Who/What is the antichrist?

[nathan3]

this is gret work in digging, i have not looked int the meaning of all these words but i will give you the benefit, and trust it:

Son of Perdition Perdition = apōleia ( base of Satan's name Apollyon )

You said "predition" os a name ot title for satan

so this is then saying "son of satan"

Gabriel means ? Man of God


SON OF Perdition = apōleia ( base of Satan's name Apollyon )

NO, it is saying the Son of Perdition IS Satan's Name, its one of many. .. -_-


And please, don't take my word for it !. Study it yourself and look up the words and read the Subject its used in ..... I really cant continue any father in the forums .


I really can't stand the truth, being twisted that im trying to share.

Saying that about the son of perdition is the straw for these forums . Im not going to this depth here. maybe in chat rooms

 

[Hizikyah]

NO, it is saying the Son of Perdition IS Satan's Name, its one of many. .. -_-


And please, don't take my word for it !. Study it yourself and look up the words and read the Subject its used in ..... I really cant continue any father in the forums .


I really can't stand the truth, being twisted that im trying to share.

Saying that about the son of perdition is the straw for these forums . Im not going to this depth here. maybe in chat rooms

PERDITION:

[h=4]—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/h]
1) destroying, utter destruction 1a) of vessels 2) a perishing, ruin, destruction 2a) of money 2b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell


[h=4]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/h] From a presumed derivative of G0622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):—damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

[h=4]Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)[/h]

• #684.
• α᾿πω´λεια
• apōleia; from 622; destruction, loss:—
• NASB - destruction(13), destructive(1), perdition(1), perish(1), waste(1), wasted(1).

all this means is "son of destruction"

any connection to the greek word for destroyer is a connection by word association, satan destroyes and the servants of satan do satan's will there fore they destroy too. you are making connections that arent here, and it still doesnt account for all the Scriptures I showed, you took one thing and IMO stretched it. Just my view.

 

[nathan3]

all this means is "son of destruction"

I gave you the Greek for Apollyon , It says it plainly hes the angel of the bottomless pit ? Is the pope the angel of the bottomless pit ???



Apollyon is Satan's name, and Perdition is the base of his name. I gave you all the definitions there i did all the work for you, -_-

I even gave you the scripture, to show the connection, it says it Plainly there there. So you dont even need the name meanings.


Revelation 9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and " I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: "and to him was given the key of the "bottomless pit."


11 And they had a"" king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit,"" whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the ""Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.""



Allll I can say father is read what i posted already, and re-read it many times over. and the notes.

 

[Hizikyah]

I gave you the Greek for Apollyon , It says it plainly hes the angel of the bottomless pit ? Is the pope the angel of the bottomless pit ???



Apollyon is Satan's name, and Perdition is the base of his name. I gave you all the definitions there i did all the work for you, -_-

I even gave you the scripture, to show the connection, it says it Plainly there there. So you dont even need the name meanings.


Revelation 9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.


11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

you seem to be disconnecting SON OF, from the word destroyer/apolloyon/satan.

unless he is like tammuz and he is the son of himself then it is not actually satan.

SON OF

 

[nathan3]

you seem to be disconnecting SON OF, from the word destroyer/apolloyon/satan.

unless he is like tammuz and he is the son of himself then it is not actually satan.

SON OF

I gave you the connection in Ezekiel 28. The son, is a, son of God. Did you look up any of the notes for the scriptures quoted there ???????


Just like in Genesis 6. The angels are the sons of God., in Jude. The son of perdition, or that has been sentenced to death, is Satan. he is the destroyer its one of his names. I repeat, I have you the meanings. Re-read Ezekiel 28..

It seems you may be tired, or just not paying attention to any details in my post.

 

[john832]

NO, it is saying the Son of Perdition IS Satan's Name, its one of many. .. -_-


And please, don't take my word for it !. Study it yourself and look up the words and read the Subject its used in ..... I really cant continue any father in the forums .


I really can't stand the truth, being twisted that im trying to share.

Saying that about the son of perdition is the straw for these forums . Im not going to this depth here. maybe in chat rooms

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Satan is NOT destroyed at Christ's coming, he is incarcerated for the Millenium...

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan's fate is not to be destroyed, it is to be tormented forever...

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the False Prophet is destroyed at the return of Christ.

 

[doulos]

Hizikyah I see that you chose to side step my questions and instead of showing me which of the following 4 verses the Catholics are guilty of transgressing. Once again instead of addressing the issues raised you replied with a Scripturally bankrupt doctrinally based argument.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Can you show us which of those verses are guilty of transgressing? Don’t the Catholics teach Christ is the only begotten Son of God? Don’t the Catholics teach Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day?

