded by antichrists (atheists,muslims etc… and the list goes on and on) like you and start focusing on witnessing to them instead of running around looking over their shoulders for some Scripturally bankrupt ficticous boogeyman that supposedly rules the world for the last 7 or so years.

Isn’t it time you set aside the antichrist teachings of the illiterate, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] century, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islam’s own writings) false prophet you follow and join the ranks of those who have accepted Christ?

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Did your illiterate, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] century, lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islams own writings) false prophet mohammad abide in and teach the doctrine of Christ or did he teach the OPPOSITE? <click

 

[Ugly]

Anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ is an antichrist. "The" antichrist is nor scriptural...like someone sitting in the temple of Jerusalem, it is not at all scriptural. Anyone who does not confess Jesus Christ came in flesh...he is an antichrist

Funny, you're talking about things not being scriptural, but yet provide no scripture yourself to back up your claims.

 

[doulos]

Someone can only show what the bible says, not what it does not say. So let’s have a look at what the bible says about antichrist or antichrists.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the above verses those who deny Christ/God are antichrists. Also there are many antichrists and they have been with us since John first wrote about them. None of those verses suggest antichrist is a world leader or that antichrist sits in a temple in Jerusalem.

Heb 8:1-2 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

If you want to find the man of sin, the son of perdition you might try looking in the temple of God not some man made building the Jews may or may not build in Jerusalem. But even if they do build something it won’t be the temple of God (see Acts7:48 and 17:24 quoted above for your convenience).

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If God/Word is unchanging, then if a beast is a kingdom in the prophetic language of Daniel, it will still be a kingdom in Revelation. Can you show me where God/Word changed the definition of a beast from a kingdom to antichrist?

Can you show me a verse that says antichrist is a world leader? Can you show a verse that says antichrist will sit in a temple in Jerusalem? The belief that antichrist, the man of sin and the beast are the same entity and that entity supposedly rules the world during the last 7 years or so cannot be supported by Scripture!

An excellent article explaining the man of sin can be found HERE < click
An excellent article discusssing the man of sin can be found HERE <click

May God bless your studies!

 

[doulos]

OOPS The second link I posted in the above post ia a link to an article on antichrist not man of sin, The first link is the article on the man of sin. Here are the corrected links.
antichrist <click
man of sin <click

Sorry for the confusion!

May God bless your studies!

 

[oldhermit]

OOPS The second link I posted in the above post ia a link to an article on antichrist not man of sin, The first link is the article on the man of sin. Here are the corrected links.
antichrist <click
man of sin <click

Sorry for the confusion!

May God bless your studies!

Do you suppose them to be one in the same?

 

[Blackson]

In my view I say that Anti-Christ will be a human being, a Jew from the tribe of Dan as prophesied by Jacob their father in Genesis 49. In verse 17 he said that Dan will be a serpent.... Again, in Revelation 7 where we see 144,000 Jews being sealed, the tribe of Dan is missing. Why? Out of this tribe will come a counter-Christ, who will also claim to be the true Jew, the son of Jacob. As such people will believe he could be the Messiah. So help us Jesus!

 

[oldhermit]

In my view I say that Anti-Christ will be a human being, a Jew from the tribe of Dan as prophesied by Jacob their father in Genesis 49. In verse 17 he said that Dan will be a serpent.... Again, in Revelation 7 where we see 144,000 Jews being sealed, the tribe of Dan is missing. Why? Out of this tribe will come a counter-Christ, who will also claim to be the true Jew, the son of Jacob. As such people will believe he could be the Messiah. So help us Jesus!

But, is that what scripture says about him?

 

[doulos]

Do you suppose them to be one in the same?

Had you read the post directly above the one you quoted you would have seen that I said;

The belief that antichrist, the man of sin and the beast are the same entity and that entity supposedly rules the world during the last 7 years or so cannot be supported by Scripture!

 

[oldhermit]

Had you read the post directly above the one you quoted you would have seen that I said;

You are right. I had read that. I even rep'ed you for.

 

[jetson]

Rev. Chapters 16 and 17 gives who and where he will be from and where. The whore or harlet is, adulterous woman ( catholic church) . Church is always a woman in the Bible, when talking spiritual, such as the Bride of Christ. The pope will be the man that will received, super natural power from Satan. The new one could be the one, maybe. You will have to know ancient history to find out, what eight nations ruled the same countries at different times. Believe me the eight one is here today, but has not come into full power yet, but has over 300,000,000 members. I will give you the nations being referring to in, chp. 17. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, ( Persia-Medes), combined together, Greece are the five that have falling (Passed) =5. The Roman Empire, is the one that is, in Johns Day. The only next empire, to capture the same nations was Napoleon's Empire=Number 7. Napoleon, was the one that wounded the antichrist head until death 1798. When Napoleon sent word for pope Pius VI to come to France and crown him Emperor, the pope refused. Napoleon, then sent General Dolphar, him to fetch to France. The pope Swiss guards, that guard the Vatican killed him. Napoleon, then sent General Berthier to Rome and arrested him. The old pope was old and sickly and died in 1799. Napoleon then crown himself. From 1798 until 1929 the Holy Roman pope was wounded unto death, (power gone). In 1929 Mussolinii the ruler of Italy in 1929, pumped millions in the Vatican and the pope and allowed it, to become a full fledge nation in itself. In the middle of the tribulation, after the true Church has been rapture and the members and the ten nations, are again under the old Roman empire will turn, on the Vatican and burn it. The pope in office at this time, will be helped by Satan, moved into the new Temple in Jerusalem with super natural powers and declare himself god. He will deceive, nearly all the world. The 666 mark of some kind, will be administered and if you don't accept it, you will be beheaded. Beheaded, what religion, is known for removing heads, (Islam). The second beast with two horns (power) on his head is the muslem religion. They will throw in and back the antichrist, ( pope). The two horns represent two different powers. What religion uses political and spiritual force, to carry out there agenda's. This is Islam.