What Laws are still valid to christians

[vic1980]

Psalms 19:7-11

The law of the Lord is perfect,[SUP]c[/SUP]
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules[SUP]d[/SUP] of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

God bless

 

[Elin]

If the Messiah is your master, than why do you fight those who do and teach Yahweh's Law?

Jesus is my Christ.
"Messiah" is used twice in the whole Bible, "Christ" is used over 340 times.

My disagreement is with those who do not understand the Mosaic law in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, to wit:

The law of Moses was given on the basis of the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:11).
When, to fulfill Ps 110:4, God changed the Levitical priesthood to the order of Melchizedek,
both Priest and King,
the Mosaic law which was based on that priesthood no longer had a basis, and also had to be
changed (Heb 7:12).
It was set aside (Heb 7:18-19) along with the Levitical priesthood, in favor of the new eternal
priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
and the Sinaitic Covenant which was based on that now set-aside Mosaic law was thereby
made obsolete (Heb 8:13).

This is the revelation of the Son (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.

He is all, or he is nothing.
Those are his terms, not ours.

 

[Hoffco]

We need to keep in mind that Jesus was under the law of Moses ;but He was preparing the spiritual "seed" of Abraham for the New Cov, when His Apostles would take the forever "Church, "seed of Abraham out of the Old Cov. into the New Cov.. Jesus prepared new skins for the new Cov. truth. The Gospels give the correct "spiritual" understanding of the forever "church" K. of God ,which was universal in and of all times. the national laws were done away and the Sacrificial laws were fulfilled and done away with. The nation of Israel was destroyed to bring the forever Church too light. The forever Church has no national boundarys. Jesus can not be "added to the O.T. He is the fulfillment of the O.T.. Of course the forever truths of the O.T. are carried on to the N.T.. We must agree with the N.T. teaching that the Nation of Israel will be brought into their N.Cov. trues, new birth and justification in the blood of Jesus only. This is the teaching of Daniel, that the, still future ,70th wk. for Israel will happen soon and the Nation will be saved when they see Jesus. This will fulfill all righteousness for the Nation of Israel. Love to all Hoffco

 

[Elin]

Old Covenant: how to remain in covenant with God = do or not do by your flesh.

The Sinaitic Covenant was not based on the sinful flesh.

It was to be observed by a faithful heart.

New Covenant: how to remain in covenant with God = do or not do by your spirit.

One cannot fall out of the New Covenant with God.
It is an unconditional covenant made with all those who are born again by the Holy Spirit.

It's like the covenant of the land promise, it has no conditions and cannot be abrogated.

We are to become alive to our spirit as the means by which we use for our walk before God.

Do you mean we are to live according to the eternal life given by the Holy Spirit into our spirit?

No one was ever justified by the physical walk (flesh).

What do you mean by the physical walk?

We are justified through faith by a walk done spiritually.

Actually, we are justified by faith through grace (Eph 2:8), rather than through a "walk."

By "walk done spiritually," do you mean keeping in step with the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:25)?

You seem to be running NT doctrine through some kind of filter?
What would that "filter" be?

 

[Elin]

because of the flesh, the Law was not able to make us righteous.

Which one then, flesh or Law, was at fault for the Law not being able to make us righteous?

Was it not the flesh which prevented the Law?

Yes, it was.

 

[Elin]

Yahshua says the LAW WILL NEVER BE DONE AWAY:

Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

"Nothing will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (in Christ)." (Mt 5:18).

The Law (Pentateuch) has been fulfilled by and in Christ, and the Mosaic law has been set aside along with the Levitical priesthood of the Law, the Sinaitic Covenant of the Law, the sacrifices of the Law, the rituals and ceremonies of the Law. . .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why do you keep going 'round and' round this bush?

Methinks it be like the disobedient children of Israel circling Mount Sinai (Hagar) for 40 years.

Ye have compassed this mountain long enough: turn you northward. Deuteronomy 2:3​

This btw is a picture of the limited scope of the law. The children of Israel's life revolved around law (symbolized by Mt Sinai, Hagar) for 40 years, and then were directed to turn northward to enter the promised land under Joshua, a shadow and type of Jesus (Joshua).

 

[CRC]

The “law of the Christ” covers the whole course and scope of the Christian’s life and work. By the help of God’s spirit the Christian can follow the commands in order to be judged favorably by that law, for it is “the law of that spirit which gives life in union with Christ Jesus.”—Ro 8:2, 4.

 

[Welshman]

Wow endless doctrine doctrine and more doctrine, endless debate about who's right who's wrong who's not understood properly interweaving Old Testament and new to defend positions, this whole debate lacks a loving touch me thinks? We're not all at the same level of discernment , but all who are christs know him in different ways to others does this invalidate thier faith , thier beliefs ?, no I'd say not ive said many times already people lets make love the source of all our words not venomous words and the like some here just love strife too much for me and through time and different threads these are becoming known , don't let legalism steal the freedom Christ has bought for us , at a very high cost, many seem to know more about gods word than god himself has stated, be wary of all who profess thier right all time its just arguing over endless verses n verses ? Give me one word in truth over a thousand that self professed teachers claiming wisdom seem to extol to others its supposition at best and thier distorted view at best if you want the whole truth read your bible ask god to show you truth from error if you ask it shall be given . God makes the conplicated very simple this ive always found best lol . Blessings to all on gods great planet earth....

