Thank you. I much prefer that to you riding me like I'm your horse lolol.
giddyup.
can dish it out but not take it Gumby
mkay.
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giddyup.
can dish it out but not take it Gumby
mkay.
If Tommy repented then we should give him some slack. I just can't find the link where he did repent.
Ok I am not going to chase you anymore to backup what you state. I'll just leave you to your bitterness. Probably better to do what Zone does and just ignore you.
giddyup.
can dish it out but not take it Gumby
mkay.
That's the thing about cyber bullies. They are just like any other bully.
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Oh I can take it. I have two guns, one for each of ya. 
[video=youtube_share;_u5A0H6PkqE]http://youtu.be/_u5A0H6PkqE[/video]
[video=youtube_share;_u5A0H6PkqE]http://youtu.be/_u5A0H6PkqE[/video]
giddyup.
can dish it out but not take it Gumby
mkay.
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No bitterness here. I'm laughing at your hypocrisy. You're crying about people throwing stones at you even as you're chucking them as fast as you possibly can at Tommy, me, and everyone else who names the name of Christ and dares to voice an opinion that refutes your own.
Tommy's repented numerous times in interviews for his youthful indiscretions as he's been braced by liberal interviewers. It's not my fault you're uninformed. Obviously, he has no need to repent for his Christianity nor patriotism for his nation.
That weight falls on you. You need to repent of all the slander/libel you've been engaging in and take some responsibility over the seditious political choices you've made that have hurt your country.
Denial is more than a river in Egypt and you're swimming in it of your own accord.
Tommy's repented numerous times in interviews for his youthful indiscretions as he's been braced by liberal interviewers. It's not my fault you're uninformed. Obviously, he has no need to repent for his Christianity nor patriotism for his nation.
That weight falls on you. You need to repent of all the slander/libel you've been engaging in and take some responsibility over the seditious political choices you've made that have hurt your country.
Denial is more than a river in Egypt and you're swimming in it of your own accord.
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And just for the record, I am enjoying this Western theme .
[video=youtube_share;IOlthl2Su04]http://youtu.be/IOlthl2Su04[/video]
.[video=youtube_share;IOlthl2Su04]http://youtu.be/IOlthl2Su04[/video]
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On and on and on it goes. Here's another slice. This slice is from a pedophilia pie in the ever growing UK Islamic bakery.
'18 UK mosques agree to perform underage marriages':
[video=youtube_share;LcCANBbZCio]http://youtu.be/LcCANBbZCio[/video]
'18 UK mosques agree to perform underage marriages':
[video=youtube_share;LcCANBbZCio]http://youtu.be/LcCANBbZCio[/video]
You stated Tommy repented publicly. Please provide the link to this public repentance.
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Are you Muslim bashing? I ask because I don't see how this video has anything to do with the Kenyan attacks.
Anyway, 'though there sure is plenty I disagree with in the Muslim faith, as a group, I think we Westerners could learn from more than we could teach the Muslims about morality. While they may allow their girls to marry at 14, in most Western countries, children are taught and encouraged in public funded schools to practice fornication at this age or earlier. Does God impose an age at which women can marry, or does He speak against sexual immorality and fornication irregardless of age? Which do you suppose is worse in His eyes?
And if we're talking about religions, how about the Talmudists who hold that a baby girl can be married when she is but 3 years old? I don't see you preaching against Jews much, but this one is disgusting, compared to a Muslim girl who can marry at 14.
I'm not saying I agree with the Muslim traditions, but I find it hypocritical that you focus on these and not the other similar or worse evils in our own society, which you seem to turn a blind eye to.
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LOLOL! !
AgeofKnowledge, this picture is far more handsome than your profile pic.
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Threads sometimes derail. They usually find their way home eventually. No worries.
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Tommy Robinson, his co-founder of the EDL, and his close supporters just left the EDL they created because they want to counter radical Islam in the UK in a Christian way and the EDL was attracting some extremist elements that they were not going to accept.
Tommy Robinson Stands Down From The EDL
[video=youtube_share;CCnjehLz8z8]http://youtu.be/CCnjehLz8z8[/video]
Tommy and his close supporters have aligned themselves with a moderate Muslim group dedicated to countering radical Islam.
It's obvious that Tommy has grown up over the past couple of years and matured in his Christian worldview. The guy is not a radical, a racist, a hater, an extremist, etc... NO, just the opposite.
