What Laws are still valid to christians

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So the God who wrote the Law was "under the old covenant" yet somehow says we shouldn't be "under the old covenant", yet He still tells us to follow the Law?


This is so confusing I don't know how to respond.
It trully pretty simple to sum up, take the ten commandments and look at Jesus commandments they are one in the same.

Old Testament:

Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me.

Deuteronomy 5:7 "You shall have no other gods before me.

2 Kings 17:35 When the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: "Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them.

New Testament:

Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY

Luke 10:27 And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Now unto another part of the ten commamdments

Exodus 20:13

13 You shall not murder.
14“You shall not commit adultery.
15“You shall not steal.16“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

New Testament


Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Old Testament:

Exodus 20:6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

psalms 25:10 All the ways of the LORD are loving and faithful toward those who keep the demands of his covenant.


New Testament:

1 John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.


John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

these are they not one in the same,Hope this helps , gnite all and God bless :)
 
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Keep going. Show us how the 4th commandment is the same as Jesus' commandment(s).
I don't think Jesus needed to teach it because He lived and died by it. "Study to show yourself approved unto God."


The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment,

Genesis 2:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Exodus 20:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Hebrews 4:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

FYI
Jesus was buried on the Sabbath day which is the yearly Passover.
Remember this day and keep it holy.
Remember the ushering in of the New Testament.
It’s the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment.

John 19:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

John 19:31 (KJV)

[SUP]31 [/SUP]The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

James 1:15-16 (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.

There were 2 Sabbaths during the week Jesus was killed. He was buried just before the annual Sabbath, and resurrected right after the weekly Sabbath. The Sabbath says revolve around the finished work Jesus came to do for your sake, and you wan to deny it? WOW!
 
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In their writings to the churches, the Apostles only mentioned the sabbath three times.

(1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (Hebrews 4).

(2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Colossians 2:9-17).

(3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Romans 14).

Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.

Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4-5; Romans 9:5).
 

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There were 2 Sabbaths during the week Jesus was killed. He was buried just before the annual Sabbath, and resurrected right after the weekly Sabbath. The Sabbath says revolve around the finished work Jesus came to do for your sake, and you wan to deny it? WOW!
- Jesus was killed
- and resurrected
- the finished work Jesus came to do

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not only do most of us think of; remember; honor and praise God for these events every DAY....they are thought of; remembered; honored and God is praised as we assemble every Sunday - the first day of the week.

Acts 20
7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered together.…

Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

Acts 2:46
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts

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"I don't think Jesus needed to teach it [sabbath-keeping] because He lived and died by it."

really?:)
Jesus spoke about everything else during His Mission - to Israel.

Colossians 2:16
Alive in Christ
15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. 16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

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We are complete in him - in our conversion from sin to holiness set forth in baptism, and our resurrection from death to life experienced in forgiveness; and in the removal at once of the legal bar which forbade our access to God, and of the veil of inferior and partial mediation which obscured his manifestation to us - Pulpit.
 

john832

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Keep going. Show us how the 4th commandment is the same as Jesus' commandment(s).
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Why would Christ tell us to pray our flight would not be on the Sabbath at the end of the age? Why would the Sabbath matter 2000 years later if it were not still in force?

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Why don't you show us one shred fo teachin gfrom Christ that even questions the Sabbath? Why does Christ reinforce it? If it were to be changed or done away, why didn't someone say so? Paul certainly didn't...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

And the word here for rest is Sabbatismos. When this is translated properly it reads...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott

Even my Oxford KJV has this rendering in the margin "a keeping of a Sabbath".

There is not one statement in the N.T. changing or doing away with the Sabbath.
 
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Non-responsive.

Yes, the
context (vv. 11-14) is very clear that vv.14-15 refer to enmity between Jew and Gentile,
while v.16 refers to enmity between mankind and God,
both enmities being dealt with on the cross,
where the former was removed by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (v.15),
and the latter was remedied by forgiveness of sin through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25).

Sorry you cannot understand the
context (vv. 11-14), for they are quite clear.
Yes. I quoted the post in context, and took the literal interpretation.
And that was non responsive.

Yes, non-responsive.
The
context was presented and you did not deal with the context itself (vv. 11-14).

And you still don't.


