The falling away

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eternally-gratefull

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PlainWord said:
I think we who know the truth and have the knowledge of God sealed on our foreheads are supposed to wreak havoc with Satan's lies. Consider this, God always prefers to do battle with a select small group of firm "faithful solders", those who remain true to His word.

The masses are easily deceived. The popular view is most often the wrong view. Paul warns emphatically to NOT be deceived concerning the day the Lord returns. There is a reason Paul warns us, and Christ warns us, because harm will come to those who do not heed the warning.

Satan has a lot invested in his Pre-Trib Rapture lie, actually any lie other than the truth. Satan is going to do whatever he can to feed the lie and deceive as many as possible. There are those who are just plain ignorant and have just blindly gone along with the lie because it was what their pastor taught. But there are those who actively work for Satan, who know the truth but are committed to the lie. We can never know who is who, but we can and should always stand up for truth and call out the lies.
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lol. Yep. lets continue to tell everyone who goes through tribulation and God will protect them so they will nto suffer.

There sure is going to be alot of angry people who wanted to trust God which will turn from him, all because people like you want them to think they will not suffer.

Even if pre-trib is not true. I know I will suffer, and will continue to trust God in my suffering, and attempt to persevere to the end.. But hey, If I become a martyre through my suffering, all praise to God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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just-me said:
Don't forget HRFTD.:D post # 153

God will take care of those who are truly seeking His will. The Holy Spirit will tell them, and lead them in the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that these people sure didn't avoid us, even though they are labeling us in the category mentioned.. Who is who? Good choice my friend. kick it.
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Yep. He will take care of them with truth.

But he never promised we would never suffer. In fact a person who comes to God will suffer. Its is a guarantee. we are in a spiritual battle. And satan hates us.

this easy feel good all your problems will go away gospel is not from God.

Paul did Gods will. he sure suffered alot. the difference is his mind was focused on the future, So he thought his suffering was just a light affliction.

People will not get this if they are tought they will not suffer.
 
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PlainWord

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I wonder why the Pre-Trib Rapture Lie Believers fight so hard for their doctrine? Does it really matter if Pre-Trib is true (which it isn't)? I mean if the Lord really does come and take His church to heaven before the Tribulation, he would take us that didn't believe too provided we are saved. Certainly there is no scripture that places a requirement to be eligible for the Rapture means you have to believe in it. If there was a rapture, there would be no need to Watch, we'd just go when the time came. There would be no need to warn us about the second coming if we are to be taken before it. Revelation would have no importance to us and neither would any of the Trib prophesies because we are supposed to be gone. Thus, there is no need to argue for the Pre-Trib position.

However, since Pre-Trib is false and the work of Satan, there is every reason to teach against it. First, both Christ and Paul warned us specifically against "going out early." Both warned there would be false prophets (which means teachers to us) before the Tribulation. We are to be on the look out for any teaching that is NOT found in the Bible!! One comes to mind. We are told Satan will be out to deceive and we know he likes to fool Christians. Here we are, on the brink of the Tribulation so where is the big deception that we are warned about that is supposed to take place before the Tribulation? Hmm...

Just curious why there "Rapturists" are trying so hard to convince people who don't believe as they do when there is nothing at stake for the belief.
 
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letti

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I don't know pre-trib is a comforting thought.I always wondered, why all the other saints had to suffer were they less devoted to Christ or what?In previous destructions, of the earth the flood of noah's time and ,lot how were the kept safe?Only Enoch and Elijah were taken alive.Warning after warning we are given about not being duped.
 
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letti

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Truth is in scripture plain to see,at least to me it is.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PlainWord said:
I wonder why the Pre-Trib Rapture Lie Believers fight so hard for their doctrine?
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Who is fighting for it. I am just exposing that scripture is not as clear cut against it as you say.

Does it really matter if Pre-Trib is true (which it isn't)?
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To me, it does not. but evidently to you and others it does (you could not even show any humility, You had to add the words it is not.. So who is fighting for their belief here? me or you?

