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Well you know about a one or two centuries (ending recently) back some white people exploited the resources, redrew the maps, and redistributed land right?
Why does Africa suffer so much?
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danschance
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Angela,
Things happen first in the spiritual realm and then in the natural realm. An example of this is Job. First satan accused Job of being a good righteous man because God had blessed him and protected him, in the spiritual realm. When God agreed satan had a case, God allowed satan to test job. Then calamity fell on Job in the natural realm.
In the old testament we see numerous examples of people engaging in sin and then from God (the spiritual realm) we see a punishment be pronounced for the sin and lastly, we see it take place in the natural realm. So when I see nations fall or rise, I wonder what caused it from a spiritual point of view. Same with Africa. They seem to be hit with famine and poverty and I can only speculate as to why this happened, but I am convinced there is a reason for it that extends beyond the natural realm.
I dont know if you guys know who Prof Griff is but he is a man who wants what is best for Africa, check out a few of his words about the topic
Prof Griff on Africom YouTube - YouTube
Professor Griff Interview on Barack Obama America's Future The Illuminati - YouTube
Prof Griff on Africom YouTube - YouTube
Professor Griff Interview on Barack Obama America's Future The Illuminati - YouTube
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danschance
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In an argument that is weak and you wish to strengthen it amoung Christians, just toss out the name "Obama" and they will rally!
that is not at all my take or what I think to be Mr Griff's motive. you may know more about Africa than Mr Griff, but he has been active in what he views as Africas best interest for more than 25 years. i dont agree with all his views but he is for what is best for Africa nad all the people of the world from what I know of him.
he mentions Obama because Obama has been a supporter and implementor of Africom, which on the surface seems great but in reality is a plan to sieze Africa's natural resources while leaving the people high and dry. there ae many behind this plan, Obama is just a mouthpiece for it.
Obama: ‘Planet Will Boil Over’ If Young Africans Are Allowed Cars, Air-Conditioning, Big Houses
President Barack Obama said at a town hall event in Johannesburg, South Africa, on Saturday that unless we find new way of producing energy “the planet will boil over” if people in Africa are allowed to attain air conditioning, automobiles and big houses.
“Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody has mentioned here in Africa, if everybody is raising living standards to the point where everybody has got a car and everybody has got air conditioning, and everybody has got a big house, well, the planet will boil over — unless we find new ways of producing energy.”
President Barack Obama said at a town hall event in Johannesburg, South Africa, on Saturday that unless we find new way of producing energy “the planet will boil over” if people in Africa are allowed to attain air conditioning, automobiles and big houses.
“Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody has mentioned here in Africa, if everybody is raising living standards to the point where everybody has got a car and everybody has got air conditioning, and everybody has got a big house, well, the planet will boil over — unless we find new ways of producing energy.”
Hiz I am, and I come from a Dutch immagrant that came to South Africa some 360 years ago, and the other half of me also are here for centuries...
Hiz, I doubt if there is a country with a richer or more interesting history than South Africa. On the question what I know about Africomm is NOTHING. I saw you put that mans face up but it is theFIRST time I see him.
Yes I am in South Africa, and I ask God a lot about why things are as they are... AND IT IS ALL IN SCRIPTURE...
My friend I so wished Noah's son did not see his father naked.... Then Africa would have looked a lot different... But I cannot tell it as good as God, I can witness what He told me, but He really wants to tell it to you too, so go do the study with God. Anything you want to know I will share with you...
Zimbabwe and President Robert Mugabe is a JOKE, if only the JOKE did not hurt so many people... Have you EVER seen that almost 90 yearold man? I really think siffeless ate up his brain. I mean JUST LOOK AND LISTEN to him. Same as my president... Jacob Zuma.. man I have NEVER seen people living more in their own little bubble. I think Jacob has aeven wives now. Nelson Mandela, I doubt he EVER repented or asked for forgiveness. He did kill MANY people. But then if he did confess and asked for forgiveness what he had done, would he still be the ICON?
If I give you the order as warchief to throw a hand-granade into a church of men, women and children, am I not the murderer, as well as you? If I ask to blow up a house or a building and people die, am I not a murderer. How do I repent from that? How do I confess that sin? Who should I ask for forgiveness? God or the remnants of the victims?
Well I still have to hear any of NK leaders to confess.. Bishop Desmund TUTU.. .what a JOKE of a "holy man" and he LOVES gays... But then he also loves many other "holy" ones... Like Oprah, and and ... Hiz I always thought you have some knowledge, but this AFRICAN thing is DEEP in the veins... There is no bigger RACISM in the WORLD than between two groups here in South Africa....
The one group is the PROUD ZULU, and the other is the PROUD XHOSA... they been killing eachother WAY before they even knew there was a white person in the world. It is still so bad that I will share one event with you...