Say you're sorry Drett. Say you're sorry for all reams of ad hominem, slander, libel, etc... you engaged in regarding Tommy Robinson and sorry to all fellow Brits for being one of those voters who created this radical Islamic mess in the middle of your country and submitting the next generation of young indigenous Brits to possibly have to fight a civil war to secure their own country at some point in the future.
Tommy Robinson Stands Down From The EDL
[video=youtube_share;CCnjehLz8z8]http://youtu.be/CCnjehLz8z8[/video]
Tommy and his close supporters have aligned themselves with a moderate Muslim group dedicated to countering radical Islam.
It's obvious that Tommy has grown up over the past couple of years and matured in his Christian worldview. The guy is not a radical, a racist, a hater, an extremist, etc... NO, just the opposite.
Say you're sorry Drett. Say you're sorry for all reams of ad hominem, slander, libel, etc... you engaged in regarding Tommy Robinson and sorry to all fellow Brits for being one of those voters who created this radical Islamic mess in the middle of your country and submitting the next generation of young indigenous Brits to possibly have to fight a civil war to secure their own country at some point in the future.
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Their website is down. The EDL is finished. www.englishdefenceleague.org
It was a learning experience for young patriotic Brits who are maturing and looking to combat the radical Islamic problem created by Labour and liberals in the UK in a moral responsible manner.
It was a learning experience for young patriotic Brits who are maturing and looking to combat the radical Islamic problem created by Labour and liberals in the UK in a moral responsible manner.
is this a joke, AoK?
are you actually supporting these fascist/anarchists (EDL)?
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I see their website is back up and they are stating the co-founders have left the organization. When the site went down, I thought Tommy had successfully disbanded the EDL before leaving. Alas, not true.
Tommy, his co-founder, and their closest supporters are now working with a moderate Muslim group in the UK to fight the real problem of radical Islam.
I support Tommy and the direction he's taking as he's grown. I don't like extremist elements anymore than he does. Those elements include the entire Golden Dawn party, elements within the EDL, and I would say ALL of Islam because the epistemology of Islam is violent and radical.
So I think Tommy is attempting to do the undoable in seeking a moderate Islam; however, I do support him as a person and what he's trying to do.
Tommy, his co-founder, and their closest supporters are now working with a moderate Muslim group in the UK to fight the real problem of radical Islam.
I support Tommy and the direction he's taking as he's grown. I don't like extremist elements anymore than he does. Those elements include the entire Golden Dawn party, elements within the EDL, and I would say ALL of Islam because the epistemology of Islam is violent and radical.
So I think Tommy is attempting to do the undoable in seeking a moderate Islam; however, I do support him as a person and what he's trying to do.
I have shown through history that this statement is ignorant. The Muslims allowing the Jews back into Jerusalem after liberating it from oppression. Allowing the Jewish people to again live freely in Jerusalem after the 2nd Crusade. The 1st Crusade every man woman and child, Jewish or Muslim was butchered. Providing a safe haven for Jewish people that were being converted to Christianity by the sword in Spain. The Jewish people in Iran that refuse to be paid out to leave Iran.
I ask again. Please provide proof for your statement.
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No you haven't. The Muslims murdered 100 million Hindus and Buddhists, murdered and enslaved large numbers of Christians and Jews, practiced systemic enslavement worldwide in every area they conquered using the sword, put the areas under their control into oppressive sharia, etc... All you've done is reveal how deceived and ignorant you are.
Let me begin your enlightenment with a few examples:
In the Massacre of Banu Quraiza, Muhammad order the beheading of 600 to 900 adult men (determined by pubic-hair growth) and he himself chopped off a few heads. He enslaved all the women and children of the Jewish tribe. The women were kept as sex-slaves with Muhammad himself taking a beautiful Jewish woman as his own sex-slave and sold the rest of the captives into slavery. He also looted the property of the murdered Jews and took possession of all their wealth and properties. Allah, like a godfather and mafia chieftain of the Muhammad's criminal gang, rejoiced this barbarous and heinous acts of slaughtering the Jews and enslavement of their women and children by creating 5 teachings in the Koran as the Eternal Laws of God.
At the Massacre of Khaybar, Muhammad brutally tortured a Jewish chieftain for extracting information about where he had hidden his treasures. When the treasure was uncovered, the chieftain was beheaded. This chieftain was the husband of the most beautiful Jewish woman of Khaybar, the 17-year-old Safiyaah. Safiyaah's family members had been annihilated by Muhammad at the Banu Qurayza massacre. Now having beheaded her husband, the Prophet took Safiyah as his sex-slave and copulated on the same night.
