What Laws are still valid to christians
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Actually the Law was ALWAYS for Hebrews or Gentiles who wanted to follow Yahweh.
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Also Yahshua says the LAW WILL NEVER BE DONE AWAY:
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
and thats its great to do and teach:
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
As a follower of Yahshua, I proclaim Him to be my ruler, thus I must have a will to do as He says.
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Also Yahshua says the LAW WILL NEVER BE DONE AWAY:
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
and thats its great to do and teach:
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
As a follower of Yahshua, I proclaim Him to be my ruler, thus I must have a will to do as He says.
C
Because you asked me about what the church considered, instead of asking me what I would consider. If the church considered the man was sinful, I would reject the church. Wow!! How long will this continue? I can't answer for others. Would they, or would they not, I don't know?
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
John says this...
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
We do sin, and we have a faithful High Priest who (upon repentance and request) forgives us...
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Here we see that we can come before the High Priest not just once, but in time of need, to obtain mercy and grace.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
We do sin, and we have a faithful High Priest who (upon repentance and request) forgives us...
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Here we see that we can come before the High Priest not just once, but in time of need, to obtain mercy and grace.
you spoke things that were 100% Scriptually untrue, and im the one thats wrong?
maybe you should ask Yahshua that question?
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
maybe you should ask Yahshua that question?
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Thank you for seeing that. that policy is wrong for sure. I reject it.
One can't answer the question he asked with a simple yes or no as he demanded.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer. end of EG's quote.
I continue..
The proper thing would be "no?" Then one would ask "No what?" Or...The proper thing would be "yes?" Then one would ask "Yes what?"
As it escalated into more confusion, the obscurity of the truth that others were sharing would be accomplished. It is for the purpose of confusing the issue that he doesn't agree with or want to see. I've seen this from him twice before. I'm pretty sure it's on purpose.
which side do you want to be on?
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."
OR
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."
OR
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Does God want us to get past the Old Testament? The New Testament makes it clear that 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
With that in mind, Paul is referring to the Old Testament, for the New Testament writings were part of that letter Paul was writing, referring to what Timothy already had in his possession. Henceforth, the scripture Paul was endorsing was the Old Testament, as we know it. It's profitable. Why would we want to get past it, or pass it by?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
With that in mind, Paul is referring to the Old Testament, for the New Testament writings were part of that letter Paul was writing, referring to what Timothy already had in his possession. Henceforth, the scripture Paul was endorsing was the Old Testament, as we know it. It's profitable. Why would we want to get past it, or pass it by?
So would you then agree
Romans 7:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is (Spiritually edifying) but I am carnal, sold under sin.
And is good for instruction in righteousness?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Romans 7:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is (Spiritually edifying) but I am carnal, sold under sin.
And is good for instruction in righteousness?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
C
Thank you for seeing that. that policy is wrong for sure. I reject it.
One can't answer the question he asked with a simple yes or no as he demanded.
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer. end of EG's quote.
I continue..
The proper thing would be "no?" Then one would ask "No what?" Or...The proper thing would be "yes?" Then one would ask "Yes what?"
As it escalated into more confusion, the obscurity of the truth that others were sharing would be accomplished. It is for the purpose of confusing the issue that he doesn't agree with or want to see. I've seen this from him twice before. I'm pretty sure it's on purpose.
One can't answer the question he asked with a simple yes or no as he demanded.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer. end of EG's quote.
I continue..
The proper thing would be "no?" Then one would ask "No what?" Or...The proper thing would be "yes?" Then one would ask "Yes what?"
As it escalated into more confusion, the obscurity of the truth that others were sharing would be accomplished. It is for the purpose of confusing the issue that he doesn't agree with or want to see. I've seen this from him twice before. I'm pretty sure it's on purpose.
Perhaps, it just broils down to not understanding the manner they use to convey their thoughts. There is one on here who I absolutely cannot understand because of grammatical mannerisms and often find myself not agreeing with what I can gather from that person, but, in fairness, I do not assume that person's intent because of my inability to understand (No, sister Elin, not you
). I found this most precious gem to be of value in exchanges of thoughts: give not an adverse sentencing and one will not receive an adverse sentencing. I have also found that in the exchange of thoughts it is our own thoughts which make us individuals. And sometimes, those thoughts clashes. But, really, does that make us demons working evil to the detriment of the others soul? Or, could it simple mean that we are at different stages in our walk to find what we know in part for now: Truth?