I have two black friends. One is named IYANDA, and the other is MISHACK... Iyanda is Xhosa, and Mishack is Zulu. If I invite them both to a braai where we will drink, ther is a 100% propability that they would fight till the blood runs. I am NOT making this up. I spoke to both when they are perfectly sober on MANY occations. Fortunately they were NEVER with me at the same time. Both clearly hates the other nation.
Madela said we are ONE nation... boy! Where does he live... So high he cannot see the hate in the people? I am FLAT on the ground with the "ONE NATION"! But then what would Madiba know about the Bible? I doubt he has one. And when I talk to Iyanda, he says HE IS CHRISTIAN, and when I talk to Misach he says he is Christian... WOW!
Man this Africa is so interesting.... Fortunately they BOTH have still a chance. And then God is more that the whole Zulu and Xhosa nations together... Hopefully the love they both have for me, will bind in the spirit of peace.... I have faith that God can still soften them both.
We had a person called SIENER VAN RENSBURG, and apparently his stuff all came true thus far... He has some amazing "sightings into the future" but he also predicted... an evening of the long blades... A night of terror when the blacks would fight eachother, but is it in Scripture... Well! I can show some, but it IS DEEP! And it can truly be interpreted MANY ways... so let us sit and watch...
Let me just tell you one thing. I have been in a few countries in my life, and I met people from all over the world... the people wit hthe YONGEST SPIRITS IN THEM is the natives of AFRICA... Boy can they throw toys out of a cot. And I am ONE OF THEM! I wonder if it is in the FOOD and WATER we drink.... HAHAHAH!
Here is one FACT.... if you rely on man you doomed. If you rely on an AFRICAN man you doomed EARLIER! HAHAHA. Sad but true.... The MOST unriliable people in the world is AFRICANS... it is in the WATER and FOOD.... IN THE BLOOD! Loyalty here costs ONE BEER!....
Hiz, I doubt if there is a country with a richer or more interesting history than South Africa. On the question what I know about Africomm is NOTHING. I saw you put that mans face up but it is theFIRST time I see him.
Yes I am in South Africa, and I ask God a lot about why things are as they are... AND IT IS ALL IN SCRIPTURE...
My friend I so wished Noah's son did not see his father naked.... Then Africa would have looked a lot different... But I cannot tell it as good as God, I can witness what He told me, but He really wants to tell it to you too, so go do the study with God. Anything you want to know I will share with you...
Zimbabwe and President Robert Mugabe is a JOKE, if only the JOKE did not hurt so many people... Have you EVER seen that almost 90 yearold man? I really think siffeless ate up his brain. I mean JUST LOOK AND LISTEN to him. Same as my president... Jacob Zuma.. man I have NEVER seen people living more in their own little bubble. I think Jacob has aeven wives now. Nelson Mandela, I doubt he EVER repented or asked for forgiveness. He did kill MANY people. But then if he did confess and asked for forgiveness what he had done, would he still be the ICON?
If I give you the order as warchief to throw a hand-granade into a church of men, women and children, am I not the murderer, as well as you? If I ask to blow up a house or a building and people die, am I not a murderer. How do I repent from that? How do I confess that sin? Who should I ask for forgiveness? God or the remnants of the victims?
Well I still have to hear any of NK leaders to confess.. Bishop Desmund TUTU.. .what a JOKE of a "holy man" and he LOVES gays... But then he also loves many other "holy" ones... Like Oprah, and and ... Hiz I always thought you have some knowledge, but this AFRICAN thing is DEEP in the veins... There is no bigger RACISM in the WORLD than between two groups here in South Africa....
The one group is the PROUD ZULU, and the other is the PROUD XHOSA... they been killing eachother WAY before they even knew there was a white person in the world. It is still so bad that I will share one event with you...
I have two black friends. One is named IYANDA, and the other is MISHACK... Iyanda is Xhosa, and Mishack is Zulu. If I invite them both to a braai where we will drink, ther is a 100% propability that they would fight till the blood runs. I am NOT making this up. I spoke to both when they are perfectly sober on MANY occations. Fortunately they were NEVER with me at the same time. Both clearly hates the other nation.
Madela said we are ONE nation... boy! Where does he live... So high he cannot see the hate in the people? I am FLAT on the ground with the "ONE NATION"! But then what would Madiba know about the Bible? I doubt he has one. And when I talk to Iyanda, he says HE IS CHRISTIAN, and when I talk to Misach he says he is Christian... WOW!
Man this Africa is so interesting.... Fortunately they BOTH have still a chance. And then God is more that the whole Zulu and Xhosa nations together... Hopefully the love they both have for me, will bind in the spirit of peace.... I have faith that God can still soften them both.
