What Laws are still valid to christians

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chubbena

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Well lemme see, to be raised on the last part at exactly on the end of the third day would would be on the third day. To be raised after three days would indicate exactly three days elapsed and that the full three days elapsed and to be raised in three days would indicate no more than three days elapsed. So, when one puts it all together, it accurately describes exactly three days and nights, no more, no less.

So, is "twelve hours in the day" a figure of speech also?

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Christ here says there are welve hours of daylight and then there is night. Many twists and turns are made to deny the only sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
I'm interested in the 3 days issue also but isn't it off topic here and perhaps take it somewhere else. I'm just saying.
 
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KohenMatt So the God who wrote the Law was "under the old covenant" yet somehow says we shouldn't be "under the old covenant", yet He still tells us to follow the Law?

It trully pretty simple to sum up, take the ten commandments and look at Jesus commandments they are one in the same.

Old Testament:
Keep going. Show us how the 4th commandment is the same as Jesus' commandment(s).
I don't think Jesus needed to teach it because He lived and died by it. "Study to show yourself approved unto God."

There were 2 Sabbaths during the week Jesus was killed. He was buried just before the annual Sabbath, and resurrected right after the weekly Sabbath. The Sabbath days revolve around the finished work Jesus came to do for your sake, and you wan to deny it? WOW!
I refer to post #2103

 
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Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
And the word here for rest is Sabbatismos. When this is translated properly it reads...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott
Even my Oxford KJV has this rendering in the margin "a keeping of a Sabbath".
Oh look! A sabbath-keeper is trying to use Hebrews 4:9 out of context again to try to make it look like the letter of the 4th commandment is still binding on GOD's people. Sigh... I guess it's time for a really long post! LOL! :cool:

Hebrews 4:9 says:

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (KJV)

Consequently a sabbath rest remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (LEB)
A literal translation of this verse says:

Consequently, a keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people. Hebrews 4:9​

The Greek word translated rest and sabbath rest above is σαββατισμός (sabbatismos, G4520), which is a noun meaning a keeping of a sabbath. It can refer to a kept weekly sabbath (Exodus 20:8), a kept 7-year land sabbath (Leviticus 25:2), or a kept festival (appointed time) sabbath (Leviticus 25:32). Scriptural context determines the type of sabbath.

It is an unusual word that is used only one time in the NT (Hebrews 4:9), not at all in the Greek Septuagint (LXX), and very rarely in other ancient writings. The verb form of this word is σαββατίζω (sabbatizo), which means to keep a sabbath. It is not used in the New Testament, but is used in the LXX to refer to keeping all three types of sabbaths listed above (weekly, 7-year land, appointed time).

The context of chapters 3 and 4 in Hebrews is not a weekly sabbath, nor a 7-year land sabbath, but the sabbath rest of the land promised to Israel, which many under Moses were not able to enter into because of unbelief. The context of these chapters also centers around faith.

The most interesting usage of σαββατίζω (sabbatizo, to keep a sabbath) in the LXX is in Leviticus 23:32 where Israel is commanded yearly to keep the sabbath of the day of atonement. This appointed time was a sabbath of sabbaths (essentially a most holy sabbath), and was the holiest day of the year in which Israel's sins were removed for a year. The appointed time of Tabernacles began on the 15th day of the month, 5 days after the day of atonement, and was a time set apart for Israel to rest from their yearly labors. The first day of this festival was a sabbath, and the day following this festival was a sabbath; so it was bracketed by special sabbaths that were distinct from any weekly sabbaths that occurred during that time.

Genesis 7:11 states that Noah’s ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. This day falls within the 7-day festival of Tabernacles, which is the 7th festival (or appointed time) of YHWH. The number 7 always signifies rest from labor.

Additionally, the children of Israel were originally supposed to enter into rest in the promised land during the time of first ripe grapes. That harvest occurs in the fall of the year, as do the appointed times of the day of atonement and Tabernacles.

And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan ... Now the time was the time of the first ripe grapes. Numbers 13:17-20
In other words, GOD's original plan for their entering into rest corresponded with these appointed times in the fall.

