What Laws are still valid to christians

[cfultz3]

So when we make something complete, make it whole, it no longer applies and becomes completely useless?

We no longer follow the Law as our schoolmaster. We, in Christ, have reached the end purpose of the Law by being children through the Christ.

We no longer seek our righteousness (right stand before God) through our flesh.

We have our righteousness through faith in the Messiah.

The LAW is not done away with at all. NO!!!!! It is written upon our heart and by hearkening to God's Spirit, we fulfill that Law through Love.

We either live to the dictates of our flesh or our spirit. And the soul which is governed by the flesh is in opposition to God's Law (Love), seeing that it has yet die to its flesh. Therefore, we must die to the flesh, so that we can be governed by our spirit through His Spirit.

 

[Elin]

There is some truth to that:

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this
thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Timothy 4:16

Yes, we are saved by the word of God (1Pe 1:23).

But it must be the word of God, not some false doctrine, in order to save (1Ti 4:16).

 

[Josh321]

The only way to truly love is through grace that fact that God can love sinners like us and show this to us by revealing himself to us when he tells us he loves us through grace that is where love comes from right there the fact that God of all the universe could love a filthy person like us who was lost away in sin when we know he loves us that is when we love

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only way to truly love is through grace that fact that God can love sinners like us and show this to us by revealing himself to us when he tells us he loves us through grace that is where love comes from right there the fact that God of all the universe could love a filthy person like us who was lost away in sin when we know he loves us that is when we love

Yes. We can love because he loved us. We can love sacrificially, because we KNOW we will spend eternity with him, And when this fact becomes a source of faith and motivation. We are free to love, because nothing on this earth can take away what we are given. This life is but a small part of our total exisitance.. Thats how paul could consider sever persecution a momentary light affliction. His focus was on eternity. Not on life on this earth.

If we could lose salvation. we could not have this love, this hope or this humility. because we would continue to try to do what is right on a false basis, to keep salvation. Not out of Love

 

[Elin]

So then conflict is not wrong?

If the Pharisees would not have started it with Jesus, I'm pretty sure that Jesus would have said this to His disciples.
Matthew 8:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

If we who advocate that the law is good are lost, then how would you win us to Christ? If that were the case with me, I'd think about this scripture.

1 Corinthians 9:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

So conflict is not wrong.

 

[Josh321]

We no longer follow the Law as our schoolmaster. We, in Christ, have reached the end purpose of the Law by being children through the Christ.

We no longer seek our righteousness (right stand before God) through our flesh.

We have our righteousness through faith in the Messiah.

The LAW is not done away with at all. NO!!!!! It is written upon our heart and by hearkening to God's Spirit, we fulfill that Law through Love.

We either live to the dictates of our flesh or our spirit. And the soul which is governed by the flesh is in opposition to God's Law (Love), seeing that it has yet die to its flesh. Therefore, we must die to the flesh, so that we can be governed by our spirit through His Spirit.

Amen. preach it brother that is the spirit of the law right there i can't remember which verse talks about this but i will find it

 

[Josh321]

Yes. We can love because he loved us. We can love sacrificially, because we KNOW we will spend eternity with him, And when this fact becomes a source of faith and motivation. We are free to love, because nothing on this earth can take away what we are given. This life is but a small part of our total exisitance.. Thats how paul could consider sever persecution a momentary light affliction. His focus was on eternity. Not on life on this earth.

If we could lose salvation. we could not have this love, this hope or this humility. because we would continue to try to do what is right on a false basis, to keep salvation. Not out of Love

Yup that's why any true born again christian can take persecution because they know no matter what this isn't our home it's just a passing through that is why so many christians don't mind dying for the lord, now if that isn't love idk what is someone who would give up their life in attempts to reveal to an unbeliever the gospel, what a supernatural love indeed stephen got stoned but the only thing he was thinking about was for God to forgive them and let it not be on their head, that is why we suppose to love.. because we know the truth this life isn't life at all just a passing through and the entire world is blind to the gospel that should encourage us more everyone walking blindly people dying without knowing God that is why we can handle persecution because we know better

 

[Elin]

I give to you a redundant scripture that I mentioned not too long ago.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

From the natural man it is hidden.

