Firstly that person couldn't be a christian brother in the first place anyone with the mind of christ would never continue to sin and if your trying to implicate to me that what i said makes it free for us to sin then you sound like foolish person, the fact that we become righteous when we are born again says it all whoever is born again is a servant a christ not a servant of sin, that is the righteousness of christ, that is why it is written christ came to fulfill the law, fulfill it in us not we fulfil the law by following it, it's a big difference also a covenant was made with us that he will write his law in our hearts and mind, thus making us a new creation in christ
Attack of the seventh day adventists
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i've been ask this question so many times by sabbatarians on this forum since i came here " so what are we do then kill steal covet if we are not to follow the law " that should say it all, if you knew the righteousness of God that would never come from any of your mouths because the righteousness of God will be in you, you will know the will of God
K
What if you friend was a person that truly loved the Lord, yet he was an alcoholic or had a bad temper and always busting someone in their grill. Yet they went to church erry time the door was open and gave to the poor. Had a wife that they respected and cut the grass at the church twice a week.
If you put your faith in what you can do, than you have already failed and the sin nature will rule over you no matter what that sin is. If adultery or drugs or homosexuality.
Our faith must be placed in the work of the cross and nothing else. There is nothing else that can save or deliver.
If you put your faith in what you can do, than you have already failed and the sin nature will rule over you no matter what that sin is. If adultery or drugs or homosexuality.
Our faith must be placed in the work of the cross and nothing else. There is nothing else that can save or deliver.
so WE are foolish for looking at people break the Sabbathevery week with no intention to change their behavior and claiming that they follow the laws God has placed on their heart?
but YOU are not foolish when someone breaks one of the other commandmentsand you claim they are sinful and don't have the mind of Christ?
why do you get to pick which one of the ten commandments it is a sin to break and which is not?
so He wrote only 9 of the 10 commandments on your heart.
but YOU are not foolish when someone breaks one of the other commandmentsand you claim they are sinful and don't have the mind of Christ?
why do you get to pick which one of the ten commandments it is a sin to break and which is not?
so He wrote only 9 of the 10 commandments on your heart.
Here's how to keep the Sabbath as prescribed--animal sacrifice:
Num 28:9-10 ¶ And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour [for] a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: [This is] the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
You still haven't explained why Christians continued animal sacrifice in Acts 21? The Holy Spirit will show you the answer in Hebrews 10.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ck-seventh-day-adventists-32.html#post1202352
Num 28:9-10 ¶ And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour [for] a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: [This is] the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
You still haven't explained why Christians continued animal sacrifice in Acts 21? The Holy Spirit will show you the answer in Hebrews 10.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ck-seventh-day-adventists-32.html#post1202352
the 10 commandments were never for us the gentiles, it was always for the jews what to 10 commandment does is show us that we have SIN IN OUR LIVES and that we need a higher being to set us free from doing the things contained in commandments, the bible itself SAID WE DO BY NATURE THE THINGS CONTAINED IN THE LAW, THAT IS WHY WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO HAVE IT FULFILLED IN US
i Know i have the righteousness of God in me because he converted and change my entire nature that is why i can come here to this forum and tell every single one of you this, i was once a slave to sin doing the things contained in the law as the bible STATES THE GENTILES DOES, but then i found christ and he change me nature and made me a NEW CREATURE that is the righteousness of christ right there when we are truly free from sin and born again and become a servant a God and can't help but Love him because his love is in us, if the bible said that CHRIST FULFILLS THE LAW IN US, which means our nature become one with it we cannot go against it, so why would you or anyone still need to follow it when it is in your nature?
K
My brother Josh, I love you. But, think of what you just said. Love God in the flesh. The flesh opposes God, there are many people who truly love God, but yet they are bound by sin. The reason why is this, they have placed their faith in what they are doing and what Jesus did on the cross. Their teachers and preachers are telling them to do this and do that and it never works. The only thing that God will accept is faith in the works that His Son did on the cross and nothing else.
i never said we have to love God in the flesh i was saying those people have love for God in the flesh and having a new nature in christ free us from the bondage of sin sister, that is why we must be born again, see? because everysingle human being is born in SIN, that is why we must be born again to be born in sin means to be a slave to sin but to be born again is to be a servant to christ and not under the yoke of sin
K
Correct, but only if the focus of our faith is placed firmly in the work of the cross and not what we are doing. If we have faith in what we are doing then the sin nature is revived and we once again become bound by it even though we truly love the Lord. The cross is the means that allows the Holy Spirit to produce in us good fruit and not that of our own.
