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CoooCaw · Oct 1, 2013

meshuga.....................

So? I'm the United States citizen and taxpayer. US foreign aid and our veto power in the UN is what allows Israel to exist in the first place. I'll post photos of dead Iraqi babies if that's the topic of the thread--not much difference--I paid for that also.

-> U.S. aid to Israel totals $233.7b over six decades - Business Israel News | Haaretz

It's Israel, not israel [sic].

Attack or libel? Israel stands guard. The United States stands guard. That doesn't mean I'm going to allow atrocities against civilians to pass without, you know, saying something...

You just stay at home and bang two rocks together (proof: Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome) and pretend that Jewish people actually care what you think. That's why I feel compelled to label it a dispensationalist fantasy.

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Today's Yiddish word of the day: schmoe
schmoe - Wiktionary

schmoe (plural schmoes) Noun
A stupid or obnoxious person
From Yiddish.

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Yiddish

YIDDISH LANGUAGE

Yiddish is an endangered heritage language. It is the 1,000-year-old language of Ashkenazi Jews (i.e. European Jews). Ashkenazic Jewish Civilization represented one of the highest peaks in the history of Judaism: Yidn (Jews) spoke Yiddish (the language of the Jews).

Yiddish is a highly plastic and assimilative language, rich in idioms, and possessing remarkable freshness, pithiness, and pungency. There were an estimated 11 million speakers of Yiddish before Holocaust (two out of three Jews in the world spoke Yiddish ), and on the eve of WW II, there were 60 Yiddish daily newspapers and 300-400 daily periodicals in 30 different countries. Truly international in scope, Yiddish works were published on all five continents. It is estimated that a quarter of a million works of Yiddish literature were published in the mere 80 years that represent the height of modern Yiddish culture (approximately 1860-1940). Today there are an estimated one million speakers world-wide. It remains on the UN list of endangered languages.

Yiddish is a “fusion” language, its development a rapid process of growth and dissolution. It is based originally on a mixture of Middle High German dialects and coalescing into a language around the Rhine region of Mainz and Spires around 1100. Written in Hebrew characters, it initially served as an auxiliary to Hebrew, which was the language of prayer, ritual, and scholarly and legal commentaries. But it soon acquired an international scope (reflecting the travail of wandering, exile, dispersion), borrowing freely from almost every Indo-European language. With an estimated vocabulary of 180,000 words, it is one of the richest languages in the world. Approximately 80 percent of its vocabulary is derived from the Germanic; 15 percent is Hebraic; and five percent is from Slavic, Latin and Romance languages.

It is also categorized as a Germanic “folk” language. Since it was spoken by ordinary people rather than by scholars, its vocabulary is weak in abstractions, and has few items descriptive of nature (with which the Jews of Eastern Europe had relatively little contact). Yet it has a wealth of words descriptive of character

and of relations among people. It also makes liberal use of diminutives and terms of endearment and has a variety of expletives. Use of proverbs is considerable. These qualities and usages give Yiddish a uniquely warm and personal flavor.

Yiddish is a language rich in irony, as exemplified by the following proverb on economic theory: “Rich and poor both lie IN the ground together, but ON the ground the rich lie more comfortably.”

Praus · Oct 1, 2013

CoooCaw said:

God bless you brother CoooCaw, we have reached the first level of understanding.

Next step--you're just getting started--find your local Neteuri Karta rabbis and beat them up because the dispensationalist fantasy doesn't agree with the book of Leviticus. Dispensationalist fantasy only works when one ignores the Torah.

Lev 19:18 ¶ Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD. (KJV)

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

[video=youtube;YBNMDjj5LKc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc[/video]

LT · Oct 1, 2013

The Israeli government monitors all American internet access, so I would never bash them on a forum. I don't want to end up like one of those babies Praus showed us.

CoooCaw · Oct 2, 2013

it amazed me when Zone used her twisted logic to conclude that I was antisemitic;

I can understand you two wanting to spread such propoganda as a debating strategy but it is alway a mistake to start believing your own lies

what you two MISrepresent as dispensationalism is simply a paper tiger

you should take a close look at your own AMill position and see where that LOGIACALLY leads

Jews all over the world are coming to realise that if they have ANY friends in the world, it is the Bible Believing christians as opposed to the established denominations; and certainly not papists or those who are bogged down in the half baked, unfinished revolution that is Reformed theology.

Praus said:

Praus · Oct 2, 2013

CoooCaw said:

And you haven't substantiated your charge of antisemitism against me, you merely changed the subject.

CoooCaw said:

CoooCaw, you're ten years older than me and writing like a high school kid. Don't you care enough about Jewish people to actually adopt some basic adult skills in your writing style? I think the Jewish people of the world deserve better.

CoooCaw said:

I don't know about Zone, I'm actually interested in what you "MISrepresent" as Christianity and "MISrepresent" as Judaism--starting with the title of this thread which is not about "my local Jew".

