Up to twelve people shot at a Chicago basketball court

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Chicago is a gun free zone and by far Democrat. So what don't we get? That Democrats are immoral people who murder each other even in gun free zones.

Funny thing there Age, Chicago actually just allowed the legal carry of weapons. Overall murders are the lowest this year since the 1960's. A large shooting is, of course, going to get more attention than 12 single shootings, but the violence is actually down.

I'm not seeing the date the gun ban was lifted, in a quick Google search, but it was recently.
 
It is ONLY commonsense that the more firearms you have circulating in a society that more chance you have of gun crime! NOT naivety BUT common sense! :p

Perhaps I mis-stated my position some. Its common sense that the less guns the people have in a society, the more chance that these people will be victimised by all sorts of crime, whether under the colour of law by criminal politicians passing illegal laws, or by criminals who make no pretense about what they are.

As sad as these mass shootings are, it will take a long, long time, perhaps forever, for the 10 or 20 people killed at each mass shooting to ever equal the millions of people murdered by their own governments because they could not protect themselves with firearms. To assume that even some of the existing governments of the world are benevolent bureaucracies is naive.

If you really want to stop the mass shootings, the shootings need to be thoroughly investigated, all the way back to the intelligence forces who are providing the motive and the means for them. Once the sponsors of the people causing these mass shootings are brought to justice, the "lone-gunman" (patsy) myth will die in the eyes of the population, and the remaining wicked men that are endeavouring to prosper via wicked means will scurry away like the cockroaches they are.
 
As always, your posts are appreciated simply because they are informative (not because they align with my own).

I pulled this from Wikipedia on 'Gun laws in Illinois':

"On July 9, 2013, Illinois became the last state in the country to allow the concealed carry of firearms. Within 180 days of that date, the state police will begin accepting permit applications. The police will grant permits to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. However, any law enforcement agency can object to an individual being granted a permit "based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety". Objections will be considered by a Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, which will decide whether or not the permit will be issued, based on "a preponderance of the evidence". Permits issued by other states will not be recognized. Open carry will still be prohibited in most areas. Without a concealed carry permit, a firearm must be unloaded and enclosed in a case when it is being transported.

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, issued by the state police. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement. There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun. Private sales are allowed, and are subject to these same requirements. Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, or silencers is prohibited. Possession of short-barreled rifles is permitted only for those who have an ATF Curios and Relics license or are a member of a military reenactment group.

Illinois has state preemption for only some areas of gun law, and some local governments have enacted ordinances that are more restrictive than those of the state."

^ Except for the ban on Open Carry, it looks like the state itself is sane. But this shooting, in which nobody was killed, happened in the city of Chicago between rival illegally armed street gangs. Guess what, rival street gangs will ALWAYS be illegally armed. The only people affected by the legislation are, of course, law abiding citizens who find themselves completely vulnerable when presented with illegally armed criminals!

In Los Angeles, a city with uber-strict gun control, Mexican cartels actually feed the street gangs semi-automatic and automatic rifles and handguns. Now this is ironic since Mexico has the strictest gun control laws on the American continent. The entire country of Mexico is basically a gun free zone (except for some hard to get permits for shotguns and .22 rifles for the wealthy). Yet the gangs are armed to the teeth through the cartels! They've even used explosives tossed under cars to blow them up. Totally crazy but law abiding citizens can just stand around and wave their cell phones at these tattooed street gangs members when they go into action (e.g. murder for hire, attacks on rivals, armed robbery, kidnapping for ransom, etc...). Of course we all know what Mexico's gun murder rate did after strict gun control legislation passed: it skyrocketed.

Last month, the Chicago City Council and the Cook County Board of Commissioners passed the strictest gun-safety laws in the state of Illinois. It's probably on it's way to the high court.

Is Chicago’s New Gun Law Legal?

The only people being hurt by all this gun control legislation are the good people being made defenseless.

Funny thing there Age, Chicago actually just allowed the legal carry of weapons. Overall murders are the lowest this year since the 1960's. A large shooting is, of course, going to get more attention than 12 single shootings, but the violence is actually down.

