Jesus Is His Own Father

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CarrierOfChrist

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Where is Abraham called the "The mighty God, The Everlasting Father"? He is not, there is no comparison, it's ridiculous.

There is no relevence in what you are saying! Is that it? Is that your argument? None of it makes sense what your saying...
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Am I serious? Yes. I said Abraham was called the father of many nations, not the Everlasting Father, or God. I was giving a precedent of Jesus being called a Father when it wasn't meant in a literal term.

I never denied that Jesus was God. I denied that He was "God the Father".

My argument is, when it was said that he would be called Everlasting Father, it didn't mean "God the Father". So, that is my argument against the topic, that states "Jesus Is His Own Father".
 
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CarrierOfChrist said:
Am I serious? Yes. I said Abraham was called the father of many nations, not the Everlasting Father, or God. I was giving a precedent of Jesus being called a Father when it wasn't meant in a literal term.

I never denied that Jesus was God. I denied that He was "God the Father".

My argument is, when it was said that he would be called Everlasting Father, it didn't mean "God the Father". So, that is my argument against the topic, that states "Jesus Is His Own Father".
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But it precedes with "The Mighty God --- The Everlasting Father", so you are now saying there are two "The Mighty God" and two "The Everlasting Father", (note the capital letter, denotes, the supreme Father as opposed to human Abraham 'f' ather) or well 3 according to trinitarians, but my Bibles all say there is only One God and only one Saviour, how many saviours do you think there are?
 
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But it precedes with "The Mighty God --- The Everlasting Father", so you are now saying there are two "The Mighty God" and two "The Everlasting Father", (note the capital letter, denotes, the supreme Father as opposed to human Abraham 'f' ather) or well 3 according to trinitarians, but my Bibles all say there is only One God and only one Saviour, how many saviours do you think there are?
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It's in the same verse as Prince of Peace also, but that's not the point we're trying to make here, is it? Why are you trying to confuse the topic? You're creating a strawman, and fighting him. Trinitarians do NOT believe in 3 Gods. We believe in one, in 3 persons, sort of like a superhero that can make duplicates of himself to fight multiple people at once. Still the same person with the same mind.

I'm sorry you Oneness guys don't have the imagination to come to the realization that God is not confined by human rules. You can only see God in the natural, that he can only be one being. I don't know how you get that Jesus could be God on earth, and yet there still be a God in heaven, without the trinity belief.
 
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CarrierOfChrist said:
It's in the same verse as Prince of Peace also, but that's not the point we're trying to make here, is it? Why are you trying to confuse the topic? You're creating a strawman, and fighting him. Trinitarians do NOT believe in 3 Gods. We believe in one, in 3 persons, sort of like a superhero that can make duplicates of himself to fight multiple people at once. Still the same person with the same mind.

I'm sorry you Oneness guys don't have the imagination to come to the realization that God is not confined by human rules. You can only see God in the natural, that he can only be one being. I don't know how you get that Jesus could be God on earth, and yet there still be a God in heaven, without the trinity belief.
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But it's God that says that He is one being, where does God say that He is not one but three? Where does it say that in the Bible?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Trinitarians do NOT believe in 3 Gods. We believe in one, in 3 persons,
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So you believe in "3 persons"?????in one? that's an oxymoron...Say I have 3 sandwhiches, how many sandwhiches do I have?
 
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So you believe in "3 persons"?????in one? that's an oxymoron...Say I have 3 sandwhiches, how many sandwhiches do I have?
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See? Using earthly means to interpret heavenly things. The correct analogy would be "I made 3 sandwiches with the same ingredients, how many types of peanut butter do I have?"
 
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CarrierOfChrist

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Hehe wait wait, I have a great analogy. There are 3 threads on this forum about Oneness vs Trinity. Are they different topics? :D Also, wonder if the number of threads being 3 is a coincidence... rofl.
 
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See? Using earthly means to interpret heavenly things. The correct analogy would be "I made 3 sandwiches with the same ingredients, how many types of peanut butter do I have?"
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So you cannot answer my question? It's very simple; I have 3 sandwhiches, how many sandwhiches do I have?
 
