The falling away

[just-me]

Isaiah 59:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.


If something is falling away, then they had to be close to or attached to that which they are falling away from. In scripture it is clear, that the church is the closest to Christ Jesus and the Father than anything else. If one thinks it’s the way of the world, you have to consider that the world was never close enough to fall, because they’ve always been at the bottom. So the “falling away” pertains to the church only, if you can find logic in that. I can. So if the church is attached to the Word of God (the Bible), it must be related to falling away from the Word. How would, or could that ever happen?

Denying parts of scripture as no longer important, because of other Bible references seem to contradict previous scripture, and to deem some verses as higher in quality than others. When that happens, the church loses, or falls away from the truth. So one would have to say that the “falling away” is losing the truth.

Is it really happening? Are we laying the groundwork for the tribulation, because we have become apathetically numb to the whole truth? Do you agree, or do you disagree? Give examples of real instances that you have experienced if possible. I think the input will be revealing to those who are sincerely looking for the truth as it is today.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[reject-tech]

Denying parts of scripture as no longer important, because of other Bible references seem to contradict previous scripture, and to deem some verses as higher in quality than others.

Yes, but that's small beans to the falling away from brotherly love.

Is it really happening? Are we laying the groundwork for the tribulation, because we have become apathetically numb to the whole truth? Do you agree, or do you disagree?

Absolutely.

Give examples of real instances that you have experienced if possible.

If the poor had a nickel for every time the word "rapture" us used.

 

[just-me]

God’s Word to distort the Word. Deception to Christians comes in many forms, but it always has to come through scripture to distort scripture, otherwise it’s too obvious. Satan is stealthy. Bottom line: if the Word of God seems to contradict itself, study it, and pray for understanding until it doesn’t. Don’t allow any part of God’s Word to be less important than other parts, for it all is important for us; otherwise we wouldn’t have it at our disposal.

Matthew 24:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Behold, I have told you before.

If we believe we can defeat Satan without the Word of God we are wrong, for Jesus warded off his temptations by quoting the Word. So how do we know if we are being taught the right doctrine? For starters, always question anything that negates, or lessens certain parts of scripture that God has preserved for us. If some will say that certain parts of scripture are for other nationalities, and not yours, or if certain parts of scripture no longer apply, take note, for our adversary is laying the groundwork for deception.

 

[Hizikyah]

Wow this is hard htting real stuff that needs evaluation, great thread. And there is so much, but i will be brief...

If something is falling away, then they had to be close to or attached to that which they are falling away from. In scripture it is clear, that the church is the closest to Christ Jesus and the Father than anything else. If one thinks it’s the way of the world, you have to consider that the world was never close enough to fall, because they’ve always been at the bottom. So the “falling away” pertains to the church only, if you can find logic in that. I can. So if the church is attached to the Word of God (the Bible), it must be related to falling away from the Word. How would, or could that ever happen?

One key reason this is happening IMO is because of normalization of living in and accepting of sin.

What Yahweh calls His mark, which is the oppisite of the mark of the beast, most of the religious world calls a burden, a curse, and done away.

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Denying parts of scripture as no longer important, because of other Bible references seem to contradict previous scripture, and to deem some verses as higher in quality than others. When that happens, the church loses, or falls away from the truth. So one would have to say that the “falling away” is losing the truth.

Most dont even THROGHULY study their Scriptures and many let the theologians tell them what they mean.

Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."

Is it really happening? Are we laying the groundwork for the tribulation, because we have become apathetically numb to the whole truth? Do you agree, or do you disagree? Give examples of real instances that you have experienced if possible. I think the input will be revealing to those who are sincerely looking for the truth as it is today.

100% laying the groundwork for the tribulation:

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth alanguish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:8, " And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming."

the anti-Messiah is "Lawless." But the people of Yahweh are not Lawless.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Brother_Don]

Hi Brian and Sue, nice thread Brother, not much to say on it, looks like it's already been said.

