Israel furious at UN report detailing torture of Palestinian children

[AgeofKnowledge]

Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters

Human rights activists say approved bill, making girls vulnerable to the ruling from age 13, 'legalizes pedophilia'.

Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters | World news | theguardian.com

 

[TheAristocat]

FIND OUT THE TRUTH.
or just say...it's hard to know.

I agree with Resurrection33. Palestinians will train their children to get up in the faces of Israeli soldiers and mock and jeer them for extended periods of time (sometimes even make physical contact) in hopes that one of them will snap and hit a child. I've seen a video of it in practice. If a soldier hits the child then they can get photos of it and report it as abuse by the Israeli military. If it looks like an Israeli soldier is about to strike a child but doesn't or make an aggressive move toward them, then they can get photos of it. They're very antagonistic, and there's a lot of hate surrounding the whole situation that I'd just rather not deal with. Because one person will say the Israelis are wrong and another will say the Palestinians are wrong. And they're so dogmatic about it. It really makes me wonder what they've been feeding themselves. How much sugar do you take with your meth? Would you like one lump or two? I feel like their breakfast consists of two sausage links, whole wheat toast and psychotropic drugs.

Back before Israel had reformed as a state again the whole area of Israel and Trans-Jordan was known as Palestine. Then Jordan became a country. So technically Jordan is a Palestinian nation. But then the definition of Palestine changed yet again. And now today it includes lands of the tiny Jewish state. And they're screaming for another separate Palestinian nation because they don't want to leave their ancestral homes and move to a neighboring state. And the Jews fear that if the balance of power in their nation shifts to non-Jews that they will yet again be living in a Gentile state that is antagonistic toward the Jews. During one of the wars, Palestinian refugees in Jordan tried to overthrow the government there. A civil war resulted. It was called Black September. No one - whether Arab or Jew - wants these people, because their past is neither the brightest nor are their motives blameless.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Drett]

I agree with Resurrection33. Palestinians will train their children to get up in the faces of Israeli soldiers and mock and jeer them for extended periods of time (sometimes even make physical contact) in hopes that one of them will snap and hit a child. I've seen a video of it in practice. If a soldier hits the child then they can get photos of it and report it as abuse by the Israeli military. If it looks like an Israeli soldier is about to strike a child but doesn't or make an aggressive move toward them, then they can get photos of it. They're very antagonistic, and there's a lot of hate surrounding the whole situation that I'd just rather not deal with. Because one person will say the Israelis are wrong and another will say the Palestinians are wrong. And they're so dogmatic about it. It really makes me wonder what they've been feeding themselves. How much sugar do you take with your meth? Would you like one lump or two? I feel like their breakfast consists of two sausage links, whole wheat toast and psychotropic drugs.

Back before Israel had reformed as a state again the whole area of Israel and Trans-Jordan was known as Palestine. Then Jordan became a country. So technically Jordan is a Palestinian nation. But then the definition of Palestine changed yet again. And now today it includes lands of the tiny Jewish state. And they're screaming for another separate Palestinian nation because they don't want to leave their ancestral homes and move to a neighboring state. And the Jews fear that if the balance of power in their nation shifts to non-Jews that they will yet again be living in a Gentile state that is antagonistic toward the Jews. During one of the wars, Palestinian refugees in Jordan tried to overthrow the government there. A civil war resulted. It was called Black September. No one - whether Arab or Jew - wants these people, because their past is neither the brightest nor are their motives blameless.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So a soldiers gets rattled if a child is in their face. They don't make soldier like they used to I guess.

I am not sure how a five year old could get into anyones face. Maybe they need to kneel down.

Israel detains 5-year-old Palestinian boy - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

This child was rattled because he came home from school to find his house being torn down.




I don't think you need to train this boy to hate the IDF.

A Jewish publication states that children are actually ambushed by IDF. They arrest all children on the street.

Twenty-seven Palestinian children were ambushed and arrested by Israel Defense Forces soldiers in Hebron on March 20. Eighteen of them were less than 12 years old, the minimum age at which they can legally be held responsible for a crime.
This large-scale roundup was arbitrary. Soldiers arrested every child they saw on the street − including first- and second-graders no older than 7 or 8 − on suspicion of throwing stones at roadblock 160, which separates Palestinians from settlers.

The IDF must stop arresting children - Opinion Israel News | Haaretz

Yeah it is all lies I guess.

 

[SonInMe]

Its the UN.

Anyone care to put up Israel's response?

