What Laws are still valid to christians

[homwardbound]

As Christ's death 2,000 years ago forgives your sin at rebirth in the 20th century,
so his death forgives your sin after your rebirth in the 20th century.

His death forgives all your sin at repentance, both at rebirth, and thereafter.

So then why are people being taught to ask for more forgiveness over and over, negating God's great amazing Salvation, when it is clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
I agree to not want to sin, but it is not done over and over as the Jews did year after year, and the payment was and is always blood.
Jesus is the last sacrifice and the last shedding of blood for forgiveness from God the Father and is not coming back to enact anymore forgiveness, it is done is it not?
Yes or no will suffice, thanks This is how deep God does love us all
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

 

[Hizikyah]

Rather than it meaning that Christ is a liar, it indicates instead that you are clueless and obtuse. Your unending posting of the same verses over and over and over again don't prove anything except to show what verses you stumble over.

Im hoping some one will actually give a care about what the Messiah said. He cant be your ruler if you ignore everything He said to do...

You are the last one to say "verses you stumble over" IMO, you wont even reply to a bunch of verse I posted from the NT, you just go quiet for a while and the return and take a shot at me. Also its easy to pick one part of my post out, ignore the rest and proclaim me wrong.

I sincerely hope you can come to Yahweh's truth and quit following the lawlessness of mystery babylon and rabbinical enactments. Why dont we both pray for ourselves and the other to come to the truth, if there is anything we have missed?

 

[Josh321]

So first if this means what you imply it, than Messiah is a flat out liar: (which is not so)

Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."

Second what veil was over the eyes of the people at the reading of the Law? Was it a veil of obedience to the Law and love for it? Or was it oppisition to the Law and a desire to find a way to overthrow it? (Talmud anyone?)

Romans 8:2-3, "Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to edefeat; overthrow, fit, Yahweh did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

The law of sin and death is disobedience and fleahly lusts which are in oppisition to the Law of Yahweh.

Also if we consider ALL of Shaul's writings, its clear he could not mean what you imply:

Romans 3:31, "Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general. "

Particularly this:

And lets be honest, "thereby putting to death the enmity" if it were the perfect Instructions it would say, "thereby putting to death the Law." But it does NOT, it says putting to death the oppisition (enmity).

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:2-3, "Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to edefeat; overthrow, fit, Yahweh did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

2 Corinthians 3:13-18, "We are not like Mosheh, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israyl could not gaze at it, as the radiance was fading away. But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted at the reading of the Law and the Prophets because only in Messiah is it taken away; (the veil taken away, and the blindness removed). But even to this day, when the (Law given through) Mosheh is read, a veil lies over their hearts; minds. However, when one turns to Yahweh, the veil is taken away. Now Yahweh is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of Yahweh is, there is liberty; (freedom from death). And we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of Yahweh, are being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory--which comes from Yahweh Who is the Spirit."

2 Corinthians 3:13-18, "And not as Moses, who put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly see the end of that which is abolished:But their minds were blinded: for until this day remains the same veil not taken away in the reading of the old covenant; which veil is done away in Christ.But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their hearts.Nevertheless when one shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

why do you keep posting that? do you even know what it means? the 10 commandments means that the world is in sin, if it should be remove the world wouldn't be in sin that is why it will not be remove your reading it out of context everytime, and the law is abolished in the sense that anymore who is born of God the law is abolished because it was fulfilled in him, if it's already fulfilled through the spirit of Christ it is abolished to the flesh we don't have to keep it because we already keeping it spiritual, remember the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us and when someone is born of God they die to the world, and what is the world under sin? and what kind of sin the do the things contained in the 10 commandments but when God fulfills that in us we die to the world, do you understand?

 

[Hizikyah]

So then why are people being taught to ask for more forgiveness over and over, negating God's great amazing Salvation, when it is clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
I agree to not want to sin, but it is not done over and over as the Jews did year after year, and the payment was and is always blood.
Jesus is the last sacrifice and the last shedding of blood for forgiveness from God the Father and is not coming back to enact anymore forgiveness, it is done is it not?
Yes or no will suffice, thanks This is how deep God does love us all
Ephesians 3:16-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

I may had misunderstood you, but...
There is only 1 Sacrifice I agree, but if we sin after 100% we need to ask for forgiveness.