Humility is truth.

I can't agree or disagree that your understanding of the
context itself is truth, until you give it.

The context is that God. Took the law out of the way
No, it is not.

The
context is vv. 11-14, which say nothing about God taking the law out of the way.

1. You added the word (ceremonial) to v. 15.
The ceremonial law NEVER separated anyone.
If you knew your OT better, you would know that the Jews remained separate from unbelieving Gentiles because of Gentile uncleanness.

You might want to review

Lev 11 (v.43),
15 (vv.1-12, 19-30),
20 (v.25),
22 (vv.5, 6).

"Do not be made unclean by them." (Lev 11:43)

All bodily discharges made them unclean, and that uncleanness made everything they touched
unclean, and everything that touched what they touched was made unclean (Lev 15:1-12, 19-30).

Therefore, all unbelieving Gentiles were unclean to Jews by the ceremonial law of Lev 15,
because the unbelieving Gentiles had no purification/cleansing remedy.


And you do that by not taking into account the Scriptures that disagree with you,

such as Eph 2:11-14, which are the
context of Eph 2:15-16, whose grammatical construction (not hermeneutic) you clearly violate.
lol. Ok.

If you want to believe God died to take the barrier away from jew and gentile. feel free.

I will take him at his word. He fulfilled the law. He removed that which was at enmity between us (the law) and made us one in Christ.

Removing the ceremonial law did not remove anything which was at enmity.. That is a false statement according to scripture.
 
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In their writings to the churches, the Apostles only mentioned the sabbath three times.

(1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (Hebrews 4).
So if I tell you don't let anyone judge you for taking communion on Sunday, would you read that as communion on Sunday is done away?

(2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Colossians 2:9-17).
What Was Nailed to the Cross?

Since all scripture is given by the inspiration of God so that Christians should be complete (2 Timothy 3:16-17), it is wise to look at more than one verse to determine what, for example, was nailed to the cross.
There is only one only scripture that uses the "nailed it to the cross" expression (AV/NKJ), it is Colossians 2:13-14, in which Paul states,
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".
We will look at what it does and does not say.
First though, let's look at what the last chapter of the last book of the Bible teaches:
"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14, NKJV throughout unless otherwise noted).
Since it is only "those who do His commandments...{who} have the right to enter...the city" (Revelation 22:14), the ten commandments could not be "contrary to us". Actually, it is only those who will not keep the ten commandments that are denied access. Revelation specifically shows that those who break one of at least four of the ten commandments will be outside God's city (Revelation 22:15).
So then, if the ten commandments were not "nailed to the cross," what was?
Look again at what the Bible actually says (two translations):
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NKJV)
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.. (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
Even some Protestant commentators realize this is so. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
In addition, let us look at the Greek term exaleipho translated as "wiped out" in Colossians 2:14:
NT:1813
exaleipho (ex-al-i'-fo); from NT:1537 and NT:218; to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin) (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

In other words, exaleipho has to do with wiping out sin. This is also confirmed in Acts 3:19 where Peter also uses the term exaleipho, which is translated as "blotted out" below:
19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
Hence, it is sin and the related penalties that are to be blotted or wiped out. And the penalties could vary from "being unclean to the evening" (Leviticus 11:24-28) to making an offering (Leviticus 5:5-6) to being "cut off from his people" (Leviticus 7:27) to the death penalty (Exodus 31:14).
This is also confirmed elsewhere in the New Testament:
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).
The curse of the law is related to the penalty. And Jesus paid it.

But what about the law of God? Was the law of God to be wiped out?
Remember that the Bible clearly teaches that sin is lawlessness:
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (I John 3:4-5).
Notice that Paul wrote:
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? (Romans 6:1-2).
Thus the New Testament makes clear that the law of God continues, thus it was not nailed to the cross or somehow wiped out. - Dr. Robert Thiel


[SIZE=+1]What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?[/SIZE]
It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).
Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?
Furthermore, let's look at another translation:
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law! - Dr. Robert Thiel


Now here is an interesting thing about Col 2:16-17, here it is in the NKJV...

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

So if this passage really does do away with the Sabbath and Holydays as you suggest, then it also must do away with food and drink. Does that make sense to anyone?


(3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Romans 14).

Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.

Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4-5; Romans 9:5).
You say here that He kept the Sabbath and Holydays to redeem His people (I thought He redeemed all people) from the penalty, and that He did. He did not do away with the Law, He paid the penalty for our breaking of the Law. He rather exalted the Law of a far greater place of authority in our lives...

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Now all one has to do is read on in Mat 5, 6 and 7 to see what this means...

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Having disdain for your brother, calling him useless and denigrating him is now a violation of hte sixth Commandment.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Lusting after one who is not your legitimate spouse is breaking the seventh Commandment and is worthy of death.

Aren't we thankful Christ paid that penalty for us?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ did not do away with His Law, the Law He spoke from atop Mt. Sinai, He rather paid the penalty in our stead so we can be forgiven...

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
 
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Acts 20
7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered together.…
That would be Saturday after sunset to midnight.
 

zone

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That would be Saturday after sunset to midnight.
lol...okay greybeard.
my church occasionally has late night services.
and i generally am at home after sunset....in bed long before midnight.

do you assemble with other believers greybeard?
on any day?

God bless you in whatever days you esteem.
zone.
 
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lol...okay greybeard.
my church occasionally has late night services.
and i generally am at home after sunset....in bed long before midnight.

do you assemble with other believers greybeard?
on any day?

God bless you in whatever days you esteem.
zone.
All I'm saying Zone is that in those days as it was from the beginning when God created the Earth, a day was from sunset to sunrise, and that is why if one believes the first day of the week to start on Sunday morning...the three days and three nights Jesus was in the grave do not work out. In the days of Jesus the Gregorian calendar was not followed..was it?
 
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it is from scripture.

the law, also called mosaic law. also called the law of moses. when any of these terms are used. it speaks of the whole. not the part..

You said it's from the scripture yet you didn't show where in the scripture then you spoke in your own point of view again. Please show me where in the scripture says that.
 

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All I'm saying Zone is that in those days as it was from the beginning when God created the Earth, a day was from sunset to sunrise, and that is why if one believes the first day of the week to start on Sunday morning...the three days and three nights Jesus was in the grave do not work out. In the days of Jesus the Gregorian calendar was not followed..was it?
No, a day is from sunset to sunset...

Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

It takes a night period and a light period to make a full day...

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

etc.

The three days and three nights do work out, He was killed on the Passover (Wednesday, April 25, 31AD) and buried at sunset. He arose Satruday, April 28, 31AD, afternoon at sunset. His ascension was the next morning possibly around 9:00AM just as predicted by the Wave Sheaf Offering (Lev 23:9-14).
 
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You said it's from the scripture yet you didn't show where in the scripture then you spoke in your own point of view again. Please show me where in the scripture says that.
Can you show me where the law means anything other than the whole law as one? Would a jew look to the law as anything but the completed law? They did not separate it out. What makes us think we can or should?

THE LAW ; as it is said, includes all the laws given to moses. not just parts of it.
 
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All I'm saying Zone is that in those days as it was from the beginning when God created the Earth, a day was from sunset to sunrise, and that is why if one believes the first day of the week to start on Sunday morning...the three days and three nights Jesus was in the grave do not work out. In the days of Jesus the Gregorian calendar was not followed..was it?
Here is something from Johnathan Sarfati. I think this guy is brilliant when it comes to science. I disagree with some of his scripture interpretations (e.g. his heliocentric biased interpretations), but this article on 3 days and 3 nights made sense to me.

Easter and Good Friday: questions and answers

"Note that even His enemies understood that ‘after three days’ meant that they only had to secure the tomb ‘until the third day’. If three full 24-hour periods were meant, then they would want to secure the tomb until the fourth day to make sure. So for Jews, the phrases ‘on the third day’, ‘after the third day’, ‘until the third day’ and ‘three days and three nights’ were synonymous.We have to not only allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, but should allow for the understanding of the time period in which it was written. So, on what day was Jesus crucified? The best explanation is that Christ was buried before about 6pm Good Friday (Luke 23:54). Since the Jewish day started at sunset, the late afternoon of Good Friday was the first day; Friday sunset to Saturday sunset was the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] day; the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day began on Saturday at sunset, and Jesus had risen from the dead by early Sunday morning."
 
