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Natural selection = certain traits are expressed more frequently in a population due to the ability of that trait to increase survival of those organisms with that trait over those without it.
that doesn't conflict with my faith in God or the Bible. It is simply an observation of observable fact. God made animals with different traits/ genes and allowed them to adapt to their surroundings as a population so that as this fallen world increasingly degrades all animal and plant life does not go completely extinct all at once.
The only thing I disagree with is the idea that the world is getting increasingly more complex or "evolving" into something "better." As far as I can see I believe that the world is "devolving" and losing genetic diversity in the form of more and more animals becoming extinct and the gene pool of existing plants and animals becoming more and more narrow as we humans destroy habitats and continue to pollute, abuse and destroy our world.
God made the world perfect. The various "species" that have developed over time have not improved upon the design God had but caused more divisions and groups using the genetic code God already embedded those creatures with.
However, that being said theory of natural selection itself is not opposed to God or the Bible. Its only when people take it a few steps further and "infer" that those observable facts mean that animals are "evolving" from singled celled organisms into a higher order creature, that you run into some issues.
that doesn't conflict with my faith in God or the Bible. It is simply an observation of observable fact. God made animals with different traits/ genes and allowed them to adapt to their surroundings as a population so that as this fallen world increasingly degrades all animal and plant life does not go completely extinct all at once.
The only thing I disagree with is the idea that the world is getting increasingly more complex or "evolving" into something "better." As far as I can see I believe that the world is "devolving" and losing genetic diversity in the form of more and more animals becoming extinct and the gene pool of existing plants and animals becoming more and more narrow as we humans destroy habitats and continue to pollute, abuse and destroy our world.
God made the world perfect. The various "species" that have developed over time have not improved upon the design God had but caused more divisions and groups using the genetic code God already embedded those creatures with.
However, that being said theory of natural selection itself is not opposed to God or the Bible. Its only when people take it a few steps further and "infer" that those observable facts mean that animals are "evolving" from singled celled organisms into a higher order creature, that you run into some issues.
Is evolution wrong. Yes. Scientists have not yet proven the Evolution Theory... hence the term Theory behind it.
Don't get confused or anything. The Bible is pretty clear about it. In six days God created the Earth and its inhabitants...plants etc. On the seventh He rested. The truth remains the truth regardless of the lies people tell. Did you know that one plant cell is more complex than a space shuttle? Then I am not even talking about the entire leaf, nor even the tree let alone all the trees on this planet alone.
Don't get confused or anything. The Bible is pretty clear about it. In six days God created the Earth and its inhabitants...plants etc. On the seventh He rested. The truth remains the truth regardless of the lies people tell. Did you know that one plant cell is more complex than a space shuttle? Then I am not even talking about the entire leaf, nor even the tree let alone all the trees on this planet alone.
You're equivocating the definition of "theory": you mean it as definition 4. (synonymous with hypothesis) but scientists mean it in the sense of definition 5. (a scientifically acceptable general principle), as you can see by the examples after each definition. Or maybe you can see it more clearly here: you mean definition 2. but scientists are using definition 1.
You really ought to know better.
You really ought to know better.
Yes, because that breaches the first amendment... you can't have religious freedom if someone else's religion is being imposed on you. Would you be offended if a teacher discussed Allah and the Qur'an with your children as if they were the truth? It's the same principal, but with a different religion.
Evolution, however, is not a religious belief. It presupposes no deity, and it can coincide with religious belief... just not with fundamentalist belief -- you can't hold both a belief in evolution and a belief in the literal words of the bible, because they do contradict each other. But you can hold a liberal/moderate interpretation of the bible and believe in evolution, as many Christians do.
Evolution, however, is not a religious belief. It presupposes no deity, and it can coincide with religious belief... just not with fundamentalist belief -- you can't hold both a belief in evolution and a belief in the literal words of the bible, because they do contradict each other. But you can hold a liberal/moderate interpretation of the bible and believe in evolution, as many Christians do.
Answer: Homeschooling.
Like I read on one of the Creation websites: where do we read in the bible that the Israelites sent their kids to Philistine schools?
Like I read on one of the Creation websites: where do we read in the bible that the Israelites sent their kids to Philistine schools?