1 Yahchanan 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."

 

[Josh321]

honestly i understand why people would be confuse but you really gotta look at what is going on, i know when you see that the bible say the law is fulfilled in us you believe that only now we can keep it because God made us aware that we must do it, but fulfill means it becomes one with us, it's the same law but in a different way, we don't have to keep it PHYSICALLY it is already accomplished spiritually soon as you die to the world that is what is meant when the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us, and i can only tell you from experience

 

[Hizikyah]

why do you keep posting that? do you even know what it means? the 10 commandments means that the world is in sin, if it should be remove the world wouldn't be in sin that is why it will not be remove your reading it out of context everytime, and the law is abolished in the sense that anymore who is born of God the law is abolished because it was fulfilled in him, if it's already fulfilled through the spirit of Christ it is abolished to the flesh we don't have to keep it because we already keeping it spiritual, remember the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us and when someone is born of God they die to the world, and what is the world under sin? and what kind of sin the do the things contained in the 10 commandments but when God fulfills that in us we die to the world, do you understand?

I understand you call the Instructions of righteousness sin. The Law of Yahweh is to show us how we should behave toward Yahweh and our fellow human.

I can show you a number of them where He says we SHOULD keep it. Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

If you can do that I will rethink my views? Is that not fair?

Psalm 119:44-47, "So we will keep Your Law continually and forever! We will walk at for we seek Your precepts! We will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and will not be ashamed. We will delight ourselves in Your Laws, which we love! We will raise our hands up to Your Laws, which we love, and we will meditate on Your statutes.

 

[Hizikyah]

honestly i understand why people would be confuse but you really gotta look at what is going on, i know when you see that the bible say the law is fulfilled in us you believe that only now we can keep it because God made us aware that we must do it, but fulfill means it becomes one with us, it's the same law but in a different way, we don't have to keep it PHYSICALLY it is already accomplished spiritually soon as you die to the world that is what is meant when the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us, and i can only tell you from experience

I can tell you from experoence that I used to be interested in ignoring and rejecting Yahweh's Law, but through HIS Spirit I now love His Law. So I understand what Eph 2:15-16 and Romans 8:2-3 mean personally.

Also you never refute me intrepretation of Scriptually with facts, Scripturs, but just say your wrong dont you understand, do not kill is impossible its evil you so wrong for saying we should follow it, cant you see the spirit has set me free from obedience. (im trying to show you what your words of dont follow what Yahweh says, Yahshua did it so you didnt have to justify and sould like to me)

 

[Hizikyah]

What Yahweh calls His mark, which is the oppisite of the mark of the beast, most of the religious world calls a burden, a curse, and done away.

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

 

[homwardbound]

You misunderstand 1Jn 1:8-10.

I John was written by John from the island of Patmos, to a leader of the gathering of people that believed in Christ, and there was division in that gathering, Gnostics that did not believe that Christ came in the flesh, because flesh is sinful. so by this belief they as well thought since they believed this way they did not have a sin nature of flesh either

Therefore we have 1John 1, that starts out with we have touched, felt, and eaten with Christ, he was not an apparition, he did come in the flesh, and we are born first in the flesh ourselves, we with a sin nature, and in need of life.
Anyway and it goes on to correct Gnostics from the errors of not believing the sin nature and not believing that Christ came in the flesh
Then once corrected we receive the truth about Christ's finished work to us from God the Father and are forgiven through Son.
After this reception there is no more forgiveness to be issued.
Also if you look up the Greek on 1 john1:9 says to have, PAST TENSE ALREADY FORGIVEN YOU OF YOUR SINS.
no ones belief's changes what God has done through Son.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It matters not which way, anyone slices, dices and or cubes the above verse it is what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. forgiven made holy before Father by son, There are no conditions on this, none. it is what it is
Thanks for all your posts
And from accepting this truth one is born again into the love of God that is spread abroad in us, that is what John's writing's are all about, if one will read the whole and not strain out gnats and swallow camels as many have and do.
It is a lie from the enemy to ask from God more forgiveness after the reception of the forgiveness that is already done through Christ at the cross

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You are the last one to say "verses you stumble over" IMO, you wont even reply to a bunch of verse I posted from the NT, you just go quiet for a while and the return and take a shot at me. Also its easy to pick one part of my post out, ignore the rest and proclaim me wrong.

I'm really not into the 'spray and pray' thing. I'm more inclined to the 'one shot, one kill' approach.