Unless we subscribe we cannot even see the entire story.

huh.

one quote I found interesting....

“What the UN forgot to mention today is that the vice-chair of the committee accusing Israel of violating children’s rights works for the Saudi government and has a despicable record of apologetics for her country’s misogyny,” he added.

Israel slams UN report on Palestinian minor torture | JPost | Israel News

an interesting article on what these innocent youths are doing...

Israel does not mistreat detained Palestinian children | Amir Ofek | Comment is free | The Guardian

After 9 pages of google search, only one article in Israel's defence. Most of the articles against Israel are..

blatant hearsay without foundation or proof.

I don't usually research these things and just chalk it up to either bad judgement or ignorance but I think this is neither.

Its bigotry on display. Interesting for a christian site..

eh??

 

[Drett]

Its the UN.

Anyone care to put up Israel's response?

Unless we subscribe we cannot even see the entire story.

huh.

one quote I found interesting....

“What the UN forgot to mention today is that the vice-chair of the committee accusing Israel of violating children’s rights works for the Saudi government and has a despicable record of apologetics for her country’s misogyny,” he added.

Israel slams UN report on Palestinian minor torture | JPost | Israel News

an interesting article on what these innocent youths are doing...

Israel does not mistreat detained Palestinian children | Amir Ofek | Comment is free | The Guardian

After 9 pages of google search, only one article in Israel's defence. Most of the articles against Israel are..

blatant hearsay without foundation or proof.

I don't usually research these things and just chalk it up to either bad judgement or ignorance but I think this is neither.

Its bigotry on display. Interesting for a christian site..

eh??

If it is hearsay then it would be easy for Israel to answer the allegations. Yes when you can't answer the allegation made you do the next best thing. Go after the people on the committee.

So you think highlighting the illegal arrest of children to be bigotry ?

 

[TheAristocat]

This large-scale roundup was arbitrary. Soldiers arrested every child they saw on the street − including first- and second-graders no older than 7 or 8 − on suspicion of throwing stones at roadblock 160, which separates Palestinians from settlers.

How is it arbitrary and then suddenly has a reason? This statement is self-contradictory. At any rate, the Israeli military is trained to find this type of behavior from the children as humorous and to like it. But there is a lot of hate and bias involved here which is why I dislike getting involved. I just don't understand why some are so adamant in their support of the Palestinians when they are ready to throw their children in harm's way for a cause that will have a questionable outcome. It doesn't seem like a rational stance. At least be unbiased.

There are two different ways this can go down. One is a one-state solution and the other is a two-state solution. Jews fear a one-state solution, since giving non-Jews full representation would undermine a Jewish state and immerse them in a Gentile state that is clearly antisemitic and antagonistic to the Jews. The Hollocaust anyone? The whole purpose of a Jewish state was to solve the Jewish problem. So a one-state solution will not work until hate, religious differences and antisemitism are all eliminated in the region. Good luck with that.

Next is a two-state solution. I think this is the best bet for the secularly minded. But to the religiously minded it is a division of the Jewish lands that God gave Israel, and God will not hold those guiltless who do this. It would also leave regions of Israel more vulnerable to attack and less able to defend itself. But if either of these choices are to be chosen I would choose the two-state solution with a division of Jerusalem and the temple mount going to the possession of the Jews (or at least half of it). My guess, though, is that you'd still have religious extremists killing others over it. This is why a solution has yet to be found. Any compromise is going to be viewed as unfair to either party, and there are religious extremists that would cause further blood shed even if a completely fair and unbiased compromise were reached. But a fair compromise in my opinion would not have been to redefine the term "Palestinian" and then claim that an additional Palestinian state - other than Jordan - should be given to Palestinians again.

 

[Drett]

I used to get depressed at the indifference people had to the suffering of others. The word games people play or the red herrings or straw men. I just remember now on the day of judgement all injustice will be corrected. I am happy to wait for that. The punishment will be far greater than anything dished out on this world.

 

[TheAristocat]

I used to get depressed at the indifference people had to the suffering of others. The word games people play or the red herrings or straw men. I just remember now on the day of judgement all injustice will be corrected. I am happy to wait for that. The punishment will be far greater than anything dished out on this world.