Does not the Scripture tells us how to distinguish spirits? Yet, neither one would deny that the Christ (the One sent to be the Savior) came in the flesh.
This I know: if someone disagrees with another, it does not necessarily mean they are saying you are wrong, but, in fact, saying: this is what I think. Yet, when declaring one wrong and perhaps a demon in sheep clothing, edification is thrown to the wind and condemnation is spitted upon the face.
which side do you want to be on?
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."
OR
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."
OR
Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."
Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will
gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."
The pre-trib doctrine was never preached before around 1830, and is in place to get people to accepth the anti-Messiah, they will be told "meeting Christ in the air is not literal, it's is a higher state of consciousness." The UN has been publishing magazines about thier comin "cosmic christ" for 40 years or something, called "Matreyu." (sp) You need to look into "PROJECT BLUE BEAM," they plan on using hologram technology to fake the second coming, and this is no cracker-jack attempt, it real and it's real serious. Many will fall for it if it happens.
Here are some links
CNN Hologram TV First - YouTube
CNN Will I Am Hologram, First time on TV - YouTube
223 - The New Age Agenda - Amazing Discoveries TV
625 - The Coming Cosmic Christ / Secrets of the Ages - John Triplett - YouTube
Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)
Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will
gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."
The pre-trib doctrine was never preached before around 1830, and is in place to get people to accepth the anti-Messiah, they will be told "meeting Christ in the air is not literal, it's is a higher state of consciousness." The UN has been publishing magazines about thier comin "cosmic christ" for 40 years or something, called "Matreyu." (sp) You need to look into "PROJECT BLUE BEAM," they plan on using hologram technology to fake the second coming, and this is no cracker-jack attempt, it real and it's real serious. Many will fall for it if it happens.
Here are some links
CNN Hologram TV First - YouTube
CNN Will I Am Hologram, First time on TV - YouTube
223 - The New Age Agenda - Amazing Discoveries TV
625 - The Coming Cosmic Christ / Secrets of the Ages - John Triplett - YouTube
Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)
Well said brother. If I may, I would also like to add to your thoughts. The biggest conflict comes from assumptions, leading to name calling in some cases. I find more adversarial comments by those who don't want anything to do with certain parts of the Bible, such as the Mosaic Law, in this case.
There is talk saying that certain parts of scripture no longer apply, and that some desire to fall from grace, just because they esteem the law as powerful in their Christian walk. Insinuations of ridicule dominate saying that some people want to be under the condemnation of the law if they consider its great value. How ridiculous!
We are told that fulfilling means negation, that we shouldn't follow the writings of Moses, because we need to get over it, and so on. It isn't name calling so much as it is refusing to acknowledge all of scripture as equally relevant, for God doesn't make mistakes, and everything He has ever said, and ever will say, is as powerful as any other part of scripture.
The problem is calling each other’s faith into question, inventing statements that were never said by others, and using questions and statements as a tool to offset the focus, and to point to a wrong type of faith that is assumed without sincerely wanting to edify the other person as we should be doing. Circumstance of this thread, seems to prove, if it doesn't meet the agenda of others, then it's condemned as all wrong.
There is talk saying that certain parts of scripture no longer apply, and that some desire to fall from grace, just because they esteem the law as powerful in their Christian walk. Insinuations of ridicule dominate saying that some people want to be under the condemnation of the law if they consider its great value. How ridiculous!
We are told that fulfilling means negation, that we shouldn't follow the writings of Moses, because we need to get over it, and so on. It isn't name calling so much as it is refusing to acknowledge all of scripture as equally relevant, for God doesn't make mistakes, and everything He has ever said, and ever will say, is as powerful as any other part of scripture.
The problem is calling each other’s faith into question, inventing statements that were never said by others, and using questions and statements as a tool to offset the focus, and to point to a wrong type of faith that is assumed without sincerely wanting to edify the other person as we should be doing. Circumstance of this thread, seems to prove, if it doesn't meet the agenda of others, then it's condemned as all wrong.