So lets look at the flaws in your Scripturally bankrupt doctrinally based argument.

I dont disagree that there is a world runling kingdom as the verse i quoted earlier.

The sea represents a place with mant poeple, civilazation, etc

Example:

Revelation 17:15, "And he said to me: The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and languages."

Kingdoms do rise out of the sea of people, but men are born they don’t just rise out of a sea of people.

I keep an open mind when looking into prophecy, but if there wasnt a literal man leading this kingdom, how would this work?:

If you keep an open mind then why are you blinded by doctrine? Remember our battle is
a spiritual battle, we battle “against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high place.”. The spiritual kingdom of islam started by the lying, child doing, murdering, thieving false prophet mohammad (per islam’s own writings) started a false reliogion that now occupies the same geographic locations of Daniels leopard bear and lion beasts. Daniels lion was Babylon now occupied by Iraq, the bear was Medo-Persia now occupied by Iran and the leopard was Greece. So this spiritual kingdom did rise out of a sea of people. While it is true mohammad is long dead islam is still united by the spirit of antichrist because all of islam is required to believe that God has no Son. As we can all see by events going on in todays world islam is quite effective at waging jihad on the whole world.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, "Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day will not come, unless there comes a falling away first, and that servant of sin is revealed: the son of perdition,Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called gods or that is worshiped; so that he, as the Almighty, sits in the temple of Yahweh, showing himself that he is the Mighty One"

Once again may I suggest if you want to unerstand the man of sin you must first understand what/where the temple of God is (1cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16 and Eph2:19-21). You won’t find the man of sin in some building the Jews may or may not build that they falsely label the temple of God. God does not dwell in man made buildings (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). A scripturally sound study on the man of sin can be found HERE <link

Alot of "HE" and "HIM" here

Revelation 13:4-8, "And they worshiped the dragon which gave power to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying: Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to wmake war for forty-two moons. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given him over all tribes, and peoples and languages, and nations. And all who dwell upon the earth will worship him--whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world, in The Book of Life of the Lamb Who was slain."

Revelation 17:12, "And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which as yet have not received a kingdom; but receive authority as kings one hour with the beast."

We can not assume or believe that just because the beast is referred to as a he o him that it must be a person.
Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot
In the above verse Israel is referred to as a she. By your line of reasoning that would make israel a person. Would that be correct? No it would not.
Jer 3:7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
In the above verse Judah is referred to as her does that make Judah a person? No it does not. Just because a third person pronoun is used while describing a kingdom does not prove that kingdom is a person.
Let’s leave the guess work theology behind. I have shown you a verse where the unchanging God/Word positively tells us beasts are kingdoms.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Once again I must ask can you show us where God/Word changes the definition of a beast from a kingdom to “the antichrist”? If not then wouldn’t we better served to base our belief on what Scripture actually says instead of your guesswork theology that leans on private interpretation?

If you look into "the club of rome" "council of 300" and "UN agenda 21" you will see they have a plan to make 10 reigions in the world, like Eurpean Union, North American Union, African Union, etc. I believe the "ten kings" will be "king" of each region, and the anti-Messiah will be over them.
If you havent heard of these, either look into them, or you wont really know what im talking about because there is too much here to get the whole point in a thread.

I am well aware of the club of Rome etc… Have you considered there might be better alternatives? Like maybe the ten islamic controlled countries that surround Israel, that are bent on her destruction. Aren’t all of these countries united by islam andthe spirit of antichrist that drives islam? Aren’t these kingdoms united in their belief that all Jews and Christians must convert to islam or die (preferably by beheading)?

This discussion would be much more productive if you would addrss the issues I raise instead of just spewing Scripturally bankrupt doctrine. If you truly have an open mind then why not adress those issues instead of continuing to spew Scripturally bankrupt doctrine? If you truly have an open mind then why not honestly evaluate the informtion at the links I have provided in my earlier posts? Is it because you prefer to stand by your doctrine rather then search for truth?

 

[Hizikyah]

Your in error there, because Christ told all Christians to do that. It is Not a catholic thing, Grief .. It is symbolic of Christ sacrifice Obviously , But the wine and unleavened Bread we do in obedience to Christ commands All Christians. The Catholics don't own that...

The purpose of the scriptures you missed was that The daily Sacrifice IS Christ

, meaning that verse is talking about Christ. and when Satan gets here, people think, Its Christ, and they worship Satan, instead, of Christ, that is what is meant by the communion stops, or the sacrifice to Christ stops, because they are worshiping Satan, that is what is meant in That Daniel verse.