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So you cannot answer my question? It's very simple; I have 3 sandwhiches, how many sandwhiches do I have?
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You have 3 sandwiches. Are you saying God is limited to what sandwiches can do now? Because I know he's delicious and all (love communion!), but is he really that low to you that you limit his abilities to those of a sandwich?
 
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CarrierOfChrist

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Going to bed now, I'm expecting some COHERENT rebuttals when I return!
 
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Behold, Cup of Ruin - the Trinity. Each sandwich is a sandwich of itself, but stacked together it makes one triune sandwich, a Trinity.


 
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Behold, Cup of Ruin - the Trinity. Each sandwich is a sandwich of itself, but stacked together it makes one triune sandwich, a Trinity.


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But I said "I have 3 sandwhiches, how many sandwhiches do I have?" So how many?
 
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If you have three sandwiches in a trinity as shown in the picture, you have 1 sandwich (God) made up of three other sandwiches (persons) - Father, Son, Holy Spirit, who each of themselves are sandwich (God) in their own right.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
If you have three sandwiches in a trinity as shown in the picture, you have 1 sandwich (God) made up of three other sandwiches (persons) - Father, Son, Holy Spirit, who each of themselves are sandwich (God) in their own right.
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Well there's 4 halves in the photo, it's technically a double sandwhich.
 
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If Jesus Christ ever said with his own mouth that he was God, that would be worth considering.
But Jesus Christ DID say with his own mouth that he was the Son of God.
The last thing I am going to do is believe some doctrine of men over the words of my Lord and Savior.
I've heard alot of things over the years from trinitarians, but the statement, "Jesus is his own father" takes first prize......that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard in 33 years
 
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CarrierOfChrist said:
Am I serious? Yes. I said Abraham was called the father of many nations, not the Everlasting Father, or God. I was giving a precedent of Jesus being called a Father when it wasn't meant in a literal term.

I never denied that Jesus was God. I denied that He was "God the Father".

My argument is, when it was said that he would be called Everlasting Father, it didn't mean "God the Father". So, that is my argument against the topic, that states "Jesus Is His Own Father".
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That is ridicuolous, The everlasting Father is god the Father. If Jesus is the everlasting Father, that makes Him God the Father. Further more Abraham is literally the Father of many nations. He is the Father of the Jewish people as well as all the Arab countreies, not to mention the spiritual father (lower case f) of all Believers. So you arugment is flawed from top to bottom.
 
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CarrierOfChrist said:
Hehe wait wait, I have a great analogy. There are 3 threads on this forum about Oneness vs Trinity. Are they different topics? :D Also, wonder if the number of threads being 3 is a coincidence... rofl.
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There is actuall 4 ''Three in one'' ''Oneness'' ''Jesus is His own father'' and ''Jesus is the Father, and Son''
 
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markhelp said:
If Jesus Christ ever said with his own mouth that he was God, that would be worth considering.
But Jesus Christ DID say with his own mouth that he was the Son of God.
The last thing I am going to do is believe some doctrine of men over the words of my Lord and Savior.
I've heard alot of things over the years from trinitarians, but the statement, "Jesus is his own father" takes first prize......that has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard in 33 years
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The Funny thing is Trinitarians didn;t say that , and what is funnier is Jesus actually did say it, Jesus says He was the Father out of His own mouth. So will you believe Jesus?

John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Jesus makes a clear statement here, no only was He God, but He was God the Father Himself.
 
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watchmen said:
The Funny thing is Trinitarians didn;t say that , and what is funnier is Jesus actually did say it, Jesus says He was the Father out of His own mouth. So will you believe Jesus?

John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Jesus makes a clear statement here, no only was He God, but He was God the Father Himself.
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Exactly. You see and know one person of the Godhead, you know them all. Why is that? How could you know God by simply knowing a regular human? You CAN'T. You can't SEE God without SEEING Him.

They saw Jesus, therefore they saw God. They saw the Father through Jesus.

If a man is a waiter, a pastor, and a plumber, does that mean while he's being a plumber, that he's not a waiter anymore? Does that mean when he's a waiter, he's not a pastor anymore? No, that means he's not doing that job at that particular time.

The difference? GOD CAN DO ALL THE JOBS AT ONCE. YES, HE CAN, and why??? Because HE CAN DO ALL THINGS. Does anyone deny that He can do all things? Anyone?
 
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