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I think there is some connection with what science knows and what God did. Because 1 day can be as a 1000 yrs science has what they think they know. We have witnessed animals adapting to their enviroment. This is Gods plan. We must have done some major changes. But God said he made "man" so we did not evolve frm apes.
I agree, it is SAD. AND the really sad part is the Judge's decision in the great monkey trial, was the BOTH Creation and Evolution could be taught in the schools. So we gave them an inch and they took a million miles.
Over the years, I outgrew my brainwashing from my High School Science theories. Especially after I was born again, and started studying the Bible. I remember a lot of the evolutionary theories that I was taught as SCIENCE FACTS by that teacher, and I have seen the Science Theories evolve, but NOTHING ELSE. In fact they are really good at reprinting text books that had bad scientific evidance in them and failing to mention those errors in the new books, thus maintaining the illusion that Science has been right all along.
Do you remember the original Gulf Desert war's Desert Storm NEWS on TV? Right during the News of all the anti-aircraft going off over Bagdad, they switched to 5 minutes of other news. About a one minute report at that time mentioned the telescope onboard that the deep space satellite was measuring star movement and it discovered that stars were not traveling outward from a central point, shattering the Big Bang Theory. The Scientist being interviewed when asked what that means, stated, "We are going to have to go back to the drawing board and rethink our entire Theory of Origins." I hoped, maybe now they will re-examine Creation. No Way, they come up with Spontainious Generation instead. In other words, it all happened by accident.
In all the evolutionary theories that I have heard of; I see the same fatal flaw in all of them. They start off with the assumption that the start of everything has to be at or near ZERO, leaving NO ROOM for any other starting point. For those of us who believe in Creation, the starting point is AT THE MOMENT GOD SPOKE IT INTO BEING.
The Father willed Creation, and the preincarnate Christ carried out the Will of the Father. Therefore, GOD created it not as something that had to evolve, but rather in its adult stage, just like he did Adam and Eve. Therefore there were ALREADY caves with adult stage stalactites in them, because HE wanted it that way. How can we prove that is HOW GOD creates? THAT IS EASY, Jesus gave us two examples of HOW HE creates in the feeding of the 5000 and the feeding of the 4000. He did not create single cell organisms and tell the crowds that they had to wait until they evolved. He just created more fish, and more fish, and more fish. AND ABSOLUTELY NO age dating method of modern day Science would have detected the correct age or origin of those fish right. For those who think that does not validate that is how He created "IN THE BEGINNING":
Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]"For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Colossians 1:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
One time we were touring the Oregon Caves, and the tour guide's lecture was, "We know this 20 foot stalactite is several millions of years old, because it started with one drop of water at the ceiling." I started to open my mouth and my wife grabbed my arm and said, "No you don't." All I was going to ask him was, "How do you know GOD did not create it 18' 9" long, and it has only grown 15" since it's starting point?" He went on to explain that they knew exactly how long it took those minerals in the water to harden into the rock-like state that we see it hanging there. I am sure this discovery blew big holes in that Scientific Theory also: The London Hammer - Historic Mysteries
Over the years, I outgrew my brainwashing from my High School Science theories. Especially after I was born again, and started studying the Bible. I remember a lot of the evolutionary theories that I was taught as SCIENCE FACTS by that teacher, and I have seen the Science Theories evolve, but NOTHING ELSE. In fact they are really good at reprinting text books that had bad scientific evidance in them and failing to mention those errors in the new books, thus maintaining the illusion that Science has been right all along.
Do you remember the original Gulf Desert war's Desert Storm NEWS on TV? Right during the News of all the anti-aircraft going off over Bagdad, they switched to 5 minutes of other news. About a one minute report at that time mentioned the telescope onboard that the deep space satellite was measuring star movement and it discovered that stars were not traveling outward from a central point, shattering the Big Bang Theory. The Scientist being interviewed when asked what that means, stated, "We are going to have to go back to the drawing board and rethink our entire Theory of Origins." I hoped, maybe now they will re-examine Creation. No Way, they come up with Spontainious Generation instead. In other words, it all happened by accident.