Why use deception if you want us to understand dispensationalism?

That's what I know so far--dispensationalists use deception.

CoooCaw said:

Um, what's an "AMill position"?

CoooCaw said:

I already specified that if you want to be taken seriously that you should call them Jewish people, not Jews.

Praus said:

I'm guessing that by continuing--in your slurring, in your misrepresentation of their "friends in the world", and in your objectification of them for you own theological fantasy--that you don't actually know any Jewish people--not even one.

JaumeJ · Oct 2, 2013

There are two Flocks brought together by Yeshua. There is the first flock of the descendants of Israel and converts to them, and the second flock, those Gentiles who heard the Voice of the Good Shepherd and became one with the Original Flock.

There is only One faith or religion shared by them all in common, that is the Faith of Abraham. There is only One Guide for them all, the Word of Yahweh. For now, there remain those who understand the Word, but only in part, they being those who have not yet come to the flock.

If this sounds pious to anyone, it is because the understanding is from the Word, so you will have to take it up with our Father. He will understand.

RedTent · Oct 2, 2013

There have been some interesting points brought out here. But there are some that aren’t talked of much. We must include all of scripture about any subject, all scripture is truth.

Scripture tells us that God used the Jews to learn of Him, and we look to them for teaching. We are to honor them for that.

In both Ezekiel and Isaiah it tells us that God is sending the Jews back to the land He gave them in the last days. They are going back. The devil does not want God’s way to be done, he is using nations and even people in our church to fight what is of God. They are working against God.

In Romans it explains that the Jews have been blinded to Christ as the Messiah for our sakes. How this helps us to accept Christ’s salvation I can only guess. But God tells us that it does.

In Zech 8:23 it says this: The LORD of Hosts says this: "In those days, 10 men from nations of every language will grab the robe of a Jewish man tightly, urging: Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you." Especially after reading some of these posts, it isn't happening today!! But God says it will happen.

Bryancampbell · Oct 2, 2013

@Redtent

I don't know about today, Jewish people of the biblical era aren't the same as today's. To say they still are a certain school teacher is, rather, difficult. I don't know how much you know about the modern Judaism, but even the Pharisees and Saducees would condemn them, as funny as it sounds. Their interpretation, practices, teachings, fables, literature, and lifestyle are far far gone from even considering learning, unless you want to learn about their form of "Judaism". I be careful not follow the blind, because you both will fall into a ditch. Times have changed from biblical era, Paul might have been talking directly to the people of his time, when the temple still stood. I don't know still, but this is my opinion so far as to whether we still observe them as a teacher of the old testament.

Hizikyah · Oct 2, 2013

RedTent said:

this will certianly happen, but it will not be from any of the Jewish people that follow Judaism, this is a foundational "story" that supplies this religion with the "authority" of the "rabbis":

Talmud (definitive book of Judaism)- Mas. Baba Metzia 59b

We learnt elsewhere: If he cut it into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai.1 Why [the oven of] ‘Aknai? — Said Rab Judah in Samuel's name: [It means] that they encompassed it with arguments2 as a snake, and proved it unclean. It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument ,3 but they did not accept them. Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’ Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. ‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’ Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — ‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined. Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?’ Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’ Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: ‘Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’ But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’ It was said: On that day all objects which R. Eliezer had declared clean were brought and burnt in fire.7 Then they took a vote and excommunicated him.

The "rabbis" interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"

After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b above)

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

CoooCaw · Oct 2, 2013

Originally Posted by CoooCaw
it amazed me when Zone used her twisted logic to concludethat I was antisemitic;
And you haven't substantiated your charge ofantisemitism against me, you merely changed the subject.
How many times do I need to say it: posting thoseimages was an anti-Semitic act – as you were seeking to discredit Israel?
Originally Posted byCoooCaw
I can understand you two wanting to spread such propagandaas a debating strategy but it is always a mistake to start believing your ownlies
CoooCaw, you're ten years older than me and writinglike a high school kid. Don't you care enough about Jewish people to actuallyadopt some basic adult skills in your writing style? I think the Jewish peopleof the world deserve better.
Ad Hominem – you are not actually responding to thepoint then.

Originally Posted byCoooCaw
What you two MISrepresent as dispensationalism is simply apaper tiger
I don't know about Zone, I'm actually interested inwhat you "MISrepresent" as Christianity and "MISrepresent"as Judaism--starting with the title of this thread which is not about "mylocal Jew".
Again you are NOT responding to the point – you aremaking 2 assertions about me:
In what way am I MISrepresenting Christianity?
In what way am I MISrepresenting Judaism?
- Provide evidence!
Why usedeception if you want us to understand dispensationalism?
You accuse me of deception – well one of us, itappears, is being deceptive.
My motive for this thread was not to promotedispensationalism but it is an inevitable result of taking a sound doctrinalposition.
That's what I know so far--dispensationalists usedeception.
All snipers take pot shots and do not exposethemselves to examination.
Given that you are not a Dispensationalist; what AREyou?

