Attack of the seventh day adventists

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You can slide in small insults to avoid discussion if you wish. But if that is all you choose to resort to when honest responses are desired then by all means don't let me stop you.

The law is revealed in the Lord’s character, and we are to be like Him.

God is good Luke 18:19; law is good Rom.7:12
God is holy Isa. 5:16; law is holy Rom. 7:12
God is just Deu. 32:4; law is just Rom. 7:12
God is spiritual John 4:24; law is spiritual Rom. 7:14
God is perfect Mat. 5:48; law is perfect Psa. 19:7
God is love 1John 4:8; law is love Rom. 13:10
God is righteous Exo. 9:27; law is righteous Psa. 19:9
God is truth Deu. 32:4; law is truth Psa. 119:42,151
God is pure 1John 3:3; law is pure Psa. 19:8
God is unchangeable Mal. 3:6; law is unchangeable Mat. 5:18
God is eternal Gen. 21:33; law is eternal Psa. 111.7,8

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
 
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The law is revealed in the Lord’s character, and we are to be like Him.

God is good Luke 18:19; law is good Rom.7:12
God is holy Isa. 5:16; law is holy Rom. 7:12
God is just Deu. 32:4; law is just Rom. 7:12
God is spiritual John 4:24; law is spiritual Rom. 7:14
God is perfect Mat. 5:48; law is perfect Psa. 19:7
God is love 1John 4:8; law is love Rom. 13:10
God is righteous Exo. 9:27; law is righteous Psa. 19:9
God is truth Deu. 32:4; law is truth Psa. 119:42,151
God is pure 1John 3:3; law is pure Psa. 19:8
God is unchangeable Mal. 3:6; law is unchangeable Mat. 5:18
God is eternal Gen. 21:33; law is eternal Psa. 111.7,8
The law merely describes GOD; it is not GOD. What do I need law for when GOD himself lives in me where I can know him intimately?
 
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You can slide in small insults to avoid discussion if you wish. But if that is all you choose to resort to when honest responses are desired then by all means don't let me stop you.
It is not an insult; it is the truth. Seeking to be justified in any way by law is unbelief.
 
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It is not an insult; it is the truth. Seeking to be justified in any way by law is unbelief.
I disagree blending the Mosaic laws with grace means the death Of Christ is not sufficient. Which is plain wrong.

Now if a person wants to go to church on Saturday because it fits their schedule then it's fine. If they go because they consider it to be a valide law then the mock the death of Christ. They are saying Christ's work on the cross is not sufficient.
 
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It is not an insult; it is the truth. Seeking to be justified in any way by law is unbelief.
why are you trying to cram your box upon my character?

when did i suggest being justified by law? please don't slide in another defaming remark where it does not exist. again i will seek to have a convo about the scripture without the slick attempt to bash me.
 
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I disagree blending the Mosaic laws with grace means the death Of Christ is not sufficient. Which is plain wrong.

Now if a person wants to go to church on Saturday because it fits their schedule then it's fine. If they go because they consider it to be a valide law then the mock the death of Christ. They are saying Christ's work on the cross is not sufficient.
dan, nobody said any such thing.
 
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The law merely describes GOD; it is not GOD. What do I need law for when GOD himself lives in me where I can know him intimately?
never did i say the law was God. why say that unless you heard it. it is simply trying to pervert my view without addressing it. i expected better based upon your previous comments, yet you have sunk to cheap comments that speak of stuff i never said.

and if you have a problem handling the verses i posted take it up with paul who you claimed supports your view.
 
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Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. Gal. 3:19
This verse proves that the Mosaic law is no longer in effect. Jesus came to fulfill it. End of story.
 

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This verse proves that the Mosaic law is no longer in effect. Jesus came to fulfill it. End of story.
exactly the law is only there to show us that we are in sin, it is also there to prove that we need to go to a higher being to make us not be a slave to sin anymore because the law show that we are under sin and sin leads to death
 
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exactly the law is only there to show us that we are in sin, it is also there to prove that we need to go to a higher being to make us not be a slave to sin anymore because the law show that we are under sin and sin leads to death
Yes. The law can not save you or anyone (Rom. 3:20). The law teaches us that we are sinners and no one needs faith to practice the law. Those who keep the law put God to the test (Acts 15:10).
 
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A rose by any other name...
 
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why are you trying to cram your box upon my character?

when did i suggest being justified by law? please don't slide in another defaming remark where it does not exist. again i will seek to have a convo about the scripture without the slick attempt to bash me.
You're being disingenuous. You do believe that a person must keep the 10 commandments in order to be justified to GOD, yet you are equivocating and trying to hide that fact (just the other sabbath keepers do).
 
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This verse proves that the Mosaic law is no longer in effect. Jesus came to fulfill it. End of story.
it does no such thing.

lets assume for a crazy moment it does though.

are you allowed to murder or participate in sorcery then?
 
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You're being disingenuous. You do believe that a person must keep the 10 commandments in order to be justified to GOD, yet you are equivocating and trying to hide that fact (just the other sabbath keepers do).
i believe no such thing. how do you attempt to tell me what i believe?
 
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i believe no such thing. how do you attempt to tell me what i believe?
I'm trying to determine what you believe. Do you believe that believers are under command by GOD to not work on Saturdays?
 
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it does no such thing.

lets assume for a crazy moment it does though.

are you allowed to murder or participate in sorcery then?
Let's assume :confused:

Murder is prohibited in Rom 13:9. That's from the the Apostle Paul, he interprets the Torah for us.

Rom 13:8 (H)Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for (I)the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, (J)“You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: (K)“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Sorcery is prohibited in Gal 5:20. That's from the the Apostle Paul, he interprets the Torah for us.

Gal 5:19 Now (AJ)the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, (AK)divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that (AL)those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Let's assume :confused:

Murder is prohibited in Rom 13:9. That's from the the Apostle Paul, he interprets the Torah for us.

Rom 13:8 (H)Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for (I)the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, (J)“You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: (K)“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Sorcery is prohibited in Gal 5:20. That's from the the Apostle Paul, he interprets the Torah for us.

Gal 5:19 Now (AJ)the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, (AK)divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that (AL)those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
please take into consideration the context, you joining subject so late and quoting out of context does not help but add more confusion.
 
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I'm trying to determine what you believe. Do you believe that believers are under command by GOD to not work on Saturdays?
i believe that all 10 of the commandments are expected of every person who they are revealed to. if the spirit or word directs a certain behavior then lovers of God will want to keep that behavior.
 
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i believe that all 10 of the commandments are expected of every person who they are revealed to. if the spirit or word directs a certain behavior then lovers of God will want to keep that behavior.
So you believe that ALL believers are under command by GOD to not work on Saturdays?

A yes or no answer will suffice...
 
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So you believe that ALL believers are under command by GOD to not work on Saturdays?

A yes or no answer will suffice...
sorry but a yes or no will not suffice. i came to my views of the Sabbath as a personal moment. i cannot make other believers go through that moment. each believer has to be convinced in their own heart. i can only state that i concur with God claiming a specific day that was blessed for man and to what day i think that is. the rest is left to a readers own logic or persuasion by the holy spirit.