Do you even have conversations with atheists?
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Atheist: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Christian: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Arguing is pointless.
Christian: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Arguing is pointless.
It is so true heh(except the pointless part). Atheists and Christians are more alike than we realize I think. Opposing views, but similar arguments.
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you need patience to be able to have a "conversation" with them. im a patient person, slow to anger, and patient with life in general. BUT, my patience with atheists can be very short. sometimes i can take my time with them, other times, i have no patience.
and its really about their approach to the conversation. generally, they are very insulting, like to make jokes, sarcastic, like to mock you and God / Jesus.. when they are that shallow and ignorant, i lose my patience very quickly.
a couple of my closest friends are atheists and we've had debates and conversations for hours, days.. 1 is respectful but stubborn. the other, very disrespectful.
needless to say, the 1 that is disrespectful, we are not friends anymore. even tho i was always respectful toward him and helped him out with little things when he never asked for help.
and the respectful 1, we are cool, but im not as cool with him as we once were because he really doesnt listen to anything you say. he will go through with the motions of the conversation, but hes really not trying to hear you. and i give him nothing but advice when hes always going through something, and you see how he could have avoided this situation if he would have listened, but he doesnt even see it that way.. then you give him advice on how to get out of this situation, and he doesnt hear you and dwells in this problem... again, seeing how your advice would help, he doesnt even consider it. you would think as many mistakes he made that he could have avoided just by simply taking heed to my advice, that he would take notice to what i say and begin to listen more, then eventually come around to believing ( which is really the only reason im associated with him ).. but it seems like a hopeless situation of trying to conquer. but i keep my faith and patience with him.
and its really about their approach to the conversation. generally, they are very insulting, like to make jokes, sarcastic, like to mock you and God / Jesus.. when they are that shallow and ignorant, i lose my patience very quickly.
a couple of my closest friends are atheists and we've had debates and conversations for hours, days.. 1 is respectful but stubborn. the other, very disrespectful.
needless to say, the 1 that is disrespectful, we are not friends anymore. even tho i was always respectful toward him and helped him out with little things when he never asked for help.
and the respectful 1, we are cool, but im not as cool with him as we once were because he really doesnt listen to anything you say. he will go through with the motions of the conversation, but hes really not trying to hear you. and i give him nothing but advice when hes always going through something, and you see how he could have avoided this situation if he would have listened, but he doesnt even see it that way.. then you give him advice on how to get out of this situation, and he doesnt hear you and dwells in this problem... again, seeing how your advice would help, he doesnt even consider it. you would think as many mistakes he made that he could have avoided just by simply taking heed to my advice, that he would take notice to what i say and begin to listen more, then eventually come around to believing ( which is really the only reason im associated with him ).. but it seems like a hopeless situation of trying to conquer. but i keep my faith and patience with him.
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Atheist: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Christian: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Arguing is pointless.
Christian: "Ugh!! They are SO stubborn! It's like there is a WALL of ignorance there blocking them from listening!"
Arguing is pointless.
the difference is, 1 takes faith, the other takes being simple ( only believing what you can touch, see, and feel. and they say WE are close minded..
)besides that, 1 of us is wrong, and the other is right. cant wait til that day ...
In my work as a chaplain I encounter atheists all the time. I have so far found them to be very moral and respectful people. In fact, they appreciate my visits and look forward to the next time. Some will discuss faith, others will not even talk about their journey to atheism. One man told me he was an atheist and then we had a nice long conversation about other things. Then he told me usually religious folk "flee" when he reveals his beliefs, and that it "didn't seem to be working this time!" LOL
I think atheists are unique individuals, created in the image of God. They are sinners who have not yet met Christ. Some of them may never meet Christ. Still, it is our duty as Christians to friend them and to talk to them in a loving manner. I know I was once an atheist, and one man never gave up on me, giving me a reason to believe each time I talked to him.
So I suppose there are argumentative ones too! I think it just depends upon them but also on the way we approach them. Funny, I spend a lot of time praying for those atheists - probably more than for the needs of the Christians. Nothing worse than dying without knowing Jesus as Saviour, and the people I meet are all a lot closer to death than the average person on the street. If only they knew death could come any day - maybe those atheists would examine the claims of Christ a bit more carefully.
I think atheists are unique individuals, created in the image of God. They are sinners who have not yet met Christ. Some of them may never meet Christ. Still, it is our duty as Christians to friend them and to talk to them in a loving manner. I know I was once an atheist, and one man never gave up on me, giving me a reason to believe each time I talked to him.
So I suppose there are argumentative ones too! I think it just depends upon them but also on the way we approach them. Funny, I spend a lot of time praying for those atheists - probably more than for the needs of the Christians. Nothing worse than dying without knowing Jesus as Saviour, and the people I meet are all a lot closer to death than the average person on the street. If only they knew death could come any day - maybe those atheists would examine the claims of Christ a bit more carefully.
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I don't want to sound harsh but I've seen christians posting on threads that show their true inner selves as well Which goes to show, we are all equal in sin, even christians can fall too. We are not perfect.
Which goes to show, we are all equal in sin, even christians can fall too. We are not perfect.
I haven't replied to your PM yet as been busy.
But I'm guessing your solid evidence would be for God to reveal himself to you? as that's what most atheists request he he
But I'm guessing your solid evidence would be for God to reveal himself to you? as that's what most atheists request he he
As the old saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
After hearing about virgin births, dead people being resurrected, angels, demons, eternal hellfire, prophecies, floods, talking snakes, talking bushes to name but a few... It would take nothing short of god revealing himself to me to believe it.
Yep; I've heard atheists say before that they can't think of anything that would convince them, since even something like God himself doing some grand reveal could just as easily be an extraterrestrial intelligence or some other power beyond present human understanding.
But, as Matt Dillahunty is fond of saying, if God is all-knowing and all-powerful then He knows exactly what it would take to make Matt believe and could make that happen if He so chose.
But, as Matt Dillahunty is fond of saying, if God is all-knowing and all-powerful then He knows exactly what it would take to make Matt believe and could make that happen if He so chose.
There is irrefutable evidence aplenty. If people are willing to really search. Not just a quick google and listen to some athiest spend an hour giving his reasoning, but truly find the experts in their field who have tried to disprove the bible- Archaeologists, historians, scientists- the deeper they go the more they find. Truly "seek and you shall find." I was working at a church in Austin when they had a large event where scientists came from all over to say "okay, we don't believe in exactly what the bible says, but the more we try to disprove the theory of creation the more we discover that creation is the only thing that fits." Archaeologists try to find discrepancies about sites and buildings. The bible says it had 5 pillars. If we can uncover it and find it only had 4. Or could this field hold 30,000 chariots. On and on. Historians searching other documents- Jewish, Roman etc. Scientists proving that the universe is accelerating in speed as it spreads out into space as though some invisible force is pushing it. It goes on and on and on.
umm it was called... Faith and science? faith in science? science in faith? I don't remember it was some years ago, but a quick google gave me this. I haven't watched it but the people comments on the bottom suggest this is for you.
Overcoming the Faith and Science Divide by Alister McGrath
Overcoming the Faith and Science Divide by Alister McGrath