 

[CRC]

For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. (Romans 10:4)I do agree.

 

[CRC]

(Matthew 22:36-40) He said to him: “‘You must love your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

 

[cfultz3]

The Sinaitic Covenant was not based on the sinful flesh.

It was to be observed by a faithful heart.

I do not know which covenant you are talking about when you say, "Sinaitic", but the Old Covenant which Christ came to replace, says that obedience was by our flesh, as oppose to the New Covenant which is by our spirit. I do agree that both are observed by a faithful heart.

One cannot fall out of the New Covenant with God.

Please see the follow: New Page 2

It is an unconditional covenant made with all those who are born again by the Holy Spirit.

One maintains his willingness to follow God when he becomes a child. If one looses this ability to freely follow his Lord, then that one is nothing more than a shell which does not contain a soul. If one who is not a child has the ability to choose God, then let us not say our Father has stripped us of our personhood.

It's like the covenant of the land promise, it has no conditions and cannot be abrogated.

And those who were disobedient, although being led by God's Voice, did not receive the Promised Land.

Do you mean we are to live according to the eternal life given by the Holy Spirit into our spirit?

What I mean was that we are to die to our flesh so that we (our soul) can become alive to our spirit, seeing that that which is from the spirit is spiritual and that which is from the flesh is fleshly. We walk either according to the dictates of our flesh or His Spirit. Emphasis was on "walking" and which we follow.

What do you mean by the physical walk?

Trying to walk pleasingly before God by deeds of our flesh.

Actually, we are justified by faith through grace (Eph 2:8), rather than through a "walk."

We either walk in faith or we walk in the flesh. If our walk before God is spiritual, then it is a spiritual walk. So accordingly, a walk in faith (in Christ) is what justifies us.

By "walk done spiritually," do you mean keeping in step with the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:25)?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

You seem to be running NT doctrine through some kind of filter?
What would that "filter" be?

Explain please? I can say Scripture, but that would seem to not necessarily fit the purposed question.

 

[Elin]

which side do you want to be on?

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."

OR

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Q.E.D. . .

 

[just-me]

(Matthew 22:36-40) He said to him: “‘You must love your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

That's right it's the law

Deuteronomy 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

 

[Josh321]

yet anyone to anwser atleast one of my questions i quoted from the scriptures.

 

[Elin]

this suppose to be a Bible discussion forum but instead it's a battlefield and no one seeking to find the truth, instead of me telling you things.. ima just show the text in the scripture and let me hear what all of you have to say.. that is the only way and we will discuss your anwser if it is in the right place or not, so first thing, what does this mean to you

Ephesians 2:14-22

King James Version (KJV)

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

It's a battlefield between NT Christians and Judaic Christians.

There was enmity between Jew and Gentile caused by the defilement laws of the Mosaic code which made the Gentiles unclean to the Jews.

Christ's sacrifice was to accomplish two kinds of peace:

1) between Jew and Gentile by abolishing the cause of their enmity, which was the law, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ;

2) between the one body and God, by forgiveness of their sin through faith in Jesus Christ.

The ceremonial law was abolished on the cross, thereby making peace between Jew and Gentile

 

[Elin]

what does this mean to you?

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
Romans 10:3-10

King James Version (KJV)

OT righteousness = do

NT righteousness = believe

 

[Elin]

what does this mean to you?

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:20-24

King James Version (KJV)

Justified = declared righteous, right standing before God, not guilty by forgiveness of sin through faith

 

[Welshman]

Man doesn't have a soul? He has a spirit a portion of man is spirit bt without uniting with gods spirit the human spirit is limited in all facets of life including intellect ? Soul comes the Greek psuche or in modern terms the mind? Bt not getting into a hermeneutics debate nor theological one bt man isn't a living soul he's not am immortal soul either ? Man is flesh and without breath of life is like a dormant statue subject to decay ? Gods not looking for perfect minds , fact is perfection in this body is not even attainable. Perfection will come when Jesus changes us to our new bodies immortal bodies .no I believe god is looking at hearts that's were he chose to live in us write his laws into ?, not the mind or brain ? Trust in Jesus with wateva measure of faith you've bn given because wether your mature in Christ a babe in Christ or fighting just to survive with your very life , the same faith applies to all the faith that saves and allow others to endure battles is the same faith? From The Lord imputed into the believer, so Christ is that faith to all.. As god says my ways n thoughts are not your way and thoughts ... Scriptures for every point not needed the point is faith in Jesus from Jesus unto us so that we may reach unto perfection bt in gods timeframe not ours ... Bless all of you lovely people and love to the haters and bullies out there Jesus loves you...

 

[Elin]

what does this mean to you?


2 Corinthians 3:10-14

King James Version (KJV)

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

The veil that prevented them from seeing the fading glory of Moses' face is still on them, preventing them from seeing the temporariness and inadequacy of the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant, a veil which is removed only in Christ which gives them the power to see that the Old Covenant is transcended and replaced by the New Covenant because of its greater glory.