However, they did not enter in under Moses because of unbelief, and subsequently wandered in the desert for 40 years. Afterwards they entered the promised land under Joshua just before Passover in the first month of the year. But they did not enter into the true rest that GOD has planned for his people from the foundation of the world, as indicated in Hebrews 4:8:

For if Joshua had caused them to rest, he would not have spoken about another day after these things. Hebrews 4:8

This change of entering the promised land (which symbolizes rest) from the appointed times in the 7th month to the appointed time of Passover in the first month signifies GOD's postponement of his people's true rest until Christ, our Passover, could accomplish and establish the more excellent way that would allow GOD's people to forever enter into their final rest in the (as of yet) unfulfilled appointed times of YHWH.

So, IMO, the future fulfillments of these appointed times (what he calls another day) are what the writer of Hebrews is referring to in Hebrew 4:8-9. The example of disobedient Israelites not entering into rest in the promised land through unbelief warns us to always strive through faith to enter into Christ's rest, that culminates in the keeping of the sabbath of the fulfilled day of atonement and subsequent festival of Tabernacles, when those who do believe fully enter into GOD's promised eternal rest.

So let us strive daily to enter into this keeping of a sabbath that is left for GOD's people when Christ returns to give them rest.

Come to me, all of you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke on you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28-29​
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Originally Posted by chubbena

You said it's from the scripture yet you didn't show where in the scripture then you spoke in your own point of view again. Please show me where in the scripture says that.



He just politely asked you to post a scripture reference. I'd like to see it also. Somehow I suddenly have deja vu. Have I seen this somewhere before?
Why would you need to see scripture?

The evidence needs to be shown by you as to where the word "law" would mean anything but the whole law.


The law includes civil, moral and cermonial laws. All given to Moses by God. That is what the LAW is. If someone is speaking about only certain parts of the LAW. they would specifically say, "moral law" or "Civil law" that fact that the word law is used, would show us, that the "Whole Law" is being spoken of.
 
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good Story, it is a confirmation that the law is truly the schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. As Christians, we should use that tool to add to the church as good stewards.

Galatians 3:24-29 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The passage says, it is a schoolmaster to lead US to Christ.

it does not say, Go teach the law. So you can lead them to Christ.

Been here done this

You teach law, you alienate people and cause them to be offended. you are the "judgmental" Christian. The hypocrite (since you yourself can not obey what you demand they need to obey)

That is why the churches are stagnant, They teach law, And become judgmental pushing people away. instead of being lights in the world and showing the love of Christ.


Jesus did not go to sinners preaching law/ he went to them and showed them his love and forgiveness.
 
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In Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council laid out the "ground rules" (so to speak) for the Gentile believers.

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Acts 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Acts 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Acts 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

The conclusion of the council:

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

There were only FOUR things required of the Gentiles:

1. Abstain from meats offered to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from things strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

The Gentiles are not bound by the Law of Moses...which included keeping the Sabbath. Those "in Christ" (Jews and Gentiles) are not bound by the Law of Moses. Christ fulfilled the Law and became its "curse" at Calvary:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 
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In Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council laid out the "ground rules" (so to speak) for the Gentile believers.

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Acts 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Acts 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Acts 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

The conclusion of the council:

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Acts 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

There were only FOUR things required of the Gentiles:

1. Abstain from meats offered to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from things strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

The Gentiles are not bound by the Law of Moses...which included keeping the Sabbath. Those "in Christ" (Jews and Gentiles) are not bound by the Law of Moses. Christ fulfilled the Law and became its "curse" at Calvary:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

amen. someone asked where the law means everything written. here you have it. all things written in the BOOK OF THE LAW..


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
 
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chubbena

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Why would you need to see scripture?

The evidence needs to be shown by you as to where the word "law" would mean anything but the whole law.


The law includes civil, moral and cermonial laws. All given to Moses by God. That is what the LAW is. If someone is speaking about only certain parts of the LAW. they would specifically say, "moral law" or "Civil law" that fact that the word law is used, would show us, that the "Whole Law" is being spoken of.
That's the crux of the matter that one couldn't recognize the different aspects of the law and get confused with the meaning in Paul's letter. Your ability to use Bible to support what you said is true is as good as me. Let's hear what your mentor Paul said before Felix: I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Well the fact is - Paul believe everything that agrees with the Law and he did reject certain part of the Law.
 
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Linda70

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Although the Mosaic Law had three aspects (civil, ceremonial, and moral), it functioned as an indivisible unit. Thus, to place oneself under one aspect of the Mosaic Law is to obligate oneself to be under the entire Law. James declared "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10). James was asserting that the breaking of only one part of the Mosaic Law made a person guilty of breaking the entire Law. The only way this could be true was if the Mosaic Law were an indivisible unit.