 

[Hizikyah]

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[homwardbound]

straining out gnats, causes one to swallow a camel.
Looking for the needle in a haystack, we lose sight of the whole picture
Take a mirror and drop it on the ground, pick up one to five pieces ands be focused there, we lose sight of the whole mirror before it was broken up
The whole Bible was not originally in verses and chapters. Today it is and Cherry picking is preeminent, to lose sight of the whole
Bible is no more than this
B asic
I nstructions
B efore
L eaving
E arth

and Gospel
G od's
O nly
S on
p urpose
E ternal
L ife

This is what Christ came to give, eternal life in the Spirit of God
So Jesus Christ is:

J esus
E ternal
S avior
U nto
S alvation

C hrist
H as
R isen
I nsures
S alvation
T oday

Thanks for the post, let's ask Father to show each of us the whole picture, not the broken up one in pieces, where not all fir perfectly together as a whole.
Thanks

 

[JaumeJ]

That falling away will occur in part because certain false brethren will have chosen to not love the truth, therefore they will believe lies. It will not be a few.



2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2Th 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2Th 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Th 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[thecreationtutor]

We want to talk about falling away - Fall away from sin - pursue peace with all men, and holiness without which no one will see the Lord(Hb 12:13)

 

[just-me]

Hi Brian and Sue, nice thread Brother, not much to say on it, looks like it's already been said.

Hey man! Good to see ya!

As in my OP, I'm sure all of us have had experiences, detecting a falling away from the truth. I don't consider it as gossip, but to confess things in the reality of your life, I think that would help others who might not see the "falling away" caused by deception. From the OP "Give examples of real instances that you have experienced if possible." Do it in love, as to help others to see the truth by taking away the smoke screen that our adversary has invented.

 

[CRC]

Paul told Christian elders from Ephesus: “Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son. I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:28-30) In time, such apostates did arise and “speak twisted things.”
In about 65 C.E., the apostle urged Timothy to ‘handle the word of the truth aright.’ “But,” wrote Paul, “shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.” Apostasy had begun! “For all that,” added Paul, “the solid foundation of God stays standing.”—2 Timothy 2:15-19. For a fact the "falling away" had begun. But more was to come. It must come!!

 

[Least]

When parts of the bible are neglected and ignored, or simply written off as being "done away with," the very foundational teachings that Paul wrote about are being rejected.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

When we go on a road trip, it's not possible to start out at point A and jump to point D.

God's starting point for us begins in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning...."

When parts of the bible are rejected even the path is made crooked.

Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deuteronomy 32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Deuteronomy 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

Proverbs 2:11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
Proverbs 2:12 To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
Proverbs 2:13 Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
Proverbs 2:14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
Proverbs 2:15 Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:

 

[just-me]

Years ago, I was invited to teach the adult Sunday school class of a church of which I wasn’t a member. I was led to teach on faith, and it was very rewarding. The people and the leadership of the church even took up an offering for me, after preaching a revival, which I had to give back in the offering plate, because I didn’t feel worthy of receiving money for serving God. I sensed that there was a problem in this church, but I couldn’t define what it was. The theme of this revival was “cast your net on the right side of the boat, not the wrong side.”

John 21:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

Continuing to teach the adult class, as the weeks went by, I was stopped short when I started teaching about the schoolmaster, while continuing on the topic of faith. Not knowing it then, I was contradicting the doctrine of the church when I said,
“If the law led you to Christ, and then when you tell others that the law is eradicated, it is ludicrous. For to tell the unsaved that it’s negated, takes away the very tool God has given you to bring you to Christ.”
Continuing to explain this truth I asked “How then are the unsaved able to come to Christ the way you did?”

I thought it was a good question, but the leadership of the church escorted me out after they said I was causing confusion. I have since determined that there was confusion in this church before I was invited to teach, and the net continues to be thrown out on the wrong side of the boat.

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[just-me]

When parts of the bible are neglected and ignored, or simply written off as being "done away with," the very foundational teachings that Paul wrote about are being rejected.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

When we go on a road trip, it's not possible to start out at point A and jump to point D.

God's starting point for us begins in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning...."

When parts of the bible are rejected even the path is made crooked.