ok praus, i am familiar with that chapter that was when paul came to jerusalem with donations for the needy because jerusalem was in a period of famine. he was told there were thousands of jewish converts who were zealous for the law. but they had heard that paul had forsaken moses and the customs of his kinsman. not wanting to offend them and prove that he had not abandoned moses they offered him a salution. they had four men who had taken a nazarite vow (num. 6:13-20) and suggested that paul join them in the customs of this vow to show the people he had not abandoned moses and the customs. so he did join them, (also check acts 18:18) with the purification offerings so that he would gain their confidence. it failed, about a week later he was beaten and taken into custody.
this was part of the nazarite vow. i am not sure why you think that hebrews reference has any relation to this vow or area of scripture. i read it over several times and am not sure what you are wanting me to see.
this was part of the nazarite vow. i am not sure why you think that hebrews reference has any relation to this vow or area of scripture. i read it over several times and am not sure what you are wanting me to see.
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Cool. 
Also have a peek at 1 Pet 2:24. We're saved and healed by His Blood. A drunkard (me) can't enter the kingdom of Heaven but alcoholism is a serious medical condition. It seems like a catch-22, but the Blood of the Lamb took care of all of that for me, I just submitted ...
1 Pet 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
Also have a peek at 1 Pet 2:24. We're saved and healed by His Blood. A drunkard (me) can't enter the kingdom of Heaven but alcoholism is a serious medical condition. It seems like a catch-22, but the Blood of the Lamb took care of all of that for me, I just submitted ...1 Pet 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
the law has been around since the beginning, the Sabbath was made for man on the 7th day of creation. that was 2300 yrs before a jew or israelite existed and even longer until they were finally written down at sinai. there can be know sin without law, so how do you think cain and abel knew about offerings, unclean animals, murder etc...
adultery was known also, even noah knew about the unclean animals. how do you think God's people knew what these things were and what was sin if they were not written? it is because they heard the law. the law has been given to mankind in 3 different ways. first it was told to them, then it was written on tables of stone for them and finally it was written on our hearts. same law given in 3 different ways at 3 different times.
adultery was known also, even noah knew about the unclean animals. how do you think God's people knew what these things were and what was sin if they were not written? it is because they heard the law. the law has been given to mankind in 3 different ways. first it was told to them, then it was written on tables of stone for them and finally it was written on our hearts. same law given in 3 different ways at 3 different times.
Because Paul and James--two of the people who defined Christianity--were still involved with animal sacrifice.
Num 6:9-12 “And if any man dies very suddenly beside him and he defiles his consecrated head, then (A)he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it. (B)On the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two pigeons to the priest to the entrance of the tent of meeting, and the priest shall offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned by reason of the dead body. And he shall consecrate his head that same day and separate himself to the Lord for the days of his separation and bring a male lamb a year old (C)for a guilt offering. But the previous period shall be void, because his separation was defiled. (ESV)
Num 6:9-12 “And if any man dies very suddenly beside him and he defiles his consecrated head, then (A)he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it. (B)On the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two pigeons to the priest to the entrance of the tent of meeting, and the priest shall offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned by reason of the dead body. And he shall consecrate his head that same day and separate himself to the Lord for the days of his separation and bring a male lamb a year old (C)for a guilt offering. But the previous period shall be void, because his separation was defiled. (ESV)
this was a different kind of sacrifice. a nazarite vow is a completely different thing, and paul went along with it not because it was required but to help convince the new jewish converts that he was still one of them.
nobody said jews are wrong or right for keeping this custom or that it was required of them. this was not part of any sanctuary ceremony for redemption, it was a personal choice to please God. paul also says in romans about the subject of feasting and fasting days that each man be convinced in their own mind. he simply saw no harm in people wanting to continue with some of these customs and it was up to the individual.
he did have a problem with jews who were frowning upon the gentile converts because the were not doing precisely as they still felt was proper. this was a big area of confusion paul had to continually define what things were still expected and what wasn't.
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