The fact that the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature has a strong implication concerning the relationship of the Christian to the Mosaic Law. The implication is that since the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature, the Christian who places himself under its moral aspect obligates himself to keep every aspect of the Law (the civil, ceremonial and moral). (Galatians 3:10)

Source: There Really Is A Difference: A Comparison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology by Renald E. Showers (excerpts from chapter 16, The Relationship of the Christian to Law and Grace)
 
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amen. someone asked where the law means everything written. here you have it. all things written in the BOOK OF THE LAW..


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
And that comes from:

Cursed is every man that continues not in all the words of this law to do them: and all the people shall say, So be it. Deuteronomy 27:26​
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That's the crux of the matter that one couldn't recognize the different aspects of the law and get confused with the meaning in Paul's letter. Your ability to use Bible to support what you said is true is as good as me. Let's hear what your mentor Paul said before Felix: I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Well the fact is - Paul believe everything that agrees with the Law and he did reject certain part of the Law.
Paul did not reject certain parts of the law. He stated that no part of the law could make us righteous. That if your going to try to be righteous by the law. Your forced to obey ALL ASPECTS of the law. You can;t just pick and chose which parts, and ignore the rest. You are indebted to follow it all to a T
 
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Paul did not reject certain parts of the law. He stated that no part of the law could make us righteous. That if your going to try to be righteous by the law. Your forced to obey ALL ASPECTS of the law. You can;t just pick and chose which parts, and ignore the rest. You are indebted to follow it all to a T
Amen Bro. EG!
 

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Oh look! A sabbath-keeper is trying to use Hebrews 4:9 out of context again to try to make it look like the letter of the 4th commandment is still binding on GOD's people. Sigh... I guess it's time for a really long post! LOL! :cool:

Hebrews 4:9 says:

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (KJV)

Consequently a sabbath rest remains for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 (LEB)

A literal translation of this verse says:

Consequently, a keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people. Hebrews 4:9​


The Greek word translated rest and sabbath rest above is σαββατισμός (sabbatismos, G4520), which is a noun meaning a keeping of a sabbath. It can refer to a kept weekly sabbath (Exodus 20:8), a kept 7-year land sabbath (Leviticus 25:2), or a kept festival (appointed time) sabbath (Leviticus 25:32). Scriptural context determines the type of sabbath.

It is an unusual word that is used only one time in the NT (Hebrews 4:9), not at all in the Greek Septuagint (LXX), and very rarely in other ancient writings. The verb form of this word is σαββατίζω (sabbatizo), which means to keep a sabbath. It is not used in the New Testament, but is used in the LXX to refer to keeping all three types of sabbaths listed above (weekly, 7-year land, appointed time).

The context of chapters 3 and 4 in Hebrews is not a weekly sabbath, nor a 7-year land sabbath, but the sabbath rest of the land promised to Israel, which many under Moses were not able to enter into because of unbelief. The context of these chapters also centers around faith.

The most interesting usage of σαββατίζω (sabbatizo, to keep a sabbath) in the LXX is in Leviticus 23:32 where Israel is commanded yearly to keep the sabbath of the day of atonement. This appointed time was a sabbath of sabbaths (essentially a most holy sabbath), and was the holiest day of the year in which Israel's sins were removed for a year. The appointed time of Tabernacles began on the 15th day of the month, 5 days after the day of atonement, and was a time set apart for Israel to rest from their yearly labors. The first day of this festival was a sabbath, and the day following this festival was a sabbath; so it was bracketed by special sabbaths that were distinct from any weekly sabbaths that occurred during that time.

Genesis 7:11 states that Noah’s ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. This day falls within the 7-day festival of Tabernacles, which is the 7th festival (or appointed time) of YHWH. The number 7 always signifies rest from labor.

Additionally, the children of Israel were originally supposed to enter into rest in the promised land during the time of first ripe grapes. That harvest occurs in the fall of the year, as do the appointed times of the day of atonement and Tabernacles.

And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan ... Now the time was the time of the first ripe grapes. Numbers 13:17-20

In other words, GOD's original plan for their entering into rest corresponded with these appointed times in the fall.

