The Millenium

[KAdamW]

When God gave us the feasts that lays out His plan for us, the last feast was the Feast of Tabernacles, this year it will be on 9/19 to 20. We are to put up a booth to stay in on those days, a new place for us to live. This is after the feast prophesying the return of Christ and day of judgment. The Feast of Tabernacles is prophesying a time of a new habitat for all those who are saved.

I have believed that the birth of Christ was the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles. I never considered or heard of dual significance, but it makes sense to an extent. But if it is a dual prophecy it seems weird because it may not give the year but it would give give a pretty close idea of the day(s) of the second coming.

I have to study on that more.

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, I enjoy reading the Holy Scriptures as you have assembled them. It is always thrilling for me to read each of the scriptures you have selected. Then, I love all of the Word. I am reminded of the words, "He sends forth His Word and melts them." Though in quotes, it is more paraphrased.

As for your conclusions, I am not as yet qualifed to make any determination let alone a conclusion but your post's conclusions, but it certainly rouses the soul. Thank you for going to so much trouble and effort for the family in Yeshua.

 

[KAdamW]

I did not start out trying to teach or write studies. But the more connections I found over the yrs forced me to start writing them down, much like one will write comments of verse references into their Bible. I started writing down similar passages until they started to look like a study. But I kept them to myself to use for simply reference purposes.

After about 7yrs people started to tell me I should teach. So I began converting the different subjects(using collections of references) into studies and printed them out and people liked them.

 

[Hoffco]

Sorry to say ,"you can fool some people all the time; But you cannot fool all the people all the time." "With the multitude of words there is much error. When you keep quoting scriptures that are not related in topic, you bring much confusion; I would not try to straight out your mess ups. Please, don't bring in verses which are not related to you topic. And ,please don't waste time and space, repeating some ones post, we can read it. I will just ask you, who, in the world, are being ruled over by the Christians and Jesus from Heaven in the New Jerusalem; as, you say, the earth is a total mess for 1,000 yrs. WHAT??? The disciples were told they would rules over the 12 tribes of Israel on the earth, The nation of the Jews and those left of the Gentiles will go into the Mill. in their natural bodies to populate the earth and they will be ruled over by the glorified Church and Jesus for 1,000 yrs. on this old earth. No one can read Revelation and not see this. At the end of the 1,000 yrs Satan is let out of the pit and allowed to deceive the world again and Jesus will totally destroy,kill all of them, who are on earth. then the wicked dead are raised to live and judged and cast into the lake of fire. Please read it for yourself in rev.20-22. The end time deception is sooo bad. Love to all. Hoffco

 

[john832]

At the moment, I don't think items 4 & 5 are correct. I could be wrong, but I believe that Christ will bring his people to earth where they will live for 1000 years. Revelation seems to indicate that they will have an encampment surrounding the earthly Jerusalem when the 1000 years ends.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed about the encampment of the holy ones, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:9
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Correctomundo, the New Jerusalem comes down to earth AFTER the Millenium and GWTJ. It is what is beyond the 7000 year plan of salvation for man.

 

[john832]

Good point. It just depends on how you look at it. Everyone is a sinner, but not everyone is wicked, as some people are wicked. I believe the wicked will definitely be destroyed in judgment, but that there will be many others whom GOD will spare to re-populate the earth. For instance, Joe Blow down the street who doesn't profess to be a Christian, but lives a more godly life than 90% of the Christians in his city. GOD is a just and merciful being.

The idea that the earth is barren of human life during the Millenium is an SDA doctrine I completely disagree with...

Isa 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
Eze 34:17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
Eze 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
Eze 34:19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
Eze 34:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
Eze 34:21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
Eze 34:22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Eze 34:25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
Eze 34:26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
Eze 34:27 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
Eze 34:28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
Eze 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
Eze 34:30 Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

This Millenial setting is absolute utopia on earth. It is the fulfillment of this scripture...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The NKJV has this as the "restoration of all things".