I don't think anyone's indifferent to others' suffering. It's just surprising the amount of bias, misinformation and hate that is directed against Israel that we feel the need to present the other side of the coin in an effort to correct this bias. But what that usually ends up telling pro-Palestinians is that we don't care about the Palestinians or human rights. I think that's a little naive. It's just that for better or worse this is the situation. No one has come up with a compromise for a very good reason. No one can think up a compromise that would ensure the safety of the Jewish people while permitting Palestinians equal representation in their current geographic location. And as sad as it is that many Palestinians do not have equal representation and would have to leave their homes to keep from undermining the security of a Jewish state, I still think that anti-genocidal measures in this region of antisemitism take precedence.

I'm curious what judgment you speak of though, because your profile lists you as not Christian.

 

[Drett]

I don't think anyone's indifferent to others' suffering. It's just surprising the amount of bias, misinformation and hate that is directed against Israel that we feel the need to present the other side of the coin in an effort to correct this bias. But what that usually ends up telling pro-Palestinians is that we don't care about the Palestinians or human rights. I think that's a little naive. It's just that for better or worse this is the situation. No one has come up with a compromise for a very good reason. No one can think up a compromise that would ensure the safety of the Jewish people while permitting Palestinians equal representation in their current geographic location. And as sad as it is that many Palestinians do not have equal representation and would have to leave their homes to keep from undermining the security of a Jewish state, I still think that anti-genocidal measures in this region of antisemitism take precedence.

I'm curious what judgment you speak of though, because your profile lists you as not Christian.

Thanks for your clarification.

You do not need to be a Christian to believe that God will hold all to account for their actions at the end of time. The only thing that will save people will be the grace of God.

 

[TheAristocat]

Thanks for your clarification.

You do not need to be a Christian to believe that God will hold all to account for their actions at the end of time. The only thing that will save people will be the grace of God.

Hey, Drett. Tried to send you a pm, but you won't receive them. You do not call yourself a Christian I understand. But you believe in the Bible, in judgment and in God's grace. Would it offend you if I asked for clarification? I'm honestly confused. lol

 

[SonInMe]

Did ya read the article I gave that outlined what these innocent little babies were doing?

There are two victims in the Israeli/palistinian problem.

The Israelis who are being terrorized and keeping genocide at bay.

The Palistinians, who were forced from their traditional stomping grounds, into Israel by their loving arab neighbors to cause conflict. A people used by Yasar Arafat to line his pockets, for which he was given a Nobel Peace Prize. A people used by every anti-semite to hate Israel even more.

Israel has addressed these issues. It is illegal to torture children in Israel. The allegations, by the UN, an organization about as slanted against Israel as can get, these allegations are totally hearsay by interviews to those that have been arrested...ya know the ones still alive who did not blow themselves up. The ones who laugh when they KILL Israeli babies ( read the article I posted )

I know this will fall on blind eyes and deaf ears but when you research an event, you research both sides...

just a fyi.

 

[TheAristocat]

Did ya read the article I gave that outlined what these innocent little babies were doing?

There are two victims in the Israeli/palistinian problem.

The Israelis who are being terrorized and keeping genocide at bay.

The Palistinians, who were forced from their traditional stomping grounds, into Israel by their loving arab neighbors to cause conflict. A people used by Yasar Arafat to line his pockets, for which he was given a Nobel Peace Prize. A people used by every anti-semite to hate Israel even more.

Israel has addressed these issues. It is illegal to torture children in Israel. The allegations, by the UN, an organization about as slanted against Israel as can get, these allegations are totally hearsay by interviews to those that have been arrested...ya know the ones still alive who did not blow themselves up. The ones who laugh when they KILL Israeli babies ( read the article I posted )

I know this will fall on blind eyes and deaf ears but when you research an event, you research both sides...

just a fyi.

Yeah, I read it. No one's going to pay attention to it though. There's too much liberal bias in the media that it's swallowed by all of the other claims.

 

[Drett]

Did ya read the article I gave that outlined what these innocent little babies were doing?

There are two victims in the Israeli/palistinian problem.

The Israelis who are being terrorized and keeping genocide at bay.

The Palistinians, who were forced from their traditional stomping grounds, into Israel by their loving arab neighbors to cause conflict. A people used by Yasar Arafat to line his pockets, for which he was given a Nobel Peace Prize. A people used by every anti-semite to hate Israel even more.

Israel has addressed these issues. It is illegal to torture children in Israel. The allegations, by the UN, an organization about as slanted against Israel as can get, these allegations are totally hearsay by interviews to those that have been arrested...ya know the ones still alive who did not blow themselves up. The ones who laugh when they KILL Israeli babies ( read the article I posted )

I know this will fall on blind eyes and deaf ears but when you research an event, you research both sides...

just a fyi.

