What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

We are certainly in agreement on this.

Thank you and it is the perfect Law of god that I personally tried to complete and never could, and God still being good to me in spite of, that annihilated me, as in I can't, being beat up and strip of any of my own power, raised my white flag in "I" give up.
That is when God said to me THANK YOU, now I (God) can and will do in you what you found out you could never do in your flesh. and that is Love God's type best described in 1 Cor. 13
The first 3 verses shows one their flesh in trying and how that means nothing.
Then the 4-13 verses show us The love of god that God imputes into in the Spirit not flesh and is why Paul is so adamant about putting no confidence
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

And show us the doorway into the new life as in believing we are dead to flesh sin through the death of Christ. It is written in all his epistles, yet god is the only one that can show this truth, to whomever God pleases to, and will to those God has accepted.
God does not accept everyone, knowing what their motive is, and if my motive is not to just know God. god might not reveal himself to me then.

"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

 

[Hizikyah]

Originally Posted by Josh321

what does this mean to you?


Romans 8

King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:1-10

King James Version (KJV)

do you see where the fulfillment happens it happens in us THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST THAT IS WHY HE CAME!, IF IT IS ALREADY FULFILLED IN US WHY YOU STILL TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW???

you miss a key point in this passage, those who are in the flesh cant subject themselves to Yahweh's Law, its not about justification its about submitting one self to Yahweh. I tell you one who didnt submit, satan.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness:—iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #458.
α᾿νομι´α anomia; from 459; lawlessness:— lawless deed, lawless deeds, lawlessness


FROM:

#0459 ἄνομος anomos {an'-om-os} from G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law
1a) of the Gentiles
2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:— without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.

Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #459.
α῎νομος anomos; from 1 (as a neg. pref.) and 3551; lawless, without law:— godless men, lawless, lawless one, transgressors, without the law, without law, without law

 

[Josh321]

Tell me why did you take offense to my post? was I condemning you? Just curious as to whether your own flesh has gotten in the way here Josh? Only you will know this is truth or not and is between God and you, your free will choice.
I remember myself trying so hard to show others what I see, and it was to my own demise, my own flesh had tricked me in getting into the way.
praying you might see what is being said as in all truth. Flesh is Dogmatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm confused :s if i said something wrong please enlighten me, i'm willing to listen and admit that i'm wrong if i said something wrong but as i said i'm only backing up what i'm saying through the scriptures

 

[Josh321]

you miss a key point in this passage, those who are in the flesh cant subject themselves to Yahweh's Law, its not about justification its about submitting one self to Yahweh. I tell you one who didnt submit, satan.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness:—iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #458.
α᾿νομι´α anomia; from 459; lawlessness:— lawless deed, lawless deeds, lawlessness


FROM:

#0459 ἄνομος anomos {an'-om-os} from G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law
1a) of the Gentiles
2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:— without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.

Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #459.
α῎νομος anomos; from 1 (as a neg. pref.) and 3551; lawless, without law:— godless men, lawless, lawless one, transgressors, without the law, without law, without law

that is very through those in the flesh cannot submit to the law, but you missed the important part, the righteousness of the law the entire commandments is fulfilled IN US not by us, see?

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus is my Christ.
"Messiah" is used twice in the whole Bible, "Christ" is used over 340 times.

My disagreement is with those who do not understand the Mosaic law in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, to wit:

The law of Moses was given on the basis of the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:11).
When, to fulfill Ps 110:4, God changed the Levitical priesthood to the order of Melchizedek,
both Priest and King,
the Mosaic law which was based on that priesthood no longer had a basis, and also had to be
changed (Heb 7:12).
It was set aside (Heb 7:18-19) along with the Levitical priesthood, in favor of the new eternal
priesthood in the order of Melchizedek,
and the Sinaitic Covenant which was based on that now set-aside Mosaic law was thereby
made obsolete (Heb 8:13).

This is the revelation of the Son (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.

He is all, or he is nothing.
Those are his terms, not ours.

its the Levitical priesthood which no longer matters, its been abolished, not the Instructions of righteous living.

Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."

This is the last page of the "OT", you must think Yahweh cant see 5 minutes into the future.

Malakyah 4:1-6, "For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and ball who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch.
But for you who creverence My Name, the light of drighteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the ewicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send (Yliyah): the Law and the Prophets, which is The Strength of Yahweh, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh; And hit will turn the hearts of the fathers to the jchildren, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; before I come and strike the earth with a curse."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law

but the Scriptures do ssay people would turn the blood into Lawlessness:

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

 

[Hizikyah]

that is very through those in the flesh cannot submit to the law, but you missed the important part, the righteousness of the law the entire commandments is fulfilled IN US not by us, see?

this is true, but you continually use that as an excuse not to subject yourself to Yahweh's Law when OUR MESSIAH SAYS CLEARLY, those who wont subject themselves to Yahweh's Law will be cast off. He did say those who dont folloow it perfectly, hHe said who wont subject themselves to it. INIQUITY.