 

[zone]

Correctomundo, the New Jerusalem comes down to earth AFTER the Millenium and GWTJ. It is what is beyond the 7000 year plan of salvation for man.

what 7000 year plan....
please document.

oh....one day with the Lord type thingee?
k.

 

[Bookends]

Conclusion:
1. Christ gathers the righteous living and dead.
2. They rise up to meet Him in the air.
3. Christ destroys the wicked living.
4. Christ takes the righteous to New Jerusalem that He has prepared for his Bride.
5. The righteous live and reign with Christ in New Jerusalem for a thousand years.
6. The righteous and Christ in New Jerusalem return to earth when the thousand years are fulfilled.

1. Is this the second coming? or a secret coming?
2. And they stay in the air?
3. Annihilation?
4. Scriptures tells us the new Jerusalem comes down to earth.
5. Who are the righteous reigning over?
6. If the wicked are already destroyed, why wait a 1000 yrs to return to earth?

 

[Hoffco]

To john832 and Bookends , you both have good insight into God's plan for this earth. Jesus will make this earth so beautiful, no wars, the progress is unlimited. We will enjoy our reign with Jesus on this earth, for 1,000yrs. AMEN !! Oh, Zone ,you and I will work ,hand in hand. in Jeus coming Kingdom. Love to all, HoffcoI

 

[KAdamW]

When you keep quoting scriptures that are not related in topic, you bring much confusion; I would not try to straight out your mess ups. Please, don't bring in verses which are not related to you topic.

Well please show me the verses that are unrelated. I have combed through them more than once over the years and specifically removed some as my understanding increased. But mind you there is very little similar scriptures that are unrelated. For example the battle of gideon I believe paints a shadow of what to expect at armageddon, as does noah, sodom and gommarah, moses, parables etc... So if there is something specific please point out why it is not either directly or indirectly relevant. If I agree I will promptly remove it and never try to use it to make my point again.

I will just ask you, who, in the world, are being ruled over by the Christians and Jesus from Heaven in the New Jerusalem; as, you say, the earth is a total mess for 1,000 yrs. WHAT??? The disciples were told they would rules over the 12 tribes of Israel on the earth

Oh? Please share the location of this scripture.

The nation of the Jews and those left of the Gentiles will go into the Mill. in their natural bodies to populate the earth and they will be ruled over by the glorified Church and Jesus for 1,000 yrs. on this old earth. No one can read Revelation and not see this.

Evidently millions cannot see it. Wow, since the millennium is only specifically referred to one time then please enlighten me as to where you see all this stuff. I'll have some strong words to say to King James for omitting it from my translation.

At the end of the 1,000 yrs Satan is let out of the pit and allowed to deceive the world again and Jesus will totally destroy,kill all of them, who are on earth. then the wicked dead are raised to live and judged and cast into the lake of fire. Please read it for yourself in rev.20-22.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, so the real difference with our post millennial views is you do not seem to think the scripture is repetitive in this area. Do you agree in other areas of scripture that they essentially repeat the same thing immediately after but in slightly different imagery or words?

 

[KAdamW]

The idea that the earth is barren of human life during the Millenium is an SDA doctrine I completely disagree with...

So how do you contend with the scripture that indicates exactly that in my OP?

Also there is only one place in the Bible that everyone agrees with is during the millennium. Based on that passage in revelation please show me why I should connect the images found there to any verse you just posted. Without a direct mention of the this 1000yrs we are all bound by the specific images you see there, anything short is an assumption.

Also do you understand what conditional prophecy is? Let's say you do, with that in mind. How do you see OT prophecies differing if Christ had been accepted and Israel had not been cut off?

Mat. 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Also Rom. 11

 

[KAdamW]

1. Is this the second coming? or a secret coming? I do not believe in a secret coming and yes it is the 2nd coming.
2. And they stay in the air? No they go into new Jerusalem.
3. Annihilation? Yes
4. Scriptures tells us the new Jerusalem comes down to earth. Yes after the 1000yrs it does say that.
5. Who are the righteous reigning over? Nobody, it never says that we reign over anyone. I says we reign with Christ.
6. If the wicked are already destroyed, why wait a 1000 yrs to return to earth? It says we sit on thrones judging.