Romans 8:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Okay, so you don't mean a spiritual meaning that can be hidden from believers.

But you seem to use it sometimes in reference to believers.

That is what was confusing me.

 

[Elin]

You are correct, so there is no conflict between the law and these Words Jesus spoke.
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Deuteronomy 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Has it been stated there is conflict?

Leviticus 19:17-19 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

The NT does not record Lev 19:19 as being spoken by Jesus.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ah, then one who commits adultery is not guilty? The Law has no authority over a Christian that slips? Or are you telling me a Christian never slips, never sins?

One who commits adultery has violated the law of Christ (love) and must answer to him and seek forgiveness, He does not answer to the law of Moses.

 

[Elin]

That the sky is blue means it is a space shuttle. Call it whatever you will,
Paul says the Law is spiritual, it is the carnal mind that is contrary...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

That "the law is spiritual" means it came from God.
"I am unspiritual" means "sold as a slave to sin," which is not from God, but from man (Ro 7:14).

"The law is spiritual" does not mean there is hidden meaning in the law which we must discover.
That is Gnostic thinking.

God's word is exoterical, not esoterical.

 

[Elin]

John said it ever so much more succinctly...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Yes, they are written on our hearts and kept by loving with the love given by the Holy Spirit.

 

[just-me]

I don't feel it necessary to counter everything. I thought this time I'd hang in there with you and let others see how you really are. Maybe other people get of on arguing about God's word but I really don't. I'm in conflict with your attitude as a proclaiming Christian. Keep in mind, Jesus had no conflict whit the Pharisees that I have ever read in the Bible, until they started a conflict with Him. They had distorted the law to complement their own righteousness. If you think I am doing that, then I ask you, i my father the devil as there's was? Yes or no.

So then conflict is not wrong.

If the Pharisees would not have started it with Jesus, I'm pretty sure that Jesus would have said this to His disciples.
Matthew 8:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

If we who advocate that the law is good are lost, then how would you win us to Christ? If that were the case with me, I'd think about this scripture.

1 Corinthians 9:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

So conflict is not wrong.

I differ in that believers in Christ are to edify, and not dispute. So if you say that conflict between professing Christians is not wrong, I object. There will be conflict between non-believers and believers however, and that’s why I mentioned the Pharisees having conflict with Christ. They started it by asking our Lord leading questions for the purpose of proving He was all wrong. They had totally distorted the law, according to their self-righteous attitude, and Jesus came to set it right. So in reference to how we should treat each other, here are some scriptures.


Romans 12:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.


1 Corinthians 1:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


Philippians 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.


Romans 14:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

 

[Elin]

Wonder what Christ meant when He spoke these...

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And then said this....

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And this...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Already addressed several times.

Review the thread.

 

[just-me]

Okay, so you don't mean a spiritual meaning that can be hidden from believers.

But you seem to use it sometimes in reference to believers.

That is what was confusing me.

Luke 6:44-45 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Matthew 7:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[Elin]

i'm sorry i'm not too sure what you are trying to ask me but i can tell you from experience that when i got saved how my life changed to exactly what the bible said it was fulfilled in me through the holy spirit, i actually found love for my neighbors which is impossible for me to do.. only God couldve done that i hated my grandmother for what she did to my family before and couldn't found it in my heart to love her until God changed me i had self control in my spirit so i wouldn't get angry ( anger causes you to lash out and can kill someone from that many people say but how can i kill someone but when temper and anger comes you can do it ) and my soul was at rest eternal as the bible says God gives us a rest when we accept him

HALLELUJAH!!!

 

[Elin]

We are also...

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Verse 11 makes plain that the Law of liberty is the Ten Commandments. They are the metric God uses. As you said in another place about having a breakthrough (and that is wonderful) concerning lust, there would be no lust if not for the seventh and tenth Commandments.

No, the law of liberty is the royal law of love, which fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10).

 

[just-me]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless

Haven't seen you in here for a while. Just wondering if you got sick of the arguing, or if you received the answer you were looking for.

 

[Elin]

We are in total agreement on this. The Law defines sin. Grace forgives sin and Christ's life saves us.

Grace through faith forgives sin (Eph 2:8).

 

[Elin]

So the Law is abolished? Yes or No?

As a means of salvation, Yes.