What Laws are still valid to christians
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I really doubt that Dead Sea scholars say that a copy of Matthew in Hebrew (which doesn't even exist) is more original than the Greek versions. Is that what you were trying to say?
I am not under the law of Moses, or the old covenant, as those to whom Christ was speaking were.
So yes, that is a command I don't care about following because it doesn't pertain to me.
I am not under the law of Moses, or the old covenant, as those to whom Christ was speaking were.
So yes, that is a command I don't care about following because it doesn't pertain to me.
FYI
The Septuagint Bible Online
Septuagint
The Septuagint (LXX)
The Jews upheld the Septuagint very strongly for the first 300 years as the Word of God, but when the Christians took a hold of it, then the Jews rejected it. Then the Jews started rewriting the Septuagint in the 2nd and 3rd centuries to suit their purposes. They were "Making the word of God of none effect through [their] tradition " (Mark 7:13).
The Septuagint Bible Online
Septuagint
The Septuagint (LXX)
The Jews upheld the Septuagint very strongly for the first 300 years as the Word of God, but when the Christians took a hold of it, then the Jews rejected it. Then the Jews started rewriting the Septuagint in the 2nd and 3rd centuries to suit their purposes. They were "Making the word of God of none effect through [their] tradition " (Mark 7:13).
You are the one who admits rejecting the doctrines of Christ as you were taught. Many are doing that nowadays because they don't have the holy spirit, and are unable to understand GOD's writings without it. Yet they like the familiarity of Christian clothes, and so conform biblical doctrines to their needs.
Galatians 6:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
The law was your schoolmaster to lead you to Christ, use the law as the schoolmaster to lead Him to Christ.
Galatians 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
The law was your schoolmaster to lead you to Christ, use the law as the schoolmaster to lead Him to Christ.
Galatians 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Quote one single time I said I wont follow a single word Yahshua spoke.
Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
Seems to me you clearly admitted you do not obey at least that single Command of Yahshua, so by Scriptual definition you are the one who quenches the Spirit.
Do you follow or reject these words of the Messiah?
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Truth is people who are in oppisition to Yahweh's Law are in oppisition to Yahweh.
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
Which seed are you? The seed that follows directions or the seed that fights those who follow directions?
Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
Seems to me you clearly admitted you do not obey at least that single Command of Yahshua, so by Scriptual definition you are the one who quenches the Spirit.
Do you follow or reject these words of the Messiah?
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Truth is people who are in oppisition to Yahweh's Law are in oppisition to Yahweh.
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
Which seed are you? The seed that follows directions or the seed that fights those who follow directions?
Sometimes it is what a man doesn't say, rather than what he says, that reveals his heart. I have asked you before to declare who do you say should be followed (Moses or Paul) in regards to the commands of GOD regarding physical circumcision, and you refuse to answer. Very revealing.
Satan has entered your heart to say that a child of GOD who loves and believes in Christ has disregarded any commandment of GOD.
Satan has entered your heart to say that a child of GOD who loves and believes in Christ has disregarded any commandment of GOD.
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I will never understand this. How could one have faith in the law? the law keeps showing us our weekness (if we really are honest with ourselves) if anything, the law would discourage us because we fail to live up to it every day (again unless we lie to ourselves)
Again, this is why the law is week.
Faith comes when we sacrifice, and find out it was no sacrifice at all. It comes when God uses uses in a powerful way. it comes when we trust God, and he fulfills his promises, or he proves his word is correct.
it will NEVER come by following the law.
IMO, you consider compromise to be edification of the brethren. The word is a sword to divide right from wrong, and a hammer to bring to nothing those things that oppose truth; and a fire that consumes the chaff, yet purifies the gold. Compromise is nothing more than baking with leaven.
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jeremiah 23:29
A little leaven leavens the whole batch of dough. Galatians 5:9
A little leaven leavens the whole batch of dough. Galatians 5:9
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lol.. Actually my friend, it is you who will find out in time. All the times you thought you were righteous, but you were not.l All the times God had plans for you. But you were to focused on the law to see he wanted you to focus on something else.
It is not to late for me. I see my sinful ways on a daily basis, all the times I focus on self and not God. i do not need the law to show me this. Nor do I need to focus on the law. My company has a law. A set of guidelines we work by. I do not focus on them, if I did, I would never get anything done. I do what I KNOW needs to be done, and have faith in my leaders. Am I perfect? NO! But then again, we are human, No one will ever be perfect. we do not need the law to show us this, Only the love of God to humble us on a daily basis as his forgiveness and grace shows up every day. As it did in scripture.
It is not to late for me. I see my sinful ways on a daily basis, all the times I focus on self and not God. i do not need the law to show me this. Nor do I need to focus on the law. My company has a law. A set of guidelines we work by. I do not focus on them, if I did, I would never get anything done. I do what I KNOW needs to be done, and have faith in my leaders. Am I perfect? NO! But then again, we are human, No one will ever be perfect. we do not need the law to show us this, Only the love of God to humble us on a daily basis as his forgiveness and grace shows up every day. As it did in scripture.
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Thats ok. Keep going back to the old way of doing things. Keep making the same mistakes the jews made.
Are you honest with yourself? do you realize how many times a DAY you sin, whether you know it is sin or not? If your so focused on the parts of the law. You will never get this. This is why the law can not make any perfect or righteous.
Are you honest with yourself? do you realize how many times a DAY you sin, whether you know it is sin or not? If your so focused on the parts of the law. You will never get this. This is why the law can not make any perfect or righteous.