I'm not seeing the date the gun ban was lifted, in a quick Google search, but it was recently.
 
Hope all involved survive this. People playing basketball leads to this kind of thing, hope this kind of thing stops.

You'd think if we gathered enough people to have an anti-basketball march on Washington, D.C. we could finally raise awareness of this dangerous sport.
 
The murder rate in the US is NOTHING to be proud and tightening up your lax guns laws can ONLY reduce it, it is obvious you live in a fantasy world when it comes to gun crime in your country!

The thing is, the only way for gun crime to cease in America is for guns to no longer be available to American citizens or to the American military. Either that or the Second Coming of Jesus could accomplish what you want for my country. And currently what you want for my country would be for it to repeal an Amendment that was added to the Constitution for the very purpose of protecting citizens. Now you would say that this Amendment is broken no doubt. But consider what happens to the freedoms and lives of a nation's citizens once they are at the sole power of the military and the political elite. So how can the balance of power be kept? By giving the same equipment to the common citizens. That is common sense. And how can gun-related violence be curbed with these common sense laws? By not prohibiting people from carrying guns with them.

I think you far underestimate the gun restrictions we have in the US. In Oklahoma you can't open-carry a gun in any circumstance. You have to take classes to get a concealed weapons permit, which you have to pay a hefty sum for. If you pass the class then you can conceal carry. But without this permit you need to 1. keep your gun unloaded and in a locked container and 2. have the ammo/magazines in a separate locked container. Now with those laws how could you defend yourself without a concealed weapons permit? Especially if in order to defend yourself legally you can only respond to imminent, lethal danger (meaning you have a split second to react or you're going to die). Chances are, if you can unlock all your combination locks to get your gun out, then you're either dead or you could've just run away to begin with.

Just placing your hand on your gun in plain view is considered "use of deadly force" by our laws. That's not even pointing it at someone or shooting them. So America does take guns very seriously. And, unlike other countries' citizens, we Americans are familiar with firearms and how to deal with them. At least those of us who aren't delusional maniacs who want to strip ourselves of our freedoms and have criminals go on murdering rampages where they'd have to be stopped with batons, butter knives and pepper spray.

In summary, it is exactly the tight gun restrictions that are causing these deaths. You're already not supposed to carry a gun into a movie theater, onto school grounds or past a gun buster sign - even if you can otherwise open carry or have a concealed weapons permit. But guess what? Criminals still do it.
 
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Obama says fight for gun laws 'ought to obsess us'

He's at it again, boys. Using the deaths of others to circumvent a constitutional provision for self-defense and to cause more deaths. Our politicians are just brilliant. Don't they make you proud? I'm sure that the military personnel - largely conservative - would be grateful for how their liberal President is using their deaths to bring about tighter gun control laws that will handcuff future victims.

I think the main problem here is that so many people have been brainwashed into thinking "dangerous" and "harmful" whenever they hear the word "gun" that it's become a conditioned response to react in an unfavorable way to anyone or anything that supports the ownership of guns. But if the military didn't have guns to protect private citizens, then that would arguably be a lot more dangerous and harmful as a general rule. The thing is, if guns are ever taken out of the hands of American citizens entirely in a time of peace then in a time of dictatorial rule and crisis they have no way of fighting back. A rational, intelligent person does not draw up their plans for the future, expecting the best, most peaceful outcome; rather they plan for the worst but hope for the best. So the only conclusions can be that Obama is 1. not sane, 2. pretty dense, or 3. not interested in the long-term welfare of Americans.
 
"I don't know the answer. But I do know this — that this time it happened within the view of our Capitol dome, and I for one will not be silenced about the fact the time has come for action."

Wow. Yet more misinformation. For the longest time it was illegal to own a gun in Washington, D.C. And it's still illegal to carry one in the city - open-carry or conceal-carry. Doesn't matter which. And let's review what happened there:

Washington, D.C., has enacted a number of strict gun-restriction laws. The Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 prohibited residents from owning handguns, excluding those registered prior to February 5, 1977; however, this law was subsequently overturned in March 2007

The number of homicides in Washington peaked in 1991 at 479,[SUP][2][/SUP] and the city eventually became known as the "murder capital" of the United States.[SUP][3][/SUP]

So in 1991 when the gun ban was still in effect it became the "murder capital" of the United States. Do these people not study history? The gun ban was later repealed because of a link to increased violent crime. Now you can own a gun to defend yourself - you just can't carry it around with you in public, whether concealed or open-carry.
 