Thank you for replying.

 

[zone]

Also do you understand what conditional prophecy is? Let's say you do, with that in mind. How do you see OT prophecies differing if Christ had been accepted and Israel had not been cut off?

no price paid for sin.
no salvation.

 

[KAdamW]

At the moment, I don't think items 4 & 5 are correct. I could be wrong, but I believe that Christ will bring his people to earth where they will live for 1000 years. Revelation seems to indicate that they will have an encampment surrounding the earthly Jerusalem when the 1000 years ends.

I was reading this and trying to figure out where our wires were crossed I now see it was the little word "and".

" ...encampment of the holy ones, and the beloved city..."

I do see what your saying. It would lead one to think that the encampment and beloved city are two separated things. However "and" is not always used in that fashion and that word has been translated 1100 times as "even" or "indeed" amongst other things.

But for arguments sake lets take it as it's most literal straight from the page. My question would be; "you don't think the saints are in New Jerusalem during the millennium?". If not how do you reconcile His promise to take us to his fathers house when He returned? He has been gone for 2000yrs preparing it for us and declared when He returned to receive us to where He is. And we know that during the millennium we will be with Him sitting on thrones. Where is this throne sitting with Christ going to be?

 

[KAdamW]

no price paid for sin.
no salvation.

ok. not exactly where I was going with that. i have to ask the prophecy of the 70wks in Daniel do you see that as a probationary period for Israel to straighten up their act so to speak?

 

[BananaPie]

I have believed that the birth of Christ was the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles.

Good Lord! Indeed!

...so, what's your understanding regarding Christmas? What's the extent of your participation in Christmas festivities?

 

[zone]

ok. not exactly where I was going with that. i have to ask the prophecy of the 70wks in Daniel do you see that as a probationary period for Israel to straighten up their act so to speak?

Re: Mystery, Babylon the Great - earthly Jerusalem?

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

ALL FULFILLED ^


if there was a probationary period, it followed the 70th week.....virtually 40 years from the time He warned the BELIEVERS...until 70AD.


Luke 19:43
42saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43"For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."


Acts 2:40
39"For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." 40And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!" 41So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

 

[KAdamW]

Good Lord! Indeed!

...so, what's your understanding regarding Christmas? What's the extent of your participation in Christmas festivities?

Weird thing is as an atheist growing up raised by atheists we celebrated christmas, after becoming a Christian and studying a little i stopped observance. As i also stopped easter, birthdays, halloween...

 

[KAdamW]

ALL FULFILLED ^

if there was a probationary period, it followed the 70th week.....virtually 40 years from the time He warned the BELIEVERS...until 70AD.

You do see that he sets a period of time and tells them what he expects to be accomplished during that period though, right? In the event you say yes....

So it is understandable that things would have gone differently had that happened, right?

Personally I see Christ as having to take over many things that were expected of Israel and fulfilled them in a spiritual manner since they failed at the literal.

Anyway we may disagree with some details but we agree on some general things. Always good.

Next may I ask whether the statue with ten toes in daniel, do you see correlation with that vision and the ten heads in Revelation?

 

[zone]

Daniel 11:

Antiochus Epiphanes - 11:21-32
The Maccabees/Hasmoneans - 11:32-35

Herod the Great - 11:36-39

Daniel 11:36
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Caesar Augustus - 11:40-43

Daniel 11:40
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Daniel 11:42
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Herod the Great - 11:44-45

Daniel 11:44
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many

Matthew 2:1–18
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. 7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. 9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. 11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. 12 And being warned of God min a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph min a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. 14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, 18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Daniel 11:45
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

HEROD:

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Acts 4
23When they were released, they went to their friends and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25who through the mouth of our father David, your servant,c said by the Holy Spirit,

“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—

27for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servantse to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” 31And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.