Luke 22:19-20

King James Version (KJV)

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

this do in remembrance of me

dosent mean its a Sacrifice again, its in remembrance

Hebrews 10:12, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of Yahweh,"

I DO NOT SACRIFICE HIM DAILY

Hebrews 9:26, "For then He would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world; but now once, for all in the end of the age, He has appeared to do away with sin, by the sacrifice of Himself."

 

[nathan3]

this do in remembrance of me

dosent mean its a Sacrifice again, its in remembrance

Hebrews 10:12, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of Yahweh,"

I DO NOT SACRIFICE HIM DAILY

Hebrews 9:26, "For then He would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world; but now once, for all in the end of the age, He has appeared to do away with sin, by the sacrifice of Himself."

Well, there is a communication brake down , because your not grasping what im trying to say. And i dont mean a difference in view, your actually are confusing what im meaning. the meaning of my words. The ( language )


I can't talk anymore about this in the forum. If you would like to attempt to talk some about this, I can try with VOICE CHAT.in the rooms

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikyah I see that you chose to side step my questions and instead of showing me which of the following 4 verses the Catholics are guilty of transgressing. Once again instead of addressing the issues raised you replied with a Scripturally bankrupt doctrinally based argument.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Can you show us which of those verses are guilty of transgressing? Don’t the Catholics teach Christ is the only begotten Son of God? Don’t the Catholics teach Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day?

Yes i did answer this, in prior post, to sum it up they tach a false version built around Bablonian SUN worship, not the real Messiah.

So lets look at the flaws in your Scripturally bankrupt doctrinally based argument.

Kingdoms do rise out of the sea of people, but men are born they don’t just rise out of a sea of people.

If you keep an open mind then why are you blinded by doctrine? Remember our battle is
a spiritual battle, we battle “against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high place.”. The spiritual kingdom of islam started by the lying, child doing, murdering, thieving false prophet mohammad (per islam’s own writings) started a false reliogion that now occupies the same geographic locations of Daniels leopard bear and lion beasts. Daniels lion was Babylon now occupied by Iraq, the bear was Medo-Persia now occupied by Iran and the leopard was Greece. So this spiritual kingdom did rise out of a sea of people. While it is true mohammad is long dead islam is still united by the spirit of antichrist because all of islam is required to believe that God has no Son. As we can all see by events going on in todays world islam is quite effective at waging jihad on the whole world.

Once again may I suggest if you want to unerstand the man of sin you must first understand what/where the temple of God is (1cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16 and Eph2:19-21). You won’t find the man of sin in some building the Jews may or may not build that they falsely label the temple of God. God does not dwell in man made buildings (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). A scripturally sound study on the man of sin can be found HERE <link

We can not assume or believe that just because the beast is referred to as a he o him that it must be a person.
Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot
In the above verse Israel is referred to as a she. By your line of reasoning that would make israel a person. Would that be correct? No it would not.
Jer 3:7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
In the above verse Judah is referred to as her does that make Judah a person? No it does not. Just because a third person pronoun is used while describing a kingdom does not prove that kingdom is a person.
Let’s leave the guess work theology behind. I have shown you a verse where the unchanging God/Word positively tells us beasts are kingdoms.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Once again I must ask can you show us where God/Word changes the definition of a beast from a kingdom to “the antichrist”? If not then wouldn’t we better served to base our belief on what Scripture actually says instead of your guesswork theology that leans on private interpretation?

Again I 100% about the fett of clay and iron, but it clearly does say 10 kings will rule with the beast, now it is possible that its 10 kings running this beast, but you cant tell me the verses about the son of perdition sitting in the temple claiming to be most high, can be guaranteed as either one of our views have it, however since all the other verses I "explained" (you may agree or not) but I showed how they can be fulfiled by this universal system that currently rules the kings of the earth (just ask late pres Kennedy who he should or shouldnt take orders from *his speech*)

I am well aware of the club of Rome etc… Have you considered there might be better alternatives? Like maybe the ten islamic controlled countries that surround Israel, that are bent on her destruction. Aren’t all of these countries united by islam andthe spirit of antichrist that drives islam? Aren’t these kingdoms united in their belief that all Jews and Christians must convert to islam or die (preferably by beheading)?

This discussion would be much more productive if you would addrss the issues I raise instead of just spewing Scripturally bankrupt doctrine. If you truly have an open mind then why not adress those issues instead of continuing to spew Scripturally bankrupt doctrine? If you truly have an open mind then why not honestly evaluate the informtion at the links I have provided in my earlier posts? Is it because you prefer to stand by your doctrine rather then search for truth?

