What Laws are still valid to christians

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Then please quote for us the instruction regarding circumcision, and we'll see whether your accusation that I'm making things up is true. If you want to call me a liar because i said circumcision is only a sign, prove it. Look it up and quote God's instruction regarding circumcision. (Hint: It's in Genesis 17)

And don't back away from this. If you're going to call someone a liar, you better be ready to prove it.
A circumcised thingie was a sign of the covenant, but the act of circumcision itself was obedience to the law of the covenant, that if not obeyed resulted in the uncircumcised one being cut off from GOD's covenant and his people.

And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14​
 
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Did Jesus descend into Hell or Hades after he died on the cross?


While on the cross for three hours, after all the sins were laid upon him Jesus cried out that God forsook him (looked away, breaking fellowship). After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyone’s hands, but the Father’s.


So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation. If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.


While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus and Jesus lied. Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven (then he took those saints with him to heaven Eph.4:8).


The Bible-Acts 2:27, “For you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.” Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: “His soul was not left in Hell (actual word is Hades), nor did his flesh did see corruption.”


Notice it says neither soul nor body saw corruption (decay). If he was a sinner would mean He did see corruption. The verse quoted by Peter is Psalm 16:10. Some Bible versions use the word hell; a more accurate translation would be Sheol. In Hebrew, this encompasses the place for both the righteous and unrighteous that have died. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament; rarely is it used to denote a place of torment (Luke 16:23 is one of the rare scriptures in the New Testament). The customary meaning is realm of the dead, meaning the state of death or the grave (Genesis 37:35; 1 Samuel 2:6; Psalm 141:7).


The New Testament Greek equivalent is Hades, and gives us a more detailed explanation of the realm of the dead. It is divided into two compartments; on one side is Abraham's bosom for the righteous, on the other side is what we call hell, which Jesus said: “was prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). We find in Luke 16:23, 25 that in Hades there is a place of punishment (called Hell), and a place of rest, (Abraham’s bosom), depending on which side you are on. The context should bear it out. If Jesus went to hell for any amount of time as a punishment then the cross was insufficient for our redemption.


For example in 1 Cor 15:55: "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"


The Greek word for both death and Hades is thanatos (properly, an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively)


In Rev. 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”


The word for death is thanatos, Hades is haides in Greek, from 1 (as negative particle) and 1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: KJV-- grave, hell.


What actually did happen to Jesus’ spirit? We know He committed His spirit to God. I Peter 3:18 states, “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened (made alive) by the Spirit.” Christ died in body only (put to death in the sphere of the flesh), not the spirit. And continued to exist in spirit, just as He did before He came to earth. His existence in His earthly life ended but He continued His life existing in the spirit inside the earth, in Hades, before He resurrected.


It is His flesh that was made alive again, resurrected. Christ died in body only. We can prove this by 1 Peter 3:19-20: “By whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah...” This event occurred between Christ’s death and resurrection. Jesus went to those who were believers and presented his victory at the cross. He also went to those that were incarcerated from the time of the flood. The word for “preach” is Kerysso in Greek, meaning to proclaim or announce (judgment). This is different then to evangelize and proclaim the good news of reconciliation for salvation, which is used in 1 Peter 4:6. This proclamation was directed to either the fallen angels or the human souls that died in the flood or both (Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4). Announcing to them their judgment is imminent, as he had just come from the victory on the cross.


Again Hades, Sheol encompasses the whole realm of the dead and the context must bear out what it says.


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This saved me a lot of typing. Sister but its my view and couldn't explain it any better I hope this helps your understanding of this topic, of course your free to disagree but if you at least have an open mind even if you've bn taught something else I'm sure The Lord will guide you unto truth .amen
 

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Note: that should be Spirit, not spirit.

There is no "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" in Scripture.

There is only the letter, which is the law, and the Spirit.

The letter (the law) kills because of Dt 27:26, while the Spirit gives life (eternal life).