In the massacre of the Jewish Settlement of Bani Mustaliq, Muhammad captured their women and took twenty-year-old Jewish girl, Juwayriya as his sex-slave.
They, of course, took all their valuables afterwards. Allah celebrates this slaughter and enslavement of the Jews in the Koran:
Quran-33:25- “Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle. Allah is, indeed, Strong and Mighty.”
Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”
Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews]
Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”
Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)
Etc... etc... etc...
The verses: 33:25-27 were revealed to describe Banu Qurayza incident and clearly talking about the unbelievers (Quresh pagans, and their allies Jews of Banu Quraiza). Specifically, verse-33:27 talks of by the judgement of Sa’d ibn Muaz all the men were slaughtered and women and children enslaved. And Jewish land and property were taken as Booty.
Allah permitted the enslavement and beheading of Jews, so any Muslim familiar with the background of this verse knows that beheading as such has been assimilated into the Quran.
What is so troubling about the verse 33:26 is that Allah (Himself) celebrates the "terror" that He threw into the Jews’ hearts. Indeed, when Abu Lubabah the mediator approached the Jews during negotiations, the women and children were crying. The Prophet Muhammad had already expelled two other Jewish tribes (Qaynuqa and Nadir) from Medina, and the Banu Qurayza Jews begged for the same punishment to them. But the Islam's prophet of "peace and mercy" declined this option.
You might want to read Sahi Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443; Book 38, Number 4390; Book 14, Number 2665; etc...
I could go on for hours about the murder, enslavement, and robbery committed by Muslims on Christians, Jews, pagans, etc... Your ignorance is truly striking. It's almost as if you've never even exposed yourself to history or Muslim literature. I'm assuming that's the case because if you aren't actually ignorant, like you appear, then you're instead an evil deceitful person to sweep the sea of blood under the rug and blather on about some he spared just to oppress and tax.
Let me begin your enlightenment with a few examples:
In the Massacre of Banu Quraiza, Muhammad order the beheading of 600 to 900 adult men (determined by pubic-hair growth) and he himself chopped off a few heads. He enslaved all the women and children of the Jewish tribe. The women were kept as sex-slaves with Muhammad himself taking a beautiful Jewish woman as his own sex-slave and sold the rest of the captives into slavery. He also looted the property of the murdered Jews and took possession of all their wealth and properties. Allah, like a godfather and mafia chieftain of the Muhammad's criminal gang, rejoiced this barbarous and heinous acts of slaughtering the Jews and enslavement of their women and children by creating 5 teachings in the Koran as the Eternal Laws of God.
At the Massacre of Khaybar, Muhammad brutally tortured a Jewish chieftain for extracting information about where he had hidden his treasures. When the treasure was uncovered, the chieftain was beheaded. This chieftain was the husband of the most beautiful Jewish woman of Khaybar, the 17-year-old Safiyaah. Safiyaah's family members had been annihilated by Muhammad at the Banu Qurayza massacre. Now having beheaded her husband, the Prophet took Safiyah as his sex-slave and copulated on the same night.
In the massacre of the Jewish Settlement of Bani Mustaliq, Muhammad captured their women and took twenty-year-old Jewish girl, Juwayriya as his sex-slave.
They, of course, took all their valuables afterwards. Allah celebrates this slaughter and enslavement of the Jews in the Koran:
Quran-33:25- “Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle. Allah is, indeed, Strong and Mighty.”
Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”
Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews]
Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”
Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)
Etc... etc... etc...
The verses: 33:25-27 were revealed to describe Banu Qurayza incident and clearly talking about the unbelievers (Quresh pagans, and their allies Jews of Banu Quraiza). Specifically, verse-33:27 talks of by the judgement of Sa’d ibn Muaz all the men were slaughtered and women and children enslaved. And Jewish land and property were taken as Booty.
Allah permitted the enslavement and beheading of Jews, so any Muslim familiar with the background of this verse knows that beheading as such has been assimilated into the Quran.
What is so troubling about the verse 33:26 is that Allah (Himself) celebrates the "terror" that He threw into the Jews’ hearts. Indeed, when Abu Lubabah the mediator approached the Jews during negotiations, the women and children were crying. The Prophet Muhammad had already expelled two other Jewish tribes (Qaynuqa and Nadir) from Medina, and the Banu Qurayza Jews begged for the same punishment to them. But the Islam's prophet of "peace and mercy" declined this option.