I acknowledge things are happening both ways SIM.The main difference is anyone that does anything against Israel will be held to account for their crime. They already have a voice. The Palestinians do not.

 

[Praus]

Its bigotry on display. Interesting for a christian site..

Matt 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Just look at two of the biggest voting blocks for democrats...yep, blacks and hispanics.

So...how's that democrat party doin' ya?

 

[Praus]

No one - whether Arab or Jew - wants these people, because their past is neither the brightest nor are their motives blameless.

"We are always crying ... asking God: 'What have we done?'"


"The Stones Cry Out: The Story of The Palestinian Christians"
A film by: Yasmine Perni (English with Arabic subtitles)


[video=youtube;9YyuujIgIZE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyuujIgIZE[/video]

 

[Praus]

I used to get depressed at the indifference people had to the suffering of others.

Drett, me too, that's why I'm alcoholic today--depression is a painful path.

His Blood literally cures my depression, and the more I study the Bible the happier I get.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Real education will always be painful:

Eccl 1:18 For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Sigh:

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

The word games people play or the red herrings or straw men.

They love their word games (the ESV is more edifying than the KJV here)

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ...

I just remember now on the day of judgement all injustice will be corrected. I am happy to wait for that. The punishment will be far greater than anything dished out on this world.

That's for God:

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

The Christian continues:

2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

[Praus]

There are two victims in the Israeli/palistinian problem.

The Palistinians, who

I know this will fall on blind eyes and deaf ears but when you research an event, you research both sides...

It's unfortunate that all of that high-powered "research" still doesn't include spelling Palestinian correctly.


Today's Yiddish Word of the Day: kibitz

Etymology: From Yiddish קיבעצן (kibitsn), from Hebrew קבץ, influenced by German kiebitzen.
Verb: kibitz (third-person singular simple present kibitzes, present participle kibitzing, simple past and past participle kibitzed)

(1) To chat; to gossip; to make small talk or idle chatter.
(2) To give unsolicited or unwanted advice or make unhelpful or idle comments, especially to someone playing a game.



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[doulos]

Hey, Drett. Tried to send you a pm, but you won't receive them. You do not call yourself a Christian I understand. But you believe in the Bible, in judgment and in God's grace. Would it offend you if I asked for clarification? I'm honestly confused. lol

Drett is a muslim and his agenda is clear. He prefers to follow the antichrist teachings of a 6th century, illiterate, lying, theiving, murdering, child doing (per islam's own writngs) false prophet mohammad. Like all muslims he is willing to sacrifice truth to promote the false prophet mohammads agend of conquering the world by the sword. Can we really trust any one who follows the teaching of a false prophet that requires all of his followers to be antichrists (by declaring God has no Son) and expects them to wage jihad against all nonmuslims? Knowing this it is not difficult to understand why the only news articles he puts up condemn those who stand against islam!

 

[SonInMe]

Matt 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Since even the liberals say blacks and hispanics are doing poorly in this country, how has voting for democrats helped them? I will spell it out for you...it hasn't. Its not bigotry to state voting statistics. Its not bigotry to say the democrat party has not helped those who vote for them..so...

how in the world does my above statement make me a hypocrit or bigot?

I know, by disagreeing with liberalism...the same liberalism that cannot survive without bigotry.

The same ideology that supports abortion...which targets minority women for abortion, google Margerette Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood.

So please enlighten me, when I expose the lies of the democrat party and liberalsim and how they negatively affect minorities...how that is bigotry?

 

[Praus]

Since even the liberals say blacks and hispanics are doing poorly in this country, how has voting for democrats helped them? I will spell it out for you...it hasn't. Its not bigotry to state voting statistics. Its not bigotry to say the democrat party has not helped those who vote for them..so...

how in the world does my above statement make me a hypocrit or bigot?

I know, by disagreeing with liberalism...the same liberalism that cannot survive without bigotry.

The same ideology that supports abortion...which targets minority women for abortion, google Margerette Sanger, founder of Planned parenthood.

So please enlighten me, when I expose the lies of the democrat party and liberalsim and how they negatively affect minorities...how that is bigotry?

We're exposing the some of the brutality of the democratically-elected regime currently reigning in Israel--voting is involved, and how they negatively affect everyone involved. How is that bigotry?

I don't usually research these things and just chalk it up to either bad judgement or ignorance but I think this is neither.

Its bigotry on display. Interesting for a christian site..

eh??