Originally Posted byCoooCaw
You should take a close look at your own AMill position andsee where that LOGICALLY leads
Um, what's an "AMill position"?
If you are anti Biblical Dispensationalism you aremost likely Amillennial but if you are a sniper then you probably do not have aproperly developed theology: What IS your position on eschatology??
Originally Posted byCoooCaw
Jews all over the world are coming to realise that if theyhave ANY friends in the world, it is the Bible Believing Christians as opposedto the established denominations; and certainly not papists or those who arebogged down in the half baked, unfinished revolution that is Reformed theology.
I already specified that if you want to be takenseriously that you should call them Jewish people, not Jews.
I will decide what terms I choose to use; I willcertainly not submit to you as the PC thought police.
Originally Posted byPraus
This is 2013 and word "Jew" is generallyconsidered a slur.
Acceptable: Jewish person, Jewish people, Hebrewperson, Hebrew people
Not acceptable: Jew
I find it acceptable and is this where I get to say Ihave lots of friends who are Jews?
I'm guessing that by continuing--in your slurring, inyour misrepresentation of their "friends in the world",
and in your objectification of them for you owntheological fantasy (What does thiseven mean??)
--that you don't actually know any Jewish people--noteven one(See above).

BradC · Oct 2, 2013

Elin said:

When is the last time that you ministered the gospel of Christ to a Jew, in the love of God and with grace in your heart? The gospel is not telling people they ought to repent, the gospel is pointing people to the cross and telling them to believe upon Christ. When they believe that will be repentance. The Jews are a stubborn and blinded lot and are enemies of the gospel of Christ, but are never the less God's people. For some of you to just hear that you are repulses inwardly and that is an indicator of what is in your heart. Do you have less favor toward the Jews than you do the Gentiles who are also a disobedient lot? You should thank God for giving you mercy to be saved through Israel's unbelief so that you could show them that same mercy you received from God. You should make every effort in the will of God to minister to the Jews as you do the Gentiles for all are in unbelief that God might have mercy on all. They are God's people, he has not forsaken them and they are the apple of his eye whether you believe that or like it it or not. Love your neighbor as yourself and thereby fulfill the law of love.

svedbygrace · Oct 2, 2013

Does the local jew support the Gospel of Christ ?

BradC · Oct 2, 2013

svedbygrace said:

Most do not and all the more reason to intercede for them that God would remove the blindness that is over their heart, just like he did for Paul on the road to Damascus and with many others who heard the gospel. What makes you and others so sure that the Jews have heard the gospel from a Spirit filled believer that has no animosity toward them?

JaumeJ · Oct 2, 2013

You will have to first share it with him, then get back to me and let me know. I do know many people who claim to believe Yeshua do not support His message.

svedbygrace said:

svedbygrace · Oct 2, 2013

brad

So that should only be done for ethnic jews ? What about gentiles who need blindness of heart removed ? Are thy less important than ethnic jews ?

svedbygrace · Oct 2, 2013

jau

I do, if they read my posts on what the accomplishments of Christ's Death.

svedbygrace · Oct 2, 2013

BradC said:

ethnic jews are no more God's People than any other ethnicity that Christ died for. Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Thats the fulfillment of Ex 19:6

And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

CoooCaw · Oct 2, 2013

svedbygrace said:

about 10% jews recognise Jesus as messiah

for gentiles, worldwide, the % is lower

RedTent · Oct 2, 2013

Bryancampbell said:

I think following the history of the Jews is an interesting study! I have friends who spent several months helping with the many Jews arriving in Jerusalem. They said none that they knew of had any idea it was God's plan they return. Most did not include God in their life.

I don't think any of this is anything for us to judge, our place is only to follow and trust in our Lord. If you and I had the right to decide about all of this we would simply pronounce that all Jews would accept Jesus as Messiah, and make Him the center of their lives. Even God gives them a choice, and it is God who decides how our world will operate as a result of those decisions.

I also find it interesting to follow the practice of "Judaism" as todays church looks at it. Constantine used these practices to declare Christianity a brand new religion and sever it from "Judaism". Before Christ, many Jews looked at the sacrificial system in the very same way the pagans looked at such as sacrificing babies, it was to appease God. In Isaiah it tells how God said He hated that kind of sacrifice. You are saying that it is dangerous to follow Jews teachings, yet it was God that suggested those practices as ways to keep His laws in our lives every minute. It was man who decided the practice was important, the laws weren't.

Jesusismyrock · Oct 2, 2013

Careful, there are two types of Jews.
Those from the tribe of Juda and those who follow Judaism.
there are many christian Jews which people fail to see. What I mean is, you can be Jewish in background and Chritian in belief.

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