 

[Hizikyah]

Originally Posted by Elin

given through the NT writers, which you deny,
and try to alter to force fit it into your Judaism.
But Jesus is neither added to nor fitted into Judaism.

this is the misunderstanding with most lawless ones, they cant seperate the ways of a man of Yahweh from pharisees.

Yahshua continually spoke against Pharisee/Judaisim, never did He once speak against Yahweh's Laws.

the preachers of Babylon jumble Yahweh;s Law with the teaching of the Pharisees and take advantege of the ignorance of the people.

they act like the problem was " the pharisees kept the Law but they did it without love."

this is not even close to true, only one who has no knowedge of what is in the Talmud judaisim) could ever think this.

Mattithyah 15:1-3, "Then scribes and Pharisees from Yerusalem came to Yahshua, and said; Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

 

[Elin]

Seems King David understood very well , just as Jesus explain it to John in revelation 22:11

Psalms 18:20-27

The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness;
According to the cleanness of my hands He has recompensed me.
21For I have kept the ways of the LORD,
And have not wickedly departed from my God.
22For all His ordinances were before me,
And I did not put away His statutes from me.
23I was also blameless with Him,
And I kept myself from my iniquity.
24Therefore the LORD has recompensed me according to my righteousness,
According to the cleanness of my hands in His eyes.
25With the kind You show Yourself kind;
With the blameless You show Yourself blameless;
26With the pure You show Yourself pure,
And with the crooked You show Yourself astute.27For You save an afflicted people,
But haughty eyes You abase.


Revelation 22:11-12

Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy."

Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

Remembering that, according to the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the NT writers, what Jesus said to be done was:

"Repent, and believe the good news!" (Mk 1:16)

"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:29)

Our reward will be rendered according to this work of faith, which manifested itself
in obedience to Jesus' commands (Jn 13:34; Mt 22:37-39).

The law that God establish shows us his love, teaches us how to be humble, since the begining of creation they never change.

The Mosaic law has changed drastically:

no more Levitical priesthood,
no more sacrifices,
no more ceremonial laws of food, defilement, cleansings,
law of Moses replaced with law of Christ, which has no curse attached (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10),
no more Sinaitic (Old) Covenant.

There have been drastic changes in the law for the NT Christian.

We live in the last days, of the revelation spoken by the Son (Heb 1:2), through the NT writers,
not in the past days, of revelation spoken by the prophets (Heb 1:1).

We are the NT people of God now, composed of believing Jews and Gentiles,
governed by the law of Christ, not by the law of Moses, which has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19).

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Yes, obedience is the manifestation of the faith that saves.

Don't confuse the faith with its manifestation in obedience.
Don't mix the right things in the wrong way.
Don't mix law (obedience) and grace (faith) in salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

its the Levitical priesthood which no longer matters, its been abolished, not the Instructions of righteous living.

The law is a whole. One cannot pick and chose which parts of it he wants to obey.

Only the devil tries to keep people in bondage to the law (Instructions of righteousness as you call it), because that is what he derives his power from. He fears when people wake up and realize that they are no longer under the law's condemnation, and have been freed to abide in the righteousness of GOD in Christ.

Now the sting of death is sin, and the power [ability] of sin is the law [of Moses]. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 1 Corinthians 15:56-57​

 

[Hizikyah]

The law is a whole. One cannot pick and chose which parts of it he wants to obey.

Only the devil tries to keep people in bondage to the law (Instructions of righteousness as you call it), because that is what he derives his power from. He fears when people wake up and realize that they are no longer under the law's condemnation, and have been freed to abide in the righteousness of GOD in Christ.

Now the sting of death is sin, and the power [ability] of sin is the law [of Moses]. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 1 Corinthians 15:56-57​

the priestly law has been transfered from Levitical to Yahshua.

trust the words of the Messiah

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

 

[homwardbound]

John says this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

We do sin, and we have a faithful High Priest who (upon repentance and request) forgives us...

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Here we see that we can come before the High Priest not just once, but in time of need, to obtain mercy and grace.