If you are well aware of the Club of Rome etc, which I believe you, you would also know about Zbignew Brezinski(sp), and IDK if you know this but the Catholic Church was behind the creation of Islam as a kind of "mercenary" army to take over Yerusalem, but they got out of hand.

216 - The Islamic Connection - Amazing Discoveries TV

Also some of the things Alberto Rivera said and the obvious connection shows in the esoteric symbolism in both religions, of which the older one could not have been created by the younger one. Islam is a daughter of the whore, one of the 4 ruling powers in the end times, with a population at the exact number of the green horse, called pale, but in reality is chloros or greenish yellow.

 

[doulos]

they do teach a 3 day resurrection, however it is a fale one, they say Fri-Sun (dagon fish fridays - Sol invictus SUN day)

The truth is Wed - Sat, I have a scriptual study proving this, if you disagree please chek it out and we can go from there (on that topic)

So tell me which one of the 4 verses that tell us about antichrist say that if you have an improper understanding of the day of the week the crucifixion and resurrection took place makes someone an antichrist? Is it 1 John2:18, 1 John2:22, 1 John4:3 or 2John1:7? Oh thats right it is none of those intead it is guess work theology!

Again christ as the only SUN of god yes, see above photo^

Catholics teach that Christ is the only begotten Son (not sun) of God.

To say im not using Scripture but doctrines of men is not true, I showed 7 hills scripture, perple and scarlet scrip., changing times and Laws scrip., 666 scrip., claiming to be a father scrip., exalt himself to be as host scrip., etc. and there is more i didnt put on here, in reality, i used more scripture than you did, and they do deny yahshua by their works and teaching, the mediator scrip, again exalting man to His status, casting the tuth to the ground. etc etc etc etc

Communion is only "the daily sacrifice" to Catholics, Yahshua Sacrifieced Himself ONE time, anything else is blasphemy, Hebrews is clear that it was a onw time thing. "communion" NOT dont the way the RCC says, but the way Yahshua says is done in remembreance of Him, that is Scrpitual. The RCC teaches every time they do "communion" christ comes down and re sacrices Himself, this is discusting. THERE WAS ONE SACRIFICE THAT DID THE WORK OF RECINCILITION, TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE IS ANTI-MESSIAH, and that is further proof against the RCC, and or their system.

Just because you twist Scripture to fit your doctrine does not prove that Catholicism is the antichrist. Please tell me exactly which of the 4 verses that tell us what antichrists are the Catholics are guilty of transgressing?


Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Nope nothing there describes Catholics!
Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
No it doesn't, Catholocism teaches that Christ is the only begotten Son of God.
Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
No it doesn't Catholocism teaches that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day and that Christ is come in the flesh!

Does this verse describe Catholocism?
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
No it doesn't Catholocism teaches that Christ is come in the flesh.
Do you have any real Scriptural justification to say Catholocism is antichrist? Or must you continue to rely on guess work theology?

 

[Hizikyah]

So tell me which one of the 4 verses that tell us about antichrist say that if you have an improper understanding of the day of the week the crucifixion and resurrection took place makes someone an antichrist? Is it 1 John2:18, 1 John2:22, 1 John4:3 or 2John1:7? Oh thats right it is none of those intead it is guess work theology!



Catholics teach that Christ is the only begotten Son (not sun) of God.



Just because you twist Scripture to fit your doctrine does not prove that Catholicism is the antichrist. Please tell me exactly which of the 4 verses that tell us what antichrists are the Catholics are guilty of transgressing?


Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Nope nothing there describes Catholics!
Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
No it doesn't, Catholocism teaches that Christ is the only begotten Son of God.
Does this verse describe Catholocism?
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
No it doesn't Catholocism teaches that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day and that Christ is come in the flesh!

Does this verse describe Catholocism?
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
No it doesn't Catholocism teaches that Christ is come in the flesh.
Do you have any real Scriptural justification to say Catholocism is antichrist? Or must you continue to rely on guess work theology?

Teaching a false VERSION is not teaching the truth, anyone who teaches a false version is anti truth, and if it is anti-what the Messiah taught and stood for, it is anti-Messiah.

December 25th is not the bith of Yahshua it is the birthday of the SUN, SOL INVICTUS MITHRA, the god CONSTANTINE worshipped and minted on his coins 30 years after he "converted", he didnt convert, he converted the religion to his religion and killed off those would wouldnt go along.