Well said sis

2 Timothy 2:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Continuing to teach the adult class, as the weeks went by, I was stopped short when I started teaching about the schoolmaster, while continuing on the topic of faith. Not knowing it then, I was contradicting the doctrine of the church when I said,
“If the law led you to Christ, and then when you tell others that the law is eradicated, it is ludicrous. For to tell the unsaved that it’s negated, takes away the very tool God has given you to bring you to Christ.”
Continuing to explain this truth I asked “How then are the unsaved able to come to Christ the way you did?”

I thought it was a good question, but the leadership of the church escorted me out after they said I was causing confusion. I have since determined that there was confusion in this church before I was invited to teach, and the net continues to be thrown out on the wrong side of the boat.

They did exactly what they should have done. You do teach confusion.

 

[just-me]

[h=2]: The falling away[/h]

Originally Posted by just-me

Continuing to teach the adult class, as the weeks went by, I was stopped short when I started teaching about the schoolmaster, while continuing on the topic of faith. Not knowing it then, I was contradicting the doctrine of the church when I said,
“If the law led you to Christ, and then when you tell others that the law is eradicated, it is ludicrous. For to tell the unsaved that it’s negated, takes away the very tool God has given you to bring you to Christ.”
Continuing to explain this truth I asked “How then are the unsaved able to come to Christ the way you did?”

I thought it was a good question, but the leadership of the church escorted me out after they said I was causing confusion. I have since determined that there was confusion in this church before I was invited to teach, and the net continues to be thrown out on the wrong side of the boat.



​

They did exactly what they should have done. You do teach confusion.

This is the falling away exposed in it's true form. Thank you for the clarity. Hope God blesses you some day with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I reckon it's time to chose this day whom your going to serve everyone. Are we going to let it ride, and contribute to the "falling away," or are we going to fight it as believers in Christ. Put on the armor. Your choice.

 

[just-me]

There are some people that literally hate certain parts of scripture, because of its conviction, and exposure of deception. These people act like they hate the believers that esteem these hated scriptures as blessed and true. They rail accusations of self-righteousness by works, and deny the strength of God’s Word by saying it was weak instead of the flesh and carnal nature being weak. Mark these people, for they cause division among the elect. Hopefully, those who are truly God’s children through Christ, will be conquerors, by not contributing to the contention caused by those who oppose themselves, so that their accusations have no effect and the edification between true believers will flourish.

2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Acts 18:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Titus 3:9-11 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

It used to be the Law that Jews had problems with, surmounted by a faith in Christ Jesus by His grace and not works. It is still the law that causes problems because the Gentiles are not rejecting it because of their faith. ?????? Take your time to figure this one out. The tables have turned 180 degrees.

Today, If we don’t reject it, what we believe is hated. During Paul’s day if people didn’t accept it, their beliefs were hated. God didn’t shift gears, Satan did. The thing that hasn’t changed is that claiming righteousness by works without faith is vanity.

 

[Josh321]

Isaiah 59:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.


If something is falling away, then they had to be close to or attached to that which they are falling away from. In scripture it is clear, that the church is the closest to Christ Jesus and the Father than anything else. If one thinks it’s the way of the world, you have to consider that the world was never close enough to fall, because they’ve always been at the bottom. So the “falling away” pertains to the church only, if you can find logic in that. I can. So if the church is attached to the Word of God (the Bible), it must be related to falling away from the Word. How would, or could that ever happen?

Denying parts of scripture as no longer important, because of other Bible references seem to contradict previous scripture, and to deem some verses as higher in quality than others. When that happens, the church loses, or falls away from the truth. So one would have to say that the “falling away” is losing the truth.

Is it really happening? Are we laying the groundwork for the tribulation, because we have become apathetically numb to the whole truth? Do you agree, or do you disagree? Give examples of real instances that you have experienced if possible. I think the input will be revealing to those who are sincerely looking for the truth as it is today.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

we are seeing this now, the church of the world has put Christ out of the church and doing their own there prophecy being fulfilled

 

[crossnote]

There always is this angle... 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[just-me]

There always is this angle... 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Good scripture my friend. I would like to add to John's scripture that you posted.

1 John 2:18-22 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

If one says they trust Jesus, then they have to trust God the Father in all things also. Thank you.