In all the evolutionary theories that I have heard of; I see the same fatal flaw in all of them. They start off with the assumption that the start of everything has to be at or near ZERO, leaving NO ROOM for any other starting point. For those of us who believe in Creation, the starting point is AT THE MOMENT GOD SPOKE IT INTO BEING.
The Father willed Creation, and the preincarnate Christ carried out the Will of the Father. Therefore, GOD created it not as something that had to evolve, but rather in its adult stage, just like he did Adam and Eve. Therefore there were ALREADY caves with adult stage stalactites in them, because HE wanted it that way. How can we prove that is HOW GOD creates? THAT IS EASY, Jesus gave us two examples of HOW HE creates in the feeding of the 5000 and the feeding of the 4000. He did not create single cell organisms and tell the crowds that they had to wait until they evolved. He just created more fish, and more fish, and more fish. AND ABSOLUTELY NO age dating method of modern day Science would have detected the correct age or origin of those fish right. For those who think that does not validate that is how He created "IN THE BEGINNING":
Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]"For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Colossians 1:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
One time we were touring the Oregon Caves, and the tour guide's lecture was, "We know this 20 foot stalactite is several millions of years old, because it started with one drop of water at the ceiling." I started to open my mouth and my wife grabbed my arm and said, "No you don't." All I was going to ask him was, "How do you know GOD did not create it 18' 9" long, and it has only grown 15" since it's starting point?" He went on to explain that they knew exactly how long it took those minerals in the water to harden into the rock-like state that we see it hanging there. I am sure this discovery blew big holes in that Scientific Theory also: The London Hammer - Historic Mysteries
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Lol. Even if you have a primary school education (i.e. ~year 7), I think that's sufficient to be able to know that evolution is false. These so-called scientists who preach evolution have clearly been educated beyond their intelligence (or perhaps, more likely, they continue to preach evolution because there will be significant financial cost to them were they to stop).
If a parent really struggles with something whilst homeschooling, God provides 2 parents, a mum and a dad. If both parents really struggle with teaching their children something, there are plenty of other homeschooling parents they can learn from. Why send your kids to a Philistine school to learn pagan fairy tales? How much more science will the children be able to learn, if their heads are not filled with evolutionary just-so tales (i.e. theories)?
If a parent really struggles with something whilst homeschooling, God provides 2 parents, a mum and a dad. If both parents really struggle with teaching their children something, there are plenty of other homeschooling parents they can learn from. Why send your kids to a Philistine school to learn pagan fairy tales? How much more science will the children be able to learn, if their heads are not filled with evolutionary just-so tales (i.e. theories)?
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I've been homeschooled my whole life, and it has been a real blessing
^_^ it doesn't JUST give a strong biblical foundation for us, but it also helps us academically. Many homeschoolers around here are greatly admired. In fact, secular colleges here actually LOOK FOR homeschoolers! Homeschoolers generally are a bunch of edifying, Christian thinkers in a secular world, and i think that it's awesome that we can learn so much with the Bible and with knowledge itself.
I think Ray Comfort put it correctly...
Micro-evolution and Macro-evolution are two very different things.
Natural selection is almost like a change of "species" From finch to finch....
but can evolutionists find ANY proof that a species changed to a different KIND?
like...a dog to a cat?
IS THERE ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER FOR THAT?
if the answer is no, then evolution is false...
This video is so clear....hahahahah!!!!
[video=youtube;U0u3-2CGOMQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ[/video]
^_^ it doesn't JUST give a strong biblical foundation for us, but it also helps us academically. Many homeschoolers around here are greatly admired. In fact, secular colleges here actually LOOK FOR homeschoolers! Homeschoolers generally are a bunch of edifying, Christian thinkers in a secular world, and i think that it's awesome that we can learn so much with the Bible and with knowledge itself.
I think Ray Comfort put it correctly...
Micro-evolution and Macro-evolution are two very different things.
Natural selection is almost like a change of "species" From finch to finch....
but can evolutionists find ANY proof that a species changed to a different KIND?
like...a dog to a cat?
IS THERE ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER FOR THAT?
if the answer is no, then evolution is false...
This video is so clear....hahahahah!!!!
[video=youtube;U0u3-2CGOMQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ[/video]