You might want to read Sahi Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443; Book 38, Number 4390; Book 14, Number 2665; etc...
I could go on for hours about the murder, enslavement, and robbery committed by Muslims on Christians, Jews, pagans, etc... Your ignorance is truly striking. It's almost as if you've never even exposed yourself to history or Muslim literature. I'm assuming that's the case because if you aren't actually ignorant, like you appear, then you're instead an evil deceitful person to sweep the sea of blood under the rug and blather on about some he spared just to oppress and tax.
More attacks on my character I see.
Concerning Banu Quraiza
The area of Medinah before the prophet pbuh arrived had a history of bloody civil wars between the different clans of Medina and the Jews.
At Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) insistence, Medina’s pagan, Muslim and Jewish clans signed a pact to protect each other.
Achieving this new social order was difficult. Certain individual pagans and recent Medinan converts to Islam tried to thwart the new arrangement in various ways, and some of the Jewish clans were uneasy with the threatened demise of their old alliances. At least three times in five years, Jewish leaders, uncomfortable with the changing political situation in Medina, went against Muhammad, hoping to restore the tense, sometimes bloody-but predictable-balance of power among the tribes.
The Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa both broke the truce by attempting to kill the prophet. One by throwing a boulder on him and the other by poisoning him.
The danger was great. During this period, the Meccans were actively trying to dislodge Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) militarily, twice marching large armies to Medina. Muhammad was nearly killed in the first engagement, on the plains of Uhud just outside of Medina. In their second and final military push against Medina, now known as the Battle of the Trench, the Meccans recruited allies from northwestern Arabia to join the fight, including the assistance of the two exiled Jewish tribes. In addition, they sent envoys to the largest Jewish tribe still in Medina, the Banu Qurayza, hoping to win their support. The Banu Qurayza’s crucial location on the south side of Medina would allow the Meccans to attack Muhammad from two sides.
The Banu Qurayza were hesitant to join the Meccan alliance, but when a substantial Meccan army arrived, they agreed.
As a siege began, the Banu Qurayza nervously awaited further developments. Learning of their intention to defect and realizing the grave danger this posed, Muhammad initiated diplomatic efforts to keep the Banu Qurayza on his side. Little progress was made. In the third week of the siege, the Banu Qurayza signaled their readiness to act against Muhammad, although they demanded that the Meccans provide them with hostages first, to ensure that they wouldn’t be abandoned to face Muhammad alone. Yet that is exactly what happened. The Meccans, nearing exhaustion themselves, refused to give the Banu Qurayza any hostages. Not long after, cold, heavy rains set in, and the Meccans gave up the fight and marched home, to the horror and dismay of the Banu Qurayza.
The Muslims now commenced a 25-day siege against the Banu Qurazya’s fortress. Finally, both sides agreed to arbitration. A former ally of the Banu Qurayza, an Arab chief named Sa’d ibn Muadh, now a Muslim, was chosen as judge by both sides. The Banu Qurayza chose Sa’d because they thought that a former ally would show leniency. Sa’d, one of the few casualties of battle, would soon die of his wounds.
If the earlier tribal relations had been in force, he would have certainly spared the Banu Qurayza. His fellow chiefs urged him to pardon these former allies, but he refused. In his view, the Banu Qurayza had attacked the new social order and failed to honour their agreement to protect the town. Under the Charter of Medina, Jews had the rights of being judged according to their own scripture (rather than Quran). Saad bi Muad, punishment coincided with this verse of old testament:
When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. (Deuteronomy 20:12)
Muhammad accepted his judgment, and the next day, according to Muslim sources, 700 men of the Banu Qurayza were executed.
Most scholars of this episode agree that neither party acted outside the bounds of normal relations in 7th century Arabia. The new order brought by Muhammad was viewed by many as a threat to the age-old system of tribal alliances, as it certainly proved to be. For the Banu Qurayza, the end of this system seemed to bring with it many risks. At the same time, the Muslims faced the threat of total extermination, and needed to send a message to all those groups in Medina that might try to betray their society in the future. It is doubtful that either party could have behaved differently under the circumstances.
The exiled Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa removed to the prosperous northern oasis of Khaybar, and later pledged political loyalty to Muhammad. Other Jewish clans honoured the pact they had signed and continued to live in peace in Medina long after it became the Muslim capital of Arabia.
My Sources Sirat-un-Nabi Vol 2 by Allama Shibli Naumani
No god but God by Reza Aslan
Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Muhammad and Jews of Medina | PBS
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