We had a person called SIENER VAN RENSBURG, and apparently his stuff all came true thus far... He has some amazing "sightings into the future" but he also predicted... an evening of the long blades... A night of terror when the blacks would fight eachother, but is it in Scripture... Well! I can show some, but it IS DEEP! And it can truly be interpreted MANY ways... so let us sit and watch...
Let me just tell you one thing. I have been in a few countries in my life, and I met people from all over the world... the people wit hthe YONGEST SPIRITS IN THEM is the natives of AFRICA... Boy can they throw toys out of a cot. And I am ONE OF THEM! I wonder if it is in the FOOD and WATER we drink.... HAHAHAH!
Here is one FACT.... if you rely on man you doomed. If you rely on an AFRICAN man you doomed EARLIER! HAHAHA. Sad but true.... The MOST unriliable people in the world is AFRICANS... it is in the WATER and FOOD.... IN THE BLOOD! Loyalty here costs ONE BEER!....
there are problems on many continents. africa has been a big player in world history. changing climate contributes to the problem of starvation along with the inability to leave inhospitable areas and overpopulation in those areas. cant really farm when the land is desert and you cant leave the desert when the neighbors wont let you. with out a willingness to work together and share resources there are bound to be problems. add to this religious, ethnic and financial differences and the problem gets even harder to solve.
the united states would be completely different if each state was its own country. it is our ability to share among the states that create so much stability and opportunity. dont like your living situation in wisconsin, feel free to go try in nevada. crops had a problem in nebraska? dont worry iowa can get us through the year. dont have enough water in vegas? pipe it in from colorado. these few examples are not really possible for a divided continent like africa. their infrastructure doesnt work at all like ours. they have to want to set it up so that it will work that way. problem is the rich kids dont like to share their toys with the poor kids. now add religion to that. now add race to that. now add property rights to that. see how quickly it escalates the problems. this is just some basic stuff to understand. there are many more things that contribute to the problems. i look at the world and most of the problems i see with humanity are caused by humans.
so how do we fix these problems? thats a whole nother topic to talk about. how do we fix humans? peace love compassion education.
duewell
mark 4 v 11-13
the united states would be completely different if each state was its own country. it is our ability to share among the states that create so much stability and opportunity. dont like your living situation in wisconsin, feel free to go try in nevada. crops had a problem in nebraska? dont worry iowa can get us through the year. dont have enough water in vegas? pipe it in from colorado. these few examples are not really possible for a divided continent like africa. their infrastructure doesnt work at all like ours. they have to want to set it up so that it will work that way. problem is the rich kids dont like to share their toys with the poor kids. now add religion to that. now add race to that. now add property rights to that. see how quickly it escalates the problems. this is just some basic stuff to understand. there are many more things that contribute to the problems. i look at the world and most of the problems i see with humanity are caused by humans.
so how do we fix these problems? thats a whole nother topic to talk about. how do we fix humans? peace love compassion education.
duewell
mark 4 v 11-13
Hiz MANDELA also had explosives thrown into Christian churches but then who knows this? The ANC that rules South Africa now also KILLED many Christians to be FREE! They did not have the guts to be suicide bombers though, they would set explosives and mines and throw granades.... Cowards compared to the MUSLIN Giad warriors...
thank you very much my brother there is no substitue to hearing the words of one who lives in an area in question.
Yes I understand about Ham, but desendants of Ham, Esau, and Ishmail can all come to Yahweh, I know you know this im jus saying.. I think also a problem with continued curses is the fact that alot of Africans are now becoming muslim, which to me is very odd, the most prolific slave traders were Ismalites that became muslims, and the nubers of souls trafficked by muslims is exceedingly high. none the less i do wish my brothers and sisters in Africa strength in Yahweh.
yeah my understanding of the political "leaders" in Africa is a lot of warlords, I have African friends who grew up in nigeria and congo, and they have told me some scary stories. from my studies, these warlords basically sell out their people in agreements with the "global elites" aka scum, for chunks of money and weapons, kind of Africom on a smaller level, thats why Africom is so dangerous, same old crooked plan but large scale.
i also know a BIT about the tribalisim, that is true everwhere, but i understand to a way more extreme level in Africa, and you words add to this understanding. i know it has always been this way, but i do think outside forces encourage these disputes to thgus take advantage of them, divide and conquer kind of thing, a basic staple of imperilisim.
stay strong and share truth with the brothers and sisters there, they certianly need it.
yeah a have heard alot of "not official" info about mandela from African friends, they said his wife was also a psycopath, I forget what they told me but it was like a horror show type thing.
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Huckleberry
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AIDS did not start that way.
Yes, it is a man-made disease, but men made it in a laboratory.
Very evil men.
It was introduced through vaccination programs.
Google it.
And guess what.
There's guys working on new ones all the time.