You might already know what I am saying below and you might gain more insight to what God has already shown you, so please read and reject it or accept it as truth, your free will choice. thanks in advance to taking the time to read

And why is it that we can come boldly to that throne of grace? Is it not because of Christ the righteous one, that through his death made us:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Again I ask where does it say to ask for more forgiveness form God after one has confessed and received from
God what Christ did do for them after his death?

now I agree in approaching the throne of grace in our time of need and for me this is constant 24/7, yet not for more forgiveness, because of Christ
I am forgiven and made holy through his death, well then what do I need this for then, since I am already past tense forgiven?

Could it be to start out with, thank You Jesus and Father for the forgiveness already provided, now will you please teach me how not to sin, how to walk in the Spirit of you.
And the answer: well yes my son, yes now that you have gotten past the forgiveness issue in seeing you are forgiven by what my Son did at the cross for you, before you were ever born/
And so "I" die daily to self and world with Christ and am shown daily the new life I now have, deeper and deeper as each day goes by.
Brother how many sins did Christ die for on the cross? If your answer is all. Then how many are left for you, since you believe?
This answer is between God and you not me
Praying you see this new life in abundance to us, what Christ came to give as in John 10:10, where you can count all as joy, especially in adversities as we all experience, when you see the new born again life from God to all that believe God.
Such as my last one, not at first yet wanted to count it all joy, and am now seeing it this way. spent time in the Hospital, had foreigners gangrene, a very small percentage of people with this disease ever live through it. Anyway it turned out I lost or was cut off is my penis, and has been hard to live with, having a healthy relationship for 30 years now. Now can't anymore.
So tell me how can one count it all Joy and be content still praise God in the midst. Because God just love me and you and you and you and you.
there is good and bad I can take out of this. Dead to flesh, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, As Paul learned to be content in all things no matter what it might look like
Love you brother deeper than you may know

 

[Elin]

Salvation is and has always been by Grace, thru faith unto good works. I pet, is very clear, 4:18-19 "Now 'If the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and sinner appear?' Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator." NOTE, The word"in" there means "by". "by doing good we assure our salvation.! As in Rom. 8:4 Paul says that when we are born again, :freed from the sin nature, we have the power to live holy lives and to fulfill the demands of the law by our holy living. love to all. Hoffco

No, by doing good we manifest our salvation which is already assured (Jn 10:28-29).

We are to examine ourselves as to whether we are manifesting true faith, or just professing a counterfeit faith.

 

[Hizikyah]

The law is a whole. One cannot pick and chose which parts of it he wants to obey.

Only the devil tries to keep people in bondage to the law (Instructions of righteousness as you call it), because that is what he derives his power from. He fears when people wake up and realize that they are no longer under the law's condemnation, and have been freed to abide in the righteousness of GOD in Christ.

Now the sting of death is sin, and the power [ability] of sin is the law [of Moses]. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 1 Corinthians 15:56-57​

so the Law is an evil bad guy to you?

Romans 7:7, "What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? rNo! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure,
bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

Pslam 119:97-105, "O how we love Your Law! It is our meditation all the day. Your Laws make us wiser than our enemies, because they are our possession at all times.We have more understanding than all our teachers, because Your testimonies are our meditation. We understand more than the ancients, because we keep Your precepts. We have restrained our feet (from the path o)f every evil way, in order that we may keep Your Law. We have not turned away from Your judgments, for You Yourself have taught us. How sweet are Your Laws to our taste; sweeter than honey to our mouths! From Your precepts we get understanding! Therefore, we hate every path of falsehood.Your Law is a lamp to our feet, and a light to our path."

Psalm 119:44-47, "So we will keep Your Law continually and forever! We will walk at for we seek Your precepts! We will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and will not be ashamed. We will delight ourselves in Your Laws, which we love! We will raise our hands up to Your Laws, which we love, and we will meditate on Your statutes."

142-144, 150-152, "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, because Your Law is the truth! Trouble and anguish have overtaken us, but Your Laws are our delights. The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting, giving us understanding, so we may live," "They draw near who follow after wickedness; they are far from Your Law! You are near, O Yahweh, and all Your Laws are truth! Long ago we learned from Your testimonies, that You have founded them forever!"

 

[Grandpa]

The law is a whole. One cannot pick and chose which parts of it he wants to obey.

Only the devil tries to keep people in bondage to the law (Instructions of righteousness as you call it), because that is what he derives his power from. He fears when people wake up and realize that they are no longer under the law's condemnation, and have been freed to abide in the righteousness of GOD in Christ.

Now the sting of death is sin, and the power [ability] of sin is the law [of Moses]. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 1 Corinthians 15:56-57​

It comes down to a question of "How are we saved"?

By our Righteous living of keeping Gods Law perfectly?

or...

