Are you saying that Christ Is on Earth before Ezekiel 38 War?
Yep. The nations will not submit immediately to Christ's rule, one only has to read Zech 14 to see this...
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
The nations will fight against Him...
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Zec 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
Now read on...
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Why does Egypt have to be punished by drought and other plagues for not keeping the Feast? This is after Christ's return, yet they balk at obeying and have to be corrected with drought and plagues. People do not go up to Jerusalem to keep the Feast today, yet when they do, some nations will have to be goaded into it.
The above did not shows its the Millenial setting, It only shows that those who dwell in the land are at rest and safe...Now when does this occur...simply read the verse before (in THE LATTER YEARS)
Are you telling me that Israel lives like this today?
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
you ever here of the IDF?
"National military service is mandatory for all Israeli citizens over the age of 18" - Wikipedia
Show me the unwalled cities and the people living in peace and safety today. Ever hear of the six day war and the Yom Kippur war?
Eze 38:8 After manydays thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the landthat is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people,against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it isbrought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
Now here are the conditions above before they dwell safely;
1. The land that is BROUGHT BACK from the Sword
2. Gathered out of Many people/ Brought forth out of the nations
3. Israel which have been always waste.
Israel today is not waste, in fact there are recent report that the those who live in Israel today are the happiest people on earth.
However, Before the establishment of the Nation of Israel in 1948...The Land was said to have been in waste/desolation a "wasteland".
And as a fulfilment of Eze 36
Eze 36:10 And I willmultiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the citiesshall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:
Eze 36:24 For I willtake you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and willbring you into your own land.
Eze 36:35 And theyshall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; andthe waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
What was the Gathering on 1948?
The question when was the first gathering?
and when was the second time they were scattered?
The second exodus has not occurred, the modern day Assyrians are those who will take Israel into national slavery...
Isa 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
Isa 10:6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Isa 10:7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Israel has not been taken by the North country, yet.
I hope you have notice that verse 1 shows that a Branch shall grow....When did the branch grow?
vs. 2, the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him...When was this fulfilled?
Luk 4:18 The Spiritof the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to thepoor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to thecaptives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that arebruised, 19. To preach the acceptableyear of the Lord 20 And he closed thebook, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of allthem that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day isthis scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Go back and read the quote from Isaiah...
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
Notice that Christ stopped the quote right here? The rest is future and is yet to be fulfilled...
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
The pharse "the day of vengeance of our God" refers to the one time in all of history know as the Great Tribulation and Day of the Lord.
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
This happening in Israel today? Didn't think so.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
The Gentiles are dedicated to pushing Israel into the sea today. This is for a future time.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Using your same Logic, This scriptures was fulfilled long ago.
Moreover look at verse 9...They shall not HURT OR DESTROY in ALL MY HOLY MOUNTAIN...
If Christ is reigning before Eze 38 war, would it not Hurt/Or destroy particularly the mountains of Israel?
As Christ subdues the nations they will come under His rule, but they will not come immediately.
Is it possible though that the verses 1:10 show two stages: the first stage: The Branch (the root of Jesse, which the gentiles will seek) first coming and the second stage: the Branch kingdom.
The Branch refers to Christ at His second coming...
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
We don't see even the nature of wild animals changed today. We don't see lions eating straw or for it to be safe for a child to put his hand in the cobra's den today.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
How about it? Is Egypt a Christian nation today?
Isa 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
Isa 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Isa 19:21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
Isa 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
Same reference as Zech 14.
How about today, is this alliance in force?
Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
Do you see Israel, Egypt and Germany allied as one?
Do you see them serving God as one?
Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
and from verse 11-16.. Describing the 2nd Gathering of the children of Israel.
For if we refer to verse 1 and 2, the fulfilment of the scriptures was during first century. And if we refer to verse 9, No war in Israel during his kingdom.
Could the prophecy be referring to the Babylonian Empire which was also from the north.
When Ezekiel wrote, they were already in captivity. He was writing of a future time, if not, then all he did was record past history.
Jer 16:9 For thussaith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease outof this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voiceof gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
Note that the prophecy will occur IN YOUR EYES AND IN YOUR DAYS... (the eyes and days of the audiences at that time of prophecy)
This si a different prophecy from a different writer. You are confusing prophecies here.
There are differences between Eze 38 war vs. Rev Gog-Magog war. That is why the thread compared only to Eze 38 War.
Based from the verse you gave which probably refer to the Millennial Kingdom;
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
That they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my Holy mountain, Eze 38 could not fall within the Millennial Kingdom.
Is it possible that Eze 38 is before the Establishment of the Millennial Kingdom, thereby before Christ Set up his Kingdom and thereby Before His return?
Do you think that these peoples will fall down and submit immediately? They wont' submit under some of the most horrible plagues ever dished out during the Day of the Lord...
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat,
and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they
repented not to give him glory.
Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
So what is the result of the sixth plague?
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Now the seventh plague...
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
So you believe that men will receive Christ as their Deliverer and Saviour when He returns?
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Humanity will not immediately surrender to Christ, in some cases (Ezek 38 for one) they will have to be forced to by punishment. The result of not hurting or destroying in the Kingdom will be the end result of Christ forcing the nations to obey.
God will use the alliance of Israel, Egypt and Germany to discipline other nations to obedience...
Isa 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Notably Turkey and Jordan here.