I mean if the Lord really does come and take His church to heaven before the Tribulation, he would take us that didn't believe too provided we are saved.
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Yes he will. And if he does not come back, We who believe it will still be here.. As I said earlier!

Certainly there is no scripture that places a requirement to be eligible for the Rapture means you have to believe in it.
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If there was a rapture, there would be no need to Watch, we'd just go when the time came.
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Ahh, but if your in the church and not saved, and not have made a decision to recieve Christ, Which could be possible of any of pauls audience, You would have to watch, because if it comes, And your left behind, thats an awful lot to overcome.

There would be no need to warn us about the second coming if we are to be taken before it. Revelation would have no importance to us and neither would any of the Trib prophesies because we are supposed to be gone. Thus, there is no need to argue for the Pre-Trib position.
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Yep your right, All those left behind or who come after the trib have no need to understand whats going on. Or people who know. But did not make a decision to follow Christ, they do not need to know this. To "persevere to the end"

However, since Pre-Trib is false and the work of Satan,
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lol. You do not practice what you teach, Your a hypocrite. Did you not just say why should we fight to keep our belief, because it does not matter. Now you call it from satan.

Practice what you preach, then come back. maybe people will want to talk with you.
 
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letti

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So are the 1000 yr rest of the saints literally that or one day?2nd peter 3-8 one day is like a thousand years.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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letti said:
So are the 1000 yr rest of the saints literally that or one day?2nd peter 3-8 one day is like a thousand years.
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Saints have been resting for 2000 years now and longer (paul, abraham etc)

so not sure what your trying to say here.
 
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letti

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The saints killed before the second coming are said to rest 1000 yrs with christ before the war of magog and gog.2nd peter 3-8 one day is like a thousand yrs.So in earth's timeline it is only one day.
 
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letti

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I am asking if this is what other bibles say?I want to make sure I got it correctly?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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letti said:
The saints killed before the second coming are said to rest 1000 yrs with christ before the war of magog and gog.2nd peter 3-8 one day is like a thousand yrs.So in earth's timeline it is only one day.
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2 peter is explaining that things which seem long to us are not with Christ.

We should not use it to interpret things like this as this was not the context.

Also not sure where yu get the war with gog and magog is at the end of the 1000 years. never heard that before.

I have always heard this as one of the wars during tribulation. Not after.
 
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letti

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Rev chapter 20 verse 4 And I saw thae thrones,and they sat upon them and judgement was given unto them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,and which had not worshsipped the beast,neither his mark upon their foreheads,or in their hands;and they lived a reigned with Christ a 1000 yrs.skip to verse 7 when the thousand years are expired satan shall be loosed out of his prison.verse 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth Gog and Magog?Did that not say after?
 
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letti

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Why does it even mention when the 1000 yrs expire?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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letti said:
Rev chapter 20 verse 4 And I saw thae thrones,and they sat upon them and judgement was given unto them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,and which had not worshsipped the beast,neither his mark upon their foreheads,or in their hands;and they lived a reigned with Christ a 1000 yrs.skip to verse 7 when the thousand years are expired satan shall be loosed out of his prison.verse 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth Gog and Magog?Did that not say after?
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oh ok, Forgive me. I thought you were talking the OT war. My mistake

Read the verse again, It says the livEd and reigned with Christ 1000 years. they were not resting, they were living.
 
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letti

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Oh well,I know what it said God Bless I peacefully give up.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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letti said:
Why does it even mention when the 1000 yrs expire?
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It says at the end of the 1000 years.

John is just telling us a time and event, Like Daniel did when he said the messiah would come after 69 weeks. Then he would be cut off. The time period was literal. And jesus literally came at exactly that time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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letti said:
Oh well,I know what it said God Bless I peacefully give up.
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Aww, sorry, I am not trying to argue, Just trying to see what your saying..

You said they were sleeping for 1000 years did you not?
 
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