By the Perfect Sacrifice and Blood of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?


In Christ is all of our needs for Salvation. In Christ is our Righteousness.

If I were strong and able to keep His Law perfectly I could stand before Him by my own righteousness. But I am not strong. I am weak and not able to keep His Law perfectly. This causes me to be humble and meek before Him.

How could I, being weak, try to preach the Law when I can't keep it my own self? I can't. But what I can do is tell you how I myself was saved. Even though I couldn't keep the Royal Law perfectly the Lord Jesus Christ saved me from it. From the condemnation of not being perfect before Him. He Loves me anyway. And that is the mystery.

 

[Josh321]

this is true, but you continually use that as an excuse not to subject yourself to Yahweh's Law when OUR MESSIAH SAYS CLEARLY, those who wont subject themselves to Yahweh's Law will be cast off. He did say those who dont folloow it perfectly, hHe said who wont subject themselves to it. INIQUITY.

i give up hizikyah, you will never understand what i'm trying to say, lets just agree to disagree.. just going in circles.. like an endless rollercoaster ride

 

[Hizikyah]

i give up hizikyah, you will never understand what i'm trying to say, lets just agree to disagree.. just going in circles.. like an endless rollercoaster ride

brother Josh before you go plese give me your view on this verse? Is iniquity not "without Law" and is not Yahshua casting people off for iniquity?

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[homwardbound]

Thou shalt not murder is not useful in the physical realm? I honestly don't get it. If one keeps it in the intent, the Spirit, how can thy not keep it in the physical?

It truly is only by the Spirit of God living not only in us, yet through us that the physical flesh is contained, even though flesh can appear good, but is not, just read 1 cor.13 :1-3, and see how flesh in doing good, without the Love of God in the Spirit of God and is nothing in the sight of God, yes in people it is as in getting pats on the back, yet to no avail of God
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

God is the doer, if we would deny oneself, and learn to do that daily, then one might be doer, and yet God gets all the credit, not man

 

[Elin]

having slain the enmity

if you think this means the Law is slain you call Yahshua a liar

Mattithyah 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Around this bush for the umpteenth time.

The operative word is until.
And until arrived 2,000 years ago.

In NT Christianity, as distinct from Messianic Judaism, the Pentateuch has not failed,
it has been fulfilled (perfected) by and in Christ Jesus.

And according to Christ Jesus, that is when it passes away.

Therefore,
the Levitical priesthood,
the sacrifices,
the ceremonial laws of food, defilement, cleansings,
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant,

. . .all are no more.

Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."

And that includes his words, "until the Law be fulfilled."

the enmity was slain, the oppisition to Yahweh's instruction, I am living proof of this.

That is Messianic Judaism's misconstruing of the grammatical construction of the text,
as demonstrated in #451.

Yes, the cause of the enmity between Jew and Gentile; i.e., the defilement laws
which made the Gentile unclean to the Jew, was slain on the cross, and
thereby, Christ Jesus made peace between Jew and Gentile (Eph 2:15),
and also between the two of them and God (Eph 2:16),
through forgiveness of their sin by faith in the blood of Christ (Ro 3:25).

Messianic Judaism is not NT Christianity, and seeks to interpret the NT to fit Judaism.

 

[homwardbound]

which side do you want to be on?

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

2 Thessalonians 2:8, "And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."

OR

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Are you talking about the Law of Faith in the finished work of Christ?
Please tell me what Law, I know the laws of Moses point to Jesus as the way, the truth and the life. and to the Faith that Noah had as well as Abraham had, and Christ is the mediator of this Covenant between God and Abraham, do you agree with this?

 

[Josh321]

if only the world could experience and feel the true power of God to change a man this won't even be a debate, let me ask you this what part of christ, came to fulfill the righteousness of the law IN us, don't you understand, don't you see this when someone gets transformed? i even show you fulfillment through myself and you see it but you just can't understand it or get to grasp on what i'm talking about when you died to the world.. the righteousness of the law has been fulfilled in it, i have no idea how to explain this to you.. or anyone just won't get what i mean, but this is what fulfillment means

[h=3]Hebrews 10:16-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

see it's already in our hearts and end when we become born again, fulfill means it's already accomplished, because of that through the holy spirit we don't have to follow it we just have to love each other, why do you think people miraculously change their wicked ways when they receive the gift from God? that is the law being fulfilled in them, don't you get it? they automatically walk according to the law, not by flesh and actually doing it but by spirit it has been fulfilled in us that is why we become aware that we were living in sin and christ set us free from that, that fulfillment is what changes the unbeliever and makes them righteous