However, they did not enter in under Moses because of unbelief, and subsequently wandered in the desert for 40 years. Afterwards they entered the promised land under Joshua just before Passover in the first month of the year. But they did not enter into the true rest that GOD has planned for his people from the foundation of the world, as indicated in Hebrews 4:8:

For if Joshua had caused them to rest, he would not have spoken about another day after these things. Hebrews 4:8

This change of entering the promised land (which symbolizes rest) from the appointed times in the 7th month to the appointed time of Passover in the first month signifies GOD's postponement of his people's true rest until Christ, our Passover, could accomplish and establish the more excellent way that would allow GOD's people to forever enter into their final rest in the (as of yet) unfulfilled appointed times of YHWH.

So, IMO, the future fulfillments of these appointed times (what he calls another day) are what the writer of Hebrews is referring to in Hebrew 4:8-9. The example of disobedient Israelites not entering into rest in the promised land through unbelief warns us to always strive through faith to enter into Christ's rest, that culminates in the keeping of the sabbath of the fulfilled day of atonement and subsequent festival of Tabernacles, when those who do believe fully enter into GOD's promised eternal rest.

So let us strive daily to enter into this keeping of a sabbath that is left for GOD's people when Christ returns to give them rest.

Come to me, all of you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke on you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28-29​
What you didn't show was th words for rest in the other verses...

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κατάπαυσις
katapausis
kat-ap'-ow-sis
From G2664; reposing down, that is, (by Hebraism) abode: - rest.

And that verse 4 says this...

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Showing that the seventh day Sabbath (keeping the Sabbath) is a shadow...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Of the Millenium that hasn't come yet.

Nice surgery on this passage.
 
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Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Showing that the seventh day Sabbath (keeping the Sabbath) is a shadow...
Hebrews 4:4 doesn't say seventh day, but merely seventh, which is a symbol of completion and rest. The seventh day of creation and the rest of the promised land for the children of Israel are used as examples of the seventh in Hebrews 4:5-5.

The weekly sabbath isn't even mentioned in these verses.
 

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ofcourse not it's almost impossible for someone to sin after being born of God, that is why it is written those who are born of God overcometh the world and have a new nature, that new nature isn't bond by sin
Thank you and so do you believe you are made Holy by God through the Son, since you are born again, and not of self, for anytime "I" try "I" get in the way, therefore the new me, born again in the Spirit of God my old self flesh dead with Christ back at the cross of Christ, does not sin and can never sin? I mean how can one be troubled sin if one is dead to it?
Is that truth from God or a lie from God to those that believe that God has raised you to maturity and we have become ripe in Father.
In God's Spirit there is no sin, ever, since all sin is condemned to the flesh, and therefore we are to reckon ourselves dead to flesh yes, not law, and alive to the spirit of God, where we are made able to walk as Christ walked,
Is this for us or not?
to say to able to say no to sin by the power of God through the cross of Christ, yes or no?
Thanks josh for we all here are growing in the grace of God through the cross and learning as we go, not forcing anyone to drink the water, just displaying God's miraculous Love. And then it is God that gives the increase t each of us individually from the waterers and planters here, is this correct Brother?
 

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Law-cultists deceive themselves and others into thinking that Christ makes them strong to keep the law. I think that really forms the basis for their delusion.
There is a certain truth to it. I think that is why it gains a foothold. But it is a twisting of the truth.
 

Grandpa

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Hi, Grandpa,

Isn't the royal law, the law of love (Jas 2:8)?
Yes. I don't keep it perfectly. I don't love perfectly.

I have faith that the Lord Jesus forgives me of this fault.
 

john832

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Hebrews 4:4 doesn't say seventh day, but merely seventh, which is a symbol of completion and rest. The seventh day of creation and the rest of the promised land for the children of Israel are used as examples of the seventh in Hebrews 4:5-5.
Ya think? The seventh day Sabbath and the entry into the promised land (by a physical nation into a physical land) is a shadow of the Millenial rest to come as shown in Col 2:16-17, which is exactly why the Sabbath is kept today. Sunday worship hides this fact and does not point to the Millenial reign of Christ when all will be under the government of the King of Kings, Jesus Christ.


The weekly sabbath isn't even mentioned in these verses.
Sure it is, the word sabbatismos is the Sabbath rest that pictures the Millenium. What pray tell does Sabbatismos mean? Sunday worship?