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No, a day is from sunset to sunset...

Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

It takes a night period and a light period to make a full day...

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

etc.

The three days and three nights do work out, He was killed on the Passover (Wednesday, April 25, 31AD) and buried at sunset. He arose Satruday, April 28, 31AD, afternoon at sunset. His ascension was the next morning possibly around 9:00AM just as predicted by the Wave Sheaf Offering (Lev 23:9-14).
It is strange that "the evening (sunset) and the morning (sunrise) " are counted as a day, but yes we do know it to be sunset to sunset. Regarding the three days Jesus was in the grave, I was referring to most Christians who believe He was crucified "Good" Friday and rose on "Easter" Sunday.
 
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chubbena

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I'm sure that the arguments on this thread will never be resolved. I've seen it before in a thread that had over one thousand posts. And the beat goes on. If there is a division in the ranks, then there is a division between the sheep and the goats. That scares me. I suppose that's the fear of the Lord.

Hebrews 4:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Psalm 95:7-11 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Put it together. All included.
The parable of wheat and tares comes to mind. And the wheat God's words. And the tares look like wheat but are not wheat. Overseeding is one way to fight tares which some are doing well and tares unable to answer. This will not end until the end. Do not be scared. Stand firm in the words of God. Through the challenge of tares, one may know wheat more.
 
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Graybeard

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Here is something from Johnathan Sarfati. I think this guy is brilliant when it comes to science. I disagree with some of his scripture interpretations (e.g. his heliocentric biased interpretations), but this article on 3 days and 3 nights made sense to me.

Easter and Good Friday: questions and answers

"Note that even His enemies understood that ‘after three days’ meant that they only had to secure the tomb ‘until the third day’. If three full 24-hour periods were meant, then they would want to secure the tomb until the fourth day to make sure. So for Jews, the phrases ‘on the third day’, ‘after the third day’, ‘until the third day’ and ‘three days and three nights’ were synonymous.We have to not only allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, but should allow for the understanding of the time period in which it was written. So, on what day was Jesus crucified? The best explanation is that Christ was buried before about 6pm Good Friday (Luke 23:54). Since the Jewish day started at sunset, the late afternoon of Good Friday was the first day; Friday sunset to Saturday sunset was the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] day; the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day began on Saturday at sunset, and Jesus had risen from the dead by early Sunday morning."
If that is the case how does one fit three nights into that?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If that is the case how does one fit three nights into that?
we could just look at scripture.

1. They wanted to take him off the cross and bury him because the sabbath was coming soon, Which means it had to be Friday before sunset.

2. he rose on the first day of the week (Sunday)





 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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If that is the case how does one fit three nights into that?
What he is saying is that the "3 days and 3 nights" is a figure of speech. It can mean 3 whole 24 hour days, or 1 whole day (in the middle), and 2 partial days. I quote again from the same article (bold formatting mine).

Easter and Good Friday: questions and answers

"Some readers argue that in Matthew 12:40, Christ said that he would be ‘three days and three nights’ in the tomb, so if Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose on Sunday, it couldn’t have been three full 24-hour periods. Thus, they say, the crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday or a Thursday.

However, as I covered in Refuting Compromise pp. 79–80, in Jewish counting, a part of a day was counted as a whole day (a figure of speech known as synecdoche). So while X days and X nights can mean what it means in English, this was only a subset of its semantic range in Jewish idiom. The Jewish Encyclopedia explains (as cited in the Tektonics Apologetics article on this topic):

‘In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.’

To demonstrate this, 1 Samuel 30:12 says, ‘he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and nights’, and this is equated in the next verse with hayyom shelosha (three days ago) , which could only mean the day before yesterday. Another example is 1 Kings 20:29 (NIV):

‘For seven days they camped opposite each other, and on the seventh day the battle was joined.’

So for Jews, the phrases ‘on the third day’, ‘after the third day’, ‘until the third day’ and ‘three days and three nights’ were synonymous.

In English counting, if they started fighting on the 7th day, it means they were only camping for six whole days. But in Jewish reckoning, the partial days are counted as wholes, so the text says they were camping for seven days. See also Genesis 42:17–18.

So the above shows that X days and X nights need not mean X 24-hour periods."