 

[homwardbound]

You would be mistaken in the post you are referring to.

okay, no problem we all are just here to help and be helped unto the truth of Father through Christ
Thanks

 

[Josh321]

I understand you call the Instructions of righteousness sin. The Law of Yahweh is to show us how we should behave toward Yahweh and our fellow human.

I can show you a number of them where He says we SHOULD keep it. Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

If you can do that I will rethink my views? Is that not fair?

Psalm 119:44-47, "So we will keep Your Law continually and forever! We will walk at for we seek Your precepts! We will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and will not be ashamed. We will delight ourselves in Your Laws, which we love! We will raise our hands up to Your Laws, which we love, and we will meditate on Your statutes.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[h=3]Romans 8:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

you gotta be careful brother your confusing the Jews with the gentiles, the jews have the keep the letter of the law until the fulness of the gentiles has come in, it was always meant for them, what was meant for us is to believe that God came and die for our sins and when we truly do that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us

 

[homwardbound]

Learning to live by spirit takes time as babes take time to become men ? God gave us time for a purpose? To grow unto perfection .simple. Anyone who says a child of god won't sin in there life after truth has come is simply not in real life come on people we sin with knowledge and without knowledge bt sin loses its lure to a new born in Christ he realises the gravity of what sin really did cost god? The beating and scourging unto blood of his only son this was the price paid, once one accepts Jesus everything and every thought learned to that point pertaining to life itself is changed concepts of time history all changes this is a beginning of god revealing himself as father to the child .. Wow wow wow god blows my mind with his foresight of every human ever born am in utter awe of gods mind amen

And AMEN too, absolute truth, thanks. God does the growing and we do the listening, then the doing is done, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Josh321]

it's plain scripture brother, that simple scripture i just showed you explains everything you need to why, why did God send his own son? so that the righteous of the law, MAY BE FULFILLED IN US, if only you could experience that to see what i am talking about, if you did you would know exactly what i mean and what this scripture means

 

[homwardbound]

That would be between the person and God.

Absolute truth, therefore we are to judge nothing before the time, just ell others the truth about Christ and Father, and no condemnation to any others, just plant and water, for it is God that gives the increase. not anyone of man. We are nothing but waterers and planters of the truth, even if one does not speak the truth, God gives the increase to his children ad his children grow, for his children know his voice and follow
Thanks for your post

 

[homwardbound]

The commandments haven't changed.

definitely not, not the power of Love and never will from God to us through Son Christ at the cross

 

[homwardbound]

You are correct. But, a drunkard walk will soon see the ground....

and we fall and go splat on the ground as is what gravity does. try jumping out of an airplane without a parachute, that is basically what happens when we trust in self and or the world, and not God in the Spirit of God, today the only way God can be worshipped John 4:23-24
Thanks for your posts

 

[Hizikyah]

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:3-4

King James Version (KJV)

you gotta be careful brother your confusing the Jews with the gentiles, the jews have the keep the letter of the law until the fulness of the gentiles has come in, it was always meant for them, what was meant for us is to believe that God came and die for our sins and when we truly do that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us

it's plain scripture brother, that simple scripture i just showed you explains everything you need to why, why did God send his own son? so that the righteous of the law, MAY BE FULFILLED IN US, if only you could experience that to see what i am talking about, if you did you would know exactly what i mean and what this scripture means

This does not mean we dont take Yahweh's Instructions to ourselves.

Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times osome will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of pdemons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

Do demons say dont steal and if you do you should feel bad about it?

Or do demons say:

Genesis 3:3-4, "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Yahweh has said: You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, or you will die. And the serpent said to the woman; You will not surely die." v11, "And Yahweh said: Someone deceived you so that you would sin! You have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, that you should not eat!"

(HSVC) Hizikyah's Street Version Commentary v3-4 "and the serpent said: disobey Yahweh and you will still have eternal life!"

 

[Josh321]

look my brother look at this testimony very carefully.. at what fulfillment means, look at the commandments and look at him after got saved him [video=youtube;UbXeP4nlbGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbXeP4nlbGI[/video]

 

[homwardbound]

Originally Posted by homwardbound

if one says they believe and do not, that is what is counterfeit. true repentance before god is to change one's mind from unbelief to belief in god,

It is also changing one's mind about one's way which sinned.

How is what you quoted different form what I quoted, do not see what you are saying, please elaborate?