Ishtar SUNday, the Bablonian fertility goddess , know as the queen of heaven, Astarte, Ashtoroth, Ishtar, eostre, or Easter, is not the day of resurrection, it is a pagan practice in which they died eggs with sacrificed babes blood, EVIL!

did not the giant SUN idols give you a clue something was wrong?

there false practices go on and on.

 

[doulos]

Yes i did answer this, in prior post, to sum it up they tach a false version built around Bablonian SUN worship, not the real Messiah.

Hogwash Catholicism teaches that Christ is the only begotten Son (not sun) of God. Your lack of understanding regarding both Scripture and Catholocism is apalling!

Again I 100% about the fett of clay and iron, but it clearly does say 10 kings will rule with the beast, now it is possible that its 10 kings running this beast,

Quit twisting Scripture! Scripture does not say the 10 kings will rule with the beast.


Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Giving their power and strength to the beast is supporting the beast. Giving something support is not the same as ruling with!

but you cant tell me the verses about the son of perdition sitting in the temple claiming to be most high, can be guaranteed as either one of our views have it,

Once again may I suggest if you want to understand the man of sin you look in the true temple of God not some man building God does not dwell in.

however since all the other verses I "explained" (you may agree or not) but I showed how they can be fulfiled by this universal system that currently rules the kings of the earth (just ask late pres Kennedy who he should or shouldnt take orders from *his speech*)

No you have only built assumption upon assumption in order to support the false doctrine you espouse. Sadly too many of your assumptions can be proven to be Scripturally bankrupt demonstrating the doctrine you espouse is incorrect and Scripturally bankrupt.

If you are well aware of the Club of Rome etc, which I believe you, you would also know about Zbignew Brezinski(sp), and IDK if you know this but the Catholic Church was behind the creation of Islam as a kind of "mercenary" army to take over Yerusalem, but they got out of hand.

216 - The Islamic Connection - Amazing Discoveries TV

Also some of the things Alberto Rivera said and the obvious connection shows in the esoteric symbolism in both religions, of which the older one could not have been created by the younger one. Islam is a daughter of the whore, one of the 4 ruling powers in the end times, with a population at the exact number of the green horse, called pale, but in reality is chloros or greenish yellow.

Hogwash your prejudice against Catholocism is clouding your judgement. The belief that islam is derived from Catholocism is false. islam is the creation of a lying, murdering, child doing(per islams own writings) false prophet that has been leading literally billions of people to perdition with it's antichrist belief that God has no Son!

 

[doulos]

Teaching a false VERSION is not teaching the truth, anyone who teaches a false version is anti truth, and if it is anti-what the Messiah taught and stood for, it is anti-Messiah.

December 25th is not the bith of Yahshua it is the birthday of the SUN, SOL INVICTUS MITHRA, the god CONSTANTINE worshipped and minted on his coins 30 years after he "converted", he didnt convert, he converted the religion to his religion and killed off those would wouldnt go along.

Ishtar SUNday, the Bablonian fertility goddess , know as the queen of heaven, Astarte, Ashtoroth, Ishtar, eostre, or Easter, is not the day of resurrection, it is a pagan practice in which they died eggs with sacrificed babes blood, EVIL!

did not the giant SUN idols give you a clue something was wrong?

there false practices go on and on.

Quit obfuscating, you are still continuing to use man's reasoning instead of basing your belief on what Scipture says! Sad very sad. Obviously you cannot show us which of those verses Catholocism transgresses. God does not care how well you defend your doctrine. He does care about truth, so isn't it time you set these fallcies aside and start searching for the truth?

 

[jb]

Nice Scriptual refutation.

It just ain't worth any Scriptural refutation... PERIOD!

Do yourself a BIG favour and get rid of your sectarian bigoted attitude and you might begin to see some light on last day prophecy...

Yahweh Shalom

 

[john832]

Well, there goes this thread...

***flush***

 

[AprilAngel]

Well, there goes this thread...

***flush***

seriously I was looking for scriptural input, not argument on said scripture... *sigh*

 

[AprilAngel]

thanks to the first few posters who helped clear up the general idea of it all for me will study more on my own now, this thread now belongs to the argumentees who jacked it.

 

[AprilAngel]

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Pope. The Pope will be the False Prophet and the Man of sin. He will set up (and be) the AoD.

actually, there are many...I'll use the term.."conspiracy theories"...about who will be this false prophet. I'm really not sure, no one really can be sure, but I do want to learn more about it. Though, this is just me, I don't want to fall into any of those groups of "theorists" I just want to learn more of the subject

 

[Reformedjason]

Obama ? Lol.