Obama says fight for gun laws 'ought to obsess us'

He's at it again, boys. Using the deaths of others to circumvent a constitutional provision for self-defense and to cause more deaths. Our politicians are just brilliant. Don't they make you proud? I'm sure that the military personnel - largely conservative - would be grateful for how their liberal President is using their deaths to bring about tighter gun control laws that will handcuff future victims.

I think the main problem here is that so many people have been brainwashed into thinking "dangerous" and "harmful" whenever they hear the word "gun" that it's become a conditioned response to react in an unfavorable way to anyone or anything that supports the ownership of guns. But if the military didn't have guns to protect private citizens, then that would arguably be a lot more dangerous and harmful as a general rule. The thing is, if guns are ever taken out of the hands of American citizens entirely in a time of peace then in a time of dictatorial rule and crisis they have no way of fighting back. A rational, intelligent person does not draw up their plans for the future, expecting the best, most peaceful outcome; rather they plan for the worst but hope for the best. So the only conclusions can be that Obama is 1. not sane, 2. pretty dense, or 3. not interested in the long-term welfare of Americans.

Or possibly even number 4, actually out to harm Americans. Don't like his Obamacare bill, tough. Don't like how he's chomping at the bit to fight Syria, tough. Don't like his hair cut, tough, etc. I would never put option number 4 past any elected official for the past 20 years.
 
In my opinion you've indirectly murdered innocent Syrian Christian men, women, and children by casting your vote for Obama who was then elected President and armed Muslim Jihadists that directly murdered Syrian men, women, and children for failing to forcibly convert to Islam. I didn't but you did.

Im a democrat i've never murdered anyone. Gun free zone or not.
 
In my opinion you've indirectly murdered innocent Syrian Christian men, women, and children by casting your vote for Obama who was then elected President and armed Muslim Jihadists that directly murdered Syrian men, women, and children for failing to forcibly convert to Islam. I didn't but you did.

Voting is more dangerous than operating a motor vehicle. I would argue it's more dangerous than operating one while drunk, texting, and eating a big mac.

It's too bad I haven't seen anyone on either party line I can ever get excited about. Such incompetence at the highest levels of power, no? I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
The moral decline has bloomed and Obamination is in full support of it along with all those that share in his ambitions for peace and liberty epecially to those who support his overthrow of Christianity in America.
 
Or possibly even number 4, actually out to harm Americans. Don't like his Obamacare bill, tough. Don't like how he's chomping at the bit to fight Syria, tough. Don't like his hair cut, tough, etc. I would never put option number 4 past any elected official for the past 20 years.

I'm tempted to go with #5. That the concept of a gun is viewed as dangerous and evil rather than safe and liberating. Therefore people vote against gun ownership. Therefore politicians support gun bans to win votes. Therefore more people buy into the politicians' propaganda and vote down gun ownership. It's like a dog chasing its tail. There's no real point to it; it's just a cycle that began out of misinformation and preconceptions.
 
People that vote against are easily duped.Sorry that is how I see it because of things I know.
 
I don't know it all smells bad.The timing is awful impeccable, and also really convenient, considering the proposals at hand,and then again maybe a whole bunch of odd coincidences just sprang up at a odd time idk.
 
To be honest with you, there is one encouraging common factor to all of these tragedies. In liberal areas that support gun restriction laws the weak-minded liberals are weeded out by natural selection because of their dupe-factor. It's the same result with homosexuality and pro-choicers. The ones who survive to produce offspring are primarily conservative, pro-life, heterosexual self-defensists - thus saving the human race from total annihilation. It's what we do best. Don't get me wrong; I'd rather everyone have life and have it more abundantly. But for those who support degenerate lifestyles and death that is exactly what they receive. And eventually the human race corrects itself.