2Co 3:6 is not referring to a "spiritual" meaning of the law, but to the person of the Holy Spirit.
Elin, The Spirit, as in the Holy Spirit, IS "the Spirit of the law".

Simply note that after Israel was freed from Egypt they ventured to Mt. Sinai and reached it on the exact day of "Shavuot" (i.e. Feast of Weeks = Pentecost) in the 3rd month. It was on this day that the "Spirit of God" descended to his people and gave them his laws.

Fast-forward to the beginning of Acts, and on Pentecost (i.e. Feast of Weeks = Shavuot) again in the 3rd month, the "Holy Spirit" (of God) descended onto his people in Tongues of Fire and all began to preach to the nations there. Same exact day...same exact event (as God doesn't change). There was even the same number of people saved as there were the number of people killed from the first event at Mt. Sinai; 3000.

The difference was that the law of God was given to his people on the outside at Mt. Sinai, whereas the law of God was given to his people on the inside at Mt. Moriah(?).

This is why Christ also said the Holy Spirit would lead in to all truth.

This is why we say that those who have Christ's spirit FULL FILL the law; written on our hearts.

The Holy Spirit - just like Christ was - IS "the Spirit of the law".
 
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This message is for cfultz3, ok I'm sorry if your not a sister as I mentioned in last post no offence meant my friend .....
 
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Abraham ,s bosom was a place on earth as heaven and hell weren't even open until after Jesus died so we dnt have to guess or presume that it was outside the earth in another realm ? Anyway enjoy reading see what you think afterwards all the relevant verses are present for explanation .amen
 
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Abraham ,s bosom was a place on earth as heaven and hell weren't even open until after Jesus died so we dnt have to guess or presume that it was outside the earth in another realm ? Anyway enjoy reading see what you think afterwards all the relevant verses are present for explanation .amen
Seeing this is not a salvational thing, let us agree to disagree.

P.S. No offense taken if you called me a sister...lol I always get it mixed up all the time myself :)
 
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No your right its not a salvation issue my friend but in a previous post you asked the question so I thought the first long post ( pasted) my first time lol would at least make good reading and answers your question ? At least a view anyway? Bless ya anyway friend , brother, bt most definitely not sister lol
 
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Ref #2082 post concerning Abraham's bosom ? Different topic I know but I simply posted for all to read its a view, I admit its my view, agree or disagree ? , it was only posted as an reply to earlier question apologies for not starting a thread anew didnt mean to veer off this thread amen god bless all on the great earth......
 
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Not copied of here it was in my collection of notes from a Christian website ok
 
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No your right its not a salvation issue my friend but in a previous post you asked the question so I thought the first long post ( pasted) my first time lol would at least make good reading and answers your question ? At least a view anyway? Bless ya anyway friend , brother, bt most definitely not sister lol

Thank you for taking the time to explain to what Scripture says. Why would you copyright your material?
 
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Sorry even answered the question or attempted too now dnt be so hostile in your replies it makes you look as if your argumentative for argumentative reasons alone, bt no worries I shan't attempt to answer again not an issue for me ....
 
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Note: that should be Spirit, not spirit.

There is no "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" in Scripture.

There is only the letter, which is the law, and the Spirit, which is the Holy Spirit.

The letter (the law) kills because of Dt 27:26, while the Spirit gives life (eternal life) because of faith.

2Co 3:6 is not referring to a "spiritual" meaning of the law, but to the person of the Holy Spirit.
I think technically you are correct. Not sure what problem 'spirit of the law' and 'letter of the law' causes though.
 
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Sorry even answered the question or attempted too now dnt be so hostile in your replies it makes you look as if your argumentative for argumentative reasons alone, bt no worries I shan't attempt to answer again not an issue for me ....
The post I deleted was about copyrighting one's proclaiming of the Gospel and then saw that it was not yours.
I am sorry you took that as to being hostile, but by not means was it hostile.
I was asking why would one want to copyright